Change My Mind

While I agree on the principle of what you're saying, it should be noted that climatology, and pathology/virology/immunology are different fields of science that gender psychology. But of course, that's if they actually studied it, which they haven't. By saying "You're born physically either a male or female." they're claiming that this inarguable fact "Science." Which is laughable.

In other news...

Hey! The sky is blue today. I'm a PhD in climatology now. /s

I know. I simplified it some. But still, you can’t be calling the work scientists do ‘dumb and useless’ and then, when someone doesn’t fully identify as our assigned gender at birth, claim ‘but science’.

(See psychology)

That's why I think it's important to distinguish between male/female and man/woman.

Indeed (see psychology) just as it is important to identify them by their preferred pronouns.

As an independent I say I listen to science on both issues lol

Certainly. However, if the people shouting "but science" at trans people are willing to look more into the science, it actually supports a much more complex view of gender than they're willing to tolerate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7415463/

Science is science. If trans people have common mental conditions, I believe it is due to the environment they've been raised in. An example being:

If a child was raised in the early 20th century, when "pride" wasn't a thing to celebrate, they'd likely be straight because they knew that they were supposed to be that way and were born that way.

If a child was raised in the early 21st century, they might think pride was a thing to celebrate and as a result become confused, thinking gender wasn't something one was born with and had no correlation with what they were supposed to be.

You see the issue I have here? I think it's more toward how somebody is raised rather than something in their brain that's different.

I'm sorry, but your second paragraph is one of the most simplemindedly ignorant things I've ever read.

In the 20th century, one wasn't allowed to celebrate their "pride" due to hate crimes. Your logic doesn't really follow. In the 21st century, "Pride" is more widely accepted, so more people are coming out of "hiding." As more protections are being raised.

Actually, lots of people born in the early 20th century knew they were gay. And for thousands of years cultures across the globe have had places for people who were not binary gendered.

On 600 years of Thai "ladyboys"

https://theculturetrip.com/asia/thailand/articles/a-brief-history-of-thailands-transgender-community/

The traditional 3rd gender in Oaxaca:

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20181125-the-third-gender-of-southern-mexico

The priests of the West Asian goddess Cybele, and . . . (from Wikipedia)

"In cultures with a third or fourth gender, these genders may represent very different things. To Native Hawaiians and Tahitians, Māhū is an intermediate state between man and woman, or a "person of indeterminate gender".[4][better source needed] Some traditional Diné Native Americans of the Southwestern US acknowledge a spectrum of four genders: feminine woman, masculine woman, feminine man, and masculine man.[5] The term "third gender" has also been used to describe the hijras of India[6] who have gained legal identity, fa'afafine of Polynesia, and sworn virgins.[7] A culture recognizing a third gender does not in itself mean that they were valued by that culture, and often is the result of explicit devaluation of women in that culture.[8]"

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Bottom line: gender variance is not a new or exclusively "woke" concept. It's traditional, appears all over the globe, and has some fascinating scientific underpinnings.

That is some magical logic here. For kicks, what is the science behind someone being transsexual? Not "intersex" or "gender dysphoria", but the common terms used by people.

I would consult a neurologist or psychologist, not a gynecologist or urologist.

Your language is ambiguous and dismisses accepted terminology in gender studies and psychology. Hate to tell you, but we don't define people on your terms.

I was wonder who was defining people. Who, besides yourself is included in "we"? And who are the folks who decide what terms and studies are "accepted"?

I'll take Gender Psychologists for 2000, Alex.