••• SIMPLE RULES TO LIVE BY — VOTE LIBERTARIAN ALLIANCE •••

My religion says you can't murder

Do you need a book to tell you that, or do you just kind of know it off the top?

Did the Auschwitz guards kind of know it off the top? Or did they need a book to tell them that?

I’m not asking them, I’m asking you.

What's the difference? We're all capable of the same evil under the right circumstances. So what difference does it make if you're asking me or the Auschwitz guard? We're all made of the same stuff.

Yes, we’re made of the same stuff. But he lived in a society that was profoundly dysfunctional, and you and I don’t. Under the right conditions, we’re all capable of atrocities. How do we prevent those conditions from arising? That’s the question.

I thought your point was that we didn't need a book to tell us? That we just intrinsically understood it, and therefore, would never commit such acts?

Not that we’d never commit those acts, but that something other than a book is telling us not to. And if that something is lost, a book won’t save us.

Have you considered that people lose that BECAUSE they don't follow the Bible?

Germany in the 1930s was no more or less Christian than France, Britain, or the other European countries. The Catholic Church as a whole was institutionally complicit with the fascist regimes of Germany and Italy, though some individual Catholics resisted. Same for the Protestant churches in Germany and Italy. They provided no serious organized political resistance.

Germany in the year 2021 is way more secular than it was 80-90 years ago, yet it’s in little danger of being taken over by the few Neo-Nazis who are still kicking around.

We have to figure out why societies can be taken over by Nazis in spite of their religiosity.

Maybe they should've been willing to force their religious morals on people.

Germany doesn't have crippling debt and absurdly crazy inflation now

Cause a lot of people don't want to "impose their religion" on others

Who invented morality? Fish turn into monkey? Or God? 😉😉

late to the party but here’s my two cents:

As a Christian, I believe we all have a sort of basic principles built into us from God. Don’t steal, don’t murder, whatever. For, reasons, we tend to break these principles. However, if you should do something and if you can do something are very different. On the topic of homosexuality, regardless of if you think that that is part of the basic principles that are actively being ignored, you are not directly harming anyone for simply being attracted to the same sex. In the case of murder or stealing, you are directly effecting some one else. And in the case that it’s two consenting adults, I don’t care what you think is an abomination, i don’t trust the government to enforce the word of God.

And that, kids, is how degeneracy spreads. Being apathetic to other people’s actions. Letting people become prostitutes or pedophile-furries cuz “muh freedom” also doesn’t get you into heaven. So in a few years when they ask me, “Who radicalized you” I can look at em and say “you did”

I dunno man, are you sure that letting kids become porn addicts at 11 isn't actually a good thing, cause like, it's their freedom to make the choice right?

Might as well let them get the chop chop too 🤷🏻‍♂️

And if they want to be Voldemort they can lose the nose too

I wouldn’t be surprised if some kid does it 🙄🙄🙄

well, that’s where it becomes the parents job to parent...

I agree. It's very VERY difficult though in this day and age with the stuff being so accessible.
So, we'll see if it's still gonna be an issue by the time I'm a parent of kids that age (probably gonna be worse). I am no mere mortal parent however.

that’s very true too, but there are things in place that can restrict searching certain things on the interwebz that you can place an your child’s device. and i think, with time, that’s only gonna get better and more secure. So i don’t know if i agree that it’s gonna get worse. in fact, i think the internet might get better in that respect, with things like coppa popping up, restricting internet freedom.

for the same reason people don’t want curse words banned on youtube because parents don’t like that. It’s not the content creators job to baby sit your kid.

Lewis0428 is who you're referencing

Well, actually, I'm referencing most kids
https://youthfirstinc.org/pornography-viewing-starts-as-early-as-elementary-school/

Although I guess it's technically a hyperbole to say that they're all addicts

Oh ok

Nice Lewis reference

plenty of kids really, it's sad

Ikr. I say we ban it all together. People can do what they want… but its only a few clicks away from anyone…They don't even ask if you're 18 anymore

Exactly! I made a thing in the think tank about that recently imgflip.com/i/5qlrky

That leads to a living hell😳

yeah

😳

Leviticus 19:19 — discuss

To avoid going in-depth about the role of the Law in Christianity

Romans 1:27
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves due penalty for their error.

Hebrews chapter 8

The High Priest of a New Covenant

8 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.

3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a] 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[b]:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[c]

13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Okay. So, what’s “obsolete and outdated”? The entire Old Testament?

Well see, that's where it's complicated, but you wanted to go there

So, there's laws like those about circumcision, and in 1 Cor. 7:19 (among other places) Paul writes that it is of no value.
Acts 10:9-16
Peter’s Vision
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

So we know that laws like don't eat pig are also irrelevant now.
Laws like these were laws meant to set apart the Israelites from the other nations (such as the ones about not sowing 2 kinds of seed in the same field or wearing garments of 2 kinds of material), and as we are not Jews that exist under the old covenant, those laws don't apply to us.

Hebrews 9:11-14
Christ Is the Perfect Sacrifice
11 So Christ has now become the High Priest over all the good things that have come.[a] He has entered that greater, more perfect Tabernacle in heaven, which was not made by human hands and is not part of this created world. 12 With his own blood—not the blood of goats and calves—he entered the Most Holy Place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.

13 Under the old system, the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer could cleanse people’s bodies from ceremonial impurity. 14 Just think how much more the blood of Christ will purify our consciences from sinful deeds[b] so that we can worship the living God. For by the power of the eternal Spirit, Christ offered himself to God as a perfect sacrifice for our sins.

So the laws regarding sacrifices no longer need to be followed, because Christ fulfilled the Law. He was the perfect sacrifice.

And then of course there's the moral law

Again, in 1 Corinthians 7:19 "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts."

So we are to keep God's commands, though we no longer have to offer sacrifices (or stone people to death) because Christ paid that debt for us. And we aren't the nation of Israel, and don't have to follow the rules that set Israel apart, as shown in those other verses I sent.

I think that about covers it.