It's a plague that destroys mind and soul, and I believe it should be completely banned.

Porn is a horrible thing that can destroy a person. The people involved, the people watching...No, no it shouldn't.

The act itself will not end, people will seek it regardless. this is something that a person must fight against for their own humanity. but i'm very much a libertarian in the matter. I don't think banning it will save a life. understanding the depravity of such a thing and teaching how bad it is to a younger generation is the only way to get out of it. banning won't do much, again my opinion. If i was in a state that had banned it, i would be fine though, it would be good, but when you set a line that line will always want to be reset by another generation that doesn't understand the bad it will cause.

Just because a line might be reset in another generation, I don't think that means we shouldn't set it now.
And obviously, ideally, we would be able to teach younger generations how bad it is, but for the most part we seem to be doing a pretty awful job at it right now.
And I really don't think banning would be able to stop it in it's entirety, but it would make it highly inaccessible for the general population, and even if a few people can still get their hands on it, that's better than if everyone has practically limitless access to it.

We should get FDA commercials for porn, lol. (like the ones we have for vapes and cigarettes)

I hate those vaping ads......
but I'm sure it would help, or it could just get banned :)

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That's a good idea

I'm tracking your points. trying to decrease access might help but you might also be creating a problem. Sex/Masterbation are still a thing without porn, but people can have weak moments. With big brother now more intrusive than ever, will only create criminals. We are in a society as well that glorifies it, we once use to look down on it, which would help pursuade the masses to not want to show it, which also helped limit the masses without penalizing the weak. that is what i mean by drawing the line, but that line again will be moved as other media's will push it. Allowing a rapper to twerk on the devils d*** on YouTube very much helps blur that line. even some scenes on the Simpsons, might help push the line. if you want freedom, you have to deal with the consequences i get that, and people will argue, which they do have a point, on freedom of expression. you outright ban it, and the law might be interpretted the wrong way by some uptight judge. next thing you know, some repressed  Karen is walking down the street, watching two passionate lovers macking and now we've taken it to the supreme court. 

For me i had an addiction to it and it sucked. i'll be honest, f*** me up for a few years, but i'm out of it. Won't discuss how it started but regular media doesn't help and with lack of leadership in the house, i didn't understand its harm.

Yeah the way we are headed with the lack of leadership in the household, we can't get the next generation of children to hold onto good values. as for me and my house all i can do is teach the kids right from wrong, and all it entails. The reason its right and wrong because of how it will change you. It starts in the households, just like anything else.

Porn harms a lot of people, but you have to let people be free to choose. As long as the people in the porn are consenting adults, it is unwise to let the government ban it.

all to say, i am not against you on this point. i understand the need for banning it. again, i would be fine living in a state that had it, but i can see the bad in it too. Morally from what is right and wrong in porn alone, i'd say ban it, but the nationalist side of me says no don't. even though it would probably only make this nation a better freaking country, but i would hope that would come more organically. Without porn things would be a better place for our bodies, minds and souls. maybe we would have a lot less Beta's.

regardless, i could talk hours about this topic, great topic!!

That's true, it really all does start in the household.

And I do understand the freedom aspect of it too. Letting the government choose to censor stuff can be a very slippery slope, and I get what you mean by the choice being an important aspect of it. I just look at it the same as public nudity being illegal.

Yeah, I could talk for awhile on it too XD
We seem to be on the same page for its affects though, so it'd basically be an echo chamber lol

just remember to practice what you preach. if you're anti regulation when it comes to capitalism, you should also be anti regulation when it comes to sex.

unless you want to drive men to rape, which is what banning porn and masturbation does in other countries.

most people aren't addicted to masturbation or porn. but psychedelic drugs can rewire the brain to be more open and less obsessive.

and it will only drive up bad marriages and abortion. so let people be free.

self control is something conservatives obviously lack if they want to ban porn.

This is not a political meme, no need to attack another group. You've been warned. Take the trolling to another stream please. I've willing to allow you to participate in discussions here if you follow stream rules. Thanks.

ok, lets take the politics out of it, we know who is and who isn't asking for this legislation.

let's focus on self control and the lack of it.

no i dont think so

Why not?

as long as its nothing associated with children i think its fine

the government mandating what we can and can’t watch is a slippery, slippery slope. I’d rather we just educate people on it, and how it’s not a good thing, rather than having the government intervening.

Should the government regulate public nudity?

okay, i don’t have an opinion on that rn, but let’s say the government should (regulate public nudity). How does that compare to p*rn? if someone is publicly exposing themselves, you cannot ignore that, because well, they’re in the public. however, if you wanted, you would never have to see p*rn in your life if you just avoided the specific sites.

Granted, it's not the same thing exactly, but it runs along the same lines I think.

people have brought up great points with human trafficking, and to be honest i don’t really have the exact solution either, but i do not believe that making p*rn entirely illegal will solve that problem.

Well no, it wouldn't possibly solve the entire problem, but it'd do a lot more than doing nothing

if you want to stop human trafficking, legalize and regulate prostitution so it's not driven underground. same with drugs.

unless this is a personal battle being projected onto others....

No. Two reasons. First of all, as long as it is completely consensual and there is no abuse involved, there is no reason to keep it illegal. It's important to keep freedoms when they bring about more good than harm. The second reason? They bring about more good than harm. Don't get me wrong, to people who haven't had sex before, it can definitely create false ideas about sex, but as long as you don't have an addiction, it could (correlation isn't causation) actually be good for you

So, I don't think it should be as freely available as it is now, and I think that creation should be a lot more ethical than it is with massive corporations like p***hub, but it should be kept legal. Controversial opinion in this stream, I know.

Also, maybe post this on Think_Tanks_after_dark, or whatever it's called

I agree that freedoms ought to be protected, but it really does a whole lot more harm than good, especially in young people (I think the average age people get hooked now is 12? I could be wrong on that, but it's really low)

I definitely think that its high availability is the big issue. You don't see nearly as many people addicted to drugs as you do porn, because it's a whole lot easier to get porn than drugs.

Noted, thanks!

Feel free to engage with him or not, he likes to come and troll this stream but he's been warned and a ban is incoming if he doesn't follow stream rules.

lol, I didn't see the comment till you said something, blocked him awhile back XD

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if teens use porn for masturbation, what's the harm? if they use it to decide what sex between 2 people is, that indicates they should be actually having sex and not limiting themselves to porn/masturbation. there is nothing wrong with sex. practiced safely with birth control and condoms to stop diseases is better than rotting away in a porn bubble with no accurate concepts of human interaction.

I think that in it's current state, yes, it should be illegal. There are just too many issues with the industry. Human trafficking, abuse, drugs, scams, etc.

Now, were it to be regulated, it would be a different story. If all of it was consentual, the parts that show acts that can actually hurt people removed(not entirely sure what I mean by this), disclaimers about the films such as emphasis on the use of condoms/birth control, and an end to all of the terrible practices that are used to screw people out of their money and such, I would have no problem with it.

But I am thoroughly disgusted by some of the practices that are used in the present day.

I find that the stuff put out by big corporations, i.e. p*hub, has much more scum behind it than the bit that Janet and her boyfriend down the street did for fun and a little change.

That's my take on it

human trafficking is stopped by legalizing and regulating prostitution, not criminalizing porn.

I agree. The problem is politicians. They are the ones who make laws on these things are much more likely to back am anti-porn bill than one that promotes prostitution (even regulated) as most of the people in the country view prostitution as a s**tty and indecent thing. This makes it a risky move to back it for fear of losing voters in the next election. So while I agree with you, because our legislative system is f**ked, if wild be hard to stop human trafficking the correct way.

it's the stupidity of the populace they must cater to.

Exactly, it's so dumb.

careful, kate will say you're calling people dumb :)

I definitely agree with at least regulating all the scum behind it, but I also know it has a really bad effect on the people who watch it too, which is why I think it ought to be banned.

At the very least it should not be encouraged as it is, a multibillion dollar industry that preys on women, men, and children all over the world. I don't think it's possible to illegalize it and nearly impossible to enforce restrictions due to it being so prevalent on the internet especially. Education would be the best way to make people aware of the damage it causes.

I think it'd take some work, and we're definitely not there yet, but I think it's possible to illegalize it. Restrictions could be tough, but no harm in trying right?
But yeah, for now, the best thing we can do is education about its harm, and for parents to do their best to protect their kids from it.

parents should also encourage kids to practice safe sex IF they are going to connect on a physical level so they won't grow up thinking sex is bad or porn and masturbation is all there is and not know how to have sex when they are older.

then legalize and regulate prostitution if you really want to stop human trafficking and reduce the dependence on porn and masturbation or even getting into bad marriages.

Not banned, but heavily regulated, and people should be taught properly about these things so that they know about it

People definitely require a lot more education about its negative affects

yes