Get in line and start spreading the ne-- virus. Get vaxxed and spread it today!

How exactly does a vaccine spread COVID?
I understand the delta part…

People are getting the vaccine - and spreading covid. Vaccines typically contain some form of the bacterium or virus they are designed to help fight.

But - typically people with vaccines don't spread the disease. But oddly covid vaccine recipients are. It's a small amount of vaccinated folks - but it's happening.

Ok, thx

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I've got an entire cruise ship worth of science where everyone was vaccinated - but Covid went nuts. I'm pretty sure an entire cruise ship - could kick a videos butt any time in a death match.

And I quote from USA Today: "On the ship, 99.98% of crew members are vaccinated, and 96.5% of passengers are vaccinated, the tourism board said, noting that all of the people who tested positive are vaccinated. Most are asymptomatic, and a few have mild symptoms."

Everyone that had it on the cruise.... Was vaccinated.

Vacinehesitanttrumpsfaultchildrenmaskfollowscience. Does thatale sense? Of course it does!

I'm Joe Biden and I'm gonna beat Joe Biden

Make sense... Weird typo.... But hey it sounds like Joe he slurs his words 😂

"Most are asymptomatic, and a few have mild symptoms."

Exactly! The vaccine meant the ones with symptoms only had mild ones. The vaccine prepared their immune systems to handle it.

Do you not understand how vaccines work?

It's still stupid that they were on a cruise ship.

Yes - cruises, beaches, sporting events... People involving themselves willingly in that are dumb.

However..... Vaccines are also supposed to keep you from spreading said disease. You don't see a bunch of chicken pox vaccinated kids giving other people chicken pox do you? No. You don't see people who get their flu shot being super spreaders and getting other people sick do you? No. You don't see elderly getting the shingles vaccine - spreading shingles do you? Ooooop... Nope again.

How's about Measles or Mumps? Oh that's right - people with those vaccines aren't spreading them.

So why is it there are so many people with vaccines to Covid spreading covid? It's either because A: they don't work as well as advertised - B: ____________ ?

It's because they don't work as well as advertised, or it points to an even deadlier creation in the China labs - purposefully as a weapon. Weird how new variants keep popping up, almost as if it's designed to mutate.

"Weird how new variants keep popping up, almost as if it's designed to mutate."

Mutations are an aspect of evolution, not design.

When you take a super cell virus - harvest and grow it - you can take the most volatile strains - keep breeding and harvesting them and do what would take the natural cycle of that virus to get that deadly - and increase its evolutionary path 10 fold. Do you not understand how biological warfare works?

Not when the virus is engineered in a lab. Nice try though!

The virus wasn't engineered in a lab.
Nice try though!

Because China is always so forthcoming about their experiments in viruses right?! Oh that's right - they have a history of lying about viruses. Because they willingly offered their information at the beginning of COVID right? Oh wait... They didn't do that either - the purposefully withheld vital data about covid from humanity.

Weird ... Remember when SARS hit the scene and there were some people out there saying it was a China based flu? Everyone got on those people too about it... Even called people Asia-phobes. I remember.

Then some years later - oddly enough, it turned out the China lied about the whole thing? That they did withhold information about the virus?

From Nature.com's own mouth... Notice how China is requesting that other countries be probed... Weird. Why they deflecting so hard?

"Australia, the European Union and Japan have also called for a robust investigation into SARS-CoV-2’s origins in China. The WHO has yet to reveal the next phase of its investigation. But China has asked that the probe examine other countries. Such reticence, and the fact that China has withheld information in the past, has fuelled suspicions of a ‘lab leak’. For instance, Chinese government officials suppressed crucial public-health data at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, and during the 2002–04 severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) epidemic, according to high-level reports"

It was - you would know if you see right now - but I understand your situation, hard to see with your head up your rear quarters.

Viruses mutate. In lab or not.

But viruses take years and years and decades of no one doing things with them untouched to mutate as fast as this virus is. Which means.... It was engineered. In a lab. In China.

Lol tell that to the flu, champ.

Yes - the flu was not made in a lab. COVID was however - engineered in a lab to which we have tons more viral strains and off shoots. They took a natural virus - harvested the most deadly strains, grew more of those in a controlled environment, then harvested the most deadly strains, grew more of them in a controlled environment, then harvested the deadliest strains, grew more of those... And keep going 100 more levels of doing that.

By doing that - you have engineered the virus.

Are you that thick you can't understand how that works? Or are you just trolling.

The flu has been mutating since the first century.

And yet it wasn’t made in a lab.

This one mutated in a lab - by scientists using scientific methods and tools and scientists doing science stuff. I never said it originated in a lab. I said it was engineered in a lab.

So you're not providing anything here - other than deflection to the truth - which is it was engineered in a lab.

Yes clearly it was made in a lab. Because you said so.

Call me crazy for needing a better source.

It was clearly engineered/designed in a lab because it's about 300 years ahead of it's natural evolution....

Viruses have a pretty standard rate of mutations and evolution that can be measured. It's not exact but pretty measurable and observable. COVID 19 and it's variants and mutations since it hit the scene .... Have it a few centuries ahead of it's time.

When a virus advances past it's normal evolutionary path at such a high rate... The only logical conclusion is that it was tampered with in a lab.

It's simple cause and effect - action reaction. This virus is advanced WAY more than it should be from it's relatives of not too long ago's SARS viral outbreak. If we were to think of the 19 as the revision of natural evolution of the virus - by its own nature it should only be at a 8 or 9. But it's up there at 19 centuries sooner than it's natural evolution path would have taken it.

Now when it's public knowledge that it did in fact originate in a lab in China -- are you going to come back through and apologize for your ignorance?

Again- where do you get your “facts?”

Prove that you do that...sorry, you don't do that. Im betting I can find instances in other posts where you claim to work in the industry lmao.

I on the other hand - actually played a critical role in vaccine distribution in the U.S.

Yes I do that. What I don’t do is give you freaks on this website any more details of my personal life.

If your role includes actually working with the vaccines you should know better. I’d bet your role is closer to logistics.

Read up on viruses and how they mutate and the time line that they usually mutate...then get back to me.

Any variants and mutations shouldn't have hit the scene until a couple years from now when observing how other viruses mutate.

Consider the delta variant (and the so called “delta plus” variant) is a 4th natural mutation and they already have lambda in their sights. In about a year. Why do you think that is? I’ll help you: viruses mutate fast naturally.

Lol I actually work in the industry around viruses/immunology very close to the research and industrial sides in all labs in between, so I’m pretty up to speed. Keep trying though.

You should read up on a topic called "Biological Warfare". It talks of where various deadly viruses are concocted in labs and then are weaponized.

Much like democrats have weaponized Melanin, or at least the amount of it a person has by nature.

Fine with me. The vaccinated will live in the process. The freedumb fighters may not.

So you don't have a value for human life. I knew about a guy in Germany in the 40s - you would be good pals with him.

I do value human life. That’s why I think everyone should get vaccinated. Their body their choice though. So they can have at it unvaccinated and live….or die, their choice was made.

Or not get the vaccine and get COVID and hopefully pull out of the situation alive... like 98.275% of the people in the US who contract covid do.

36.6 Million cases 621 Thousand deaths.... That's only 0.01725% of people in the US with COVID dying from it. Which is oddly just about the same percentage of people who were dying from it before there were vaccines to protect people.

If the percentage of deaths per case is roughly the same with or without vaccines available - then the vaccines aren't doing much.

It’s the same amount because most people that die now are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people die at far lower rates of re-infection. That’s how science and math works. The numbers before vaccination had no vaccinated numbers. Probably still few now since many if not most vaccinated people may not even know they’re reinfected …then they live anyway.

No... My model doesn't take into account vaccinated or not categories.... It counts the cases of COVID and the people who died from the COVID.

With people being vaccinated - the percentages of cases to deaths should taper off and eventually get less. This is because like you said more people have antibodies and such. Like the people on the cruise ship who caught covid even though they were vaccinated...they had less sever symptoms and got better quicker than someone unvaccinated.

Since some percentage of the Cases are from people that have been vaccinated - and we have according to Biden 350 Million Americans vaccinated -- the death rate should go down from the virus because a percentage of those cases are vaccinated people who have caught covid again.

Yet - vaccine or no vaccine - 0 vaccinated verses 350 Million vaccinated.... The percentages of cases of COVID that leads to death, is running at the same percentage.

If you've placed a new category into an equation and are still coming out to the same answer - it's scientifically sound to say that the new category is not affecting the outcome. If the new category of things isn't changing the outcomes - one has to consider how effecting that new category is.

The new category is vaccinated people. Lots of vaccinated people - still the same cases to death rate....

The vast majority of deaths at this point ARE unvaccinated. So they will be treated as cases prior to vaccine availability were (among unvaccinated.)

What’s so confusing about this for you pal?

Ok - let's do some simple math for you to understand this. With easy numbers that are small to look at it and digest.

Pre-Vaccines: let's say we had 1,000 deaths and a total of 98,750 total cases. The percentage of death rate was 0.01725.

Post-Vaccines: Now there are 100,000 deaths and 9,875,000 cases. 3 percent of those near 10 million cases are vaccinated people - getting COVID again. So now we have vaccinated people into the Cases bucket as well because the numbers being recorded don't care about vaccinated people - they are raw numbers.

If the death rate of the cases is the same - but now includes vaccinate people into the numbers... The death rate should drop, because there is a new category of vaccinated people who shouldn't be dying off from COVID. However - the cases to death rate is strikingly the same....

Which means - the vaccinated people are having no impact to the cases to the death rate of those cases. Even if miniscule - it should drop. It's not.

Vaccines are designed to quell the death rate of people impacted by the virus/bacteria the vaccine is for. Currently - the numbers supplied don't support this.

I will gladly change my position in the future though - as I do understand that we don't have a ton of time involved to measure the results. Two years from now - my statement could be wrong because of having more measurable time. But until then and the information presents itself opposite of what I say.... I'm not wrong.

The death rate of unvaccinated people with covid was and still is around 1.5-2% (.01725 is 1.725%)

The death rate of vaccinated people that get covid is FAR lower than that.

When the numbers are reported now the vast majority of deaths are UNVACCINATED people….just like before there was a vaccine. So the death rate overall will be about the same as before. Because vaxxed people make up only a tiny fraction of deaths.

This is not hard to understand.