where my fellow electricians at ?

a dick in the hand is worth two in the butt! :D LoL

NOOOOOOOOOOO

Electrician porn

Lmfao this reminds me of TED - " there are no chicks with dicks , only dudes with tits !!!" lmfao

no

yes shoving your pee pee in an outlet very smart

oooh sounds like you have outletphobia , you racist. lmfao

your meem rocked another frontpage
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that is crazy LoL

Believe it or not humans aren't brainless electronic items we have a bit more complexity to us.We have emotions and thoughts!

I think human ego has run rampant - ignoring reality and embracing our own individual fantasy is the height of hubris.

the height of hubris is ignoring the reality that we could be bought at home depot and plugged into a wall socket or have something plugged into us. These liberals just don't get it

reality is quite simple, human ego tries to turn reality into our own little world of make believe. My meme simply points out how simple reality actually is compared to the twisted versions of some people.

If you think this ego problem is new then check this out.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_transgender_people_in_the_United_Stateshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS9wmO4mMZM

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didn't someone put a trans flag across from her sign?(tbh that second one funny as hell)

I believe she put that up after someone put a trans flag up but I might have that backwards. I've been waiting for a decent moment to use the 2nd gif lol

I don't even see how the second one really fits but it was funny regardless

It's a straight thing. Slap down a rebutal and walk off into some boobs. Altho, maybe you can relate.

Pepe walking into the titties is f**king amazing - I watched it like 40 times and laughed each time.

It does have a hypnotizing effect!

dude...

What?

It still doesn't make sense the conversation was about gender.

I know human ego is nothing new , it is the bane of humankind. Ego is the cause of war and murder and loss of life around the world. True racism is based in ego, Pride is based in ego, most of the things that make humans shitty is based in the human ego, since forever.

Yeah ego is a horrible thing that's always been around ,but what does that have to do with being trans.Their not egotistical.

I disagree - Pride goes hand in hand with ego, the lgbtq entire mantra is Pride , White power is pride , racism is pride, Pride is ego, basically self satisfaction with ones self-. --> ego is a sense of self-importance which can lead to arrogance whereas pride is a sense of satisfaction. The words ego and pride are so close in meaning and so interrelated that sometimes it becomes difficult to differentiate between them. <--

I personally don't think that is accurate, because a sense of self worth and a big ego are completely different.To be honest plenty of lgbtq people suffer with self worth problems because they are always told that there's something so wrong with them.Lots of people that have just come out of the closet may seem egotistical but thats just because they haven't been able to truly express themselves and now their in a place where their accepted and allowed to be themselves.Any person can have a big ego,but to say all lgbtq people do is a big generalization that I don't believe to be all that accurate.You can have pride without ego.(I like ur username btw)

hmmm pride without ego.. that would be walking the razors edge, but I think you are right that it is possible. Thank you King Toady was a pet of mine when I was very young, he was a giant American toad.

well I was just saying with a healthy dose of ego none would be a suicidal amount of self hate,also cool pet I love toads: )

ego and self hate are polar opposites - the healthy medium is humility - know your worth without measuring yourself against others. Some Shaolin knowledge there , know your worth without measuring yourself against others.

I wouldn't say their complete opposites but I guess you're right there.

its still only two lmfao ;D the confused individuals still amount to the gender they are birthed as.

Right so a plug that's been spliced to be a female plug is still a male plug then?

no, a male plug that has been fitted with a female adaptor is considered a female plug now. However, a man that has had surgery and has taken hormones to look like a women is still a man, and always will be , because there are only 2 genders.

If there's only two genders wouldn't they be female? Maybe they aren't the confused ones..

my god, dude... I don't mean to be cruel, but it seems like you are getting dumber by the day. "if there are two genders wouldn't they be female?" jesusf**kinchrist

You're the one implying that they would be niether, not me. If they get surgery and hormones and want to identify as female, wouldn't that satisfy your only two genders issue?

NO, I said clear and concisely, that a man that has surgery and takes hormones will still be a man. try using reading comprehension before you retort.

hahahahaaa Jesus man, can they even get more confused?

LoL Harassment gimme a f**king break

yea, pseudoscience says they are different. Biology is wayy cooler though. Your feelings do not change reality. I know liberals think feelings trump reality ..but they don't.

Weird how any science you disagree with is pseudoscience.

Reality is cool and full of nuance. Gender as a term to identify gender role vs sex isn’t new.

I 100% agree - feelings don’t matter. No matter how upset dictionaries and scientific journals make you, the facts remain unchanged. They are just words. If gender and sex were both biological, it wouldn’t change the fact that some people have gender dysphoria, it would only change the terms we use to describe that condition and the way we talk about it.

I don’t think your actual issue is the word, but the fact the the word signals understanding and acceptance of something you think should not be accepted.

NO, I simply do not want to be forced into believing someone else's fantasy. Pseudoscience is politically correct, socially aware, false sciences that do not follow any true basic science. 2 genders and 3 sexes , male and female, gay straight and bi, <---- everything else - everything, is based on this fact. whether your nonbinary or A sexual or prefer to be called Zer or Zee or any of the other nonsense people make up - it all comes down to the fact there are 2 genders and 3 sexualities . no matter who you wanna f**k you fall into one of these categories. -everyone does-

So don't believe it. You can acknowledge what the words mean and then say you disagree. I think most homeopathic medicine is trash. But I'm not going to refuse to call it that because that is the term. You can say, I don't think we should have to call people by their gender instead of their sex since it is the same for 98% of people (I don't know the actual number). You can say, I don't think people should play sports or use restrooms based on gender, because those are separate due to biological differences, not gender. Then we can have an actual conversation instead of fighting about a dictionary.

Gender is separate from sexual attraction. Someone could be a trans male and still be attracted to men.

which would make them a straight female that pretends to be a male. Straight, gay, or bi.. it doesn't matter how messed up the persons identity is or what they identify as , men with women are straight , men with men are gay and men with both are BI, exactly the same for women. What I don't want to be forced into believing is "men and women are interchangeable" , they are not, a man can not wake up and decide to be female just like a female can not wake up and be a male. reality don't work like that. it sickens me that people are actually perpetuating the lie that people's fantasy can over turn the laws of nature. I am going to be 40 years old, I have a Bachelors degree in applied sciences, I took biology for 4 years in college , I studied physics , and philosophy - you can be anything you want , you can pretend or even believe you are anything , your realty is yours to believe, however , when laws begin to change that contradict science because it makes some insignificant % of the population feel good about themselves.. I have a problem with that.

So, how I would say it using proper terminology is this: you think people with gender dysphoria have a mental illness or are pretending. Either way, you don't want to humor them.

You should read up on gender dysphoria and some of the science looking at cause. There are differences in brain structure between men and women. Many studies have shown people who identify as a different gender often have features of the sex associated with that gender.

There are chemicals that cause different reactions based on sex, and at least one study showed the same - reactions are more like the gender they say they are than there sex.

Honestly I would have been ok calling people what they wanted to be called either way, so the existence of these studies is interesting.

The same way I would not tell a schizophrenic that he is actually hearing his teeth speak to him. I don't understand the idea to embrace mental illness , it should be treated , not popularized with children.

To be clear, the who and American psychological association don't consider it a mental illness. Nor do I.

Sorry is I wasn't clear, but I was saying I think that is your view.

I can see where you are coming from but disagree with you. I don't think it is a delusion. I don't know for sure, but it costs me nothing to call people by their preferred pronouns.

Since a few years ago. Since feelz replaced honest critique. I'm sure pedophila won't be a mental illness in a few years. Having said that, transtrenderism isn't an illness. It's a cry for attention and acceptance by a social group. A small number are intersexed. But there is something wrong with identity dysphoria.

Btw, I identify as divine royalty. Please henceforth refer to me as God Emperor SydneyB. Thank you.

This ain't Arrakis, bro.

Some conservative groups did a false flag campaign and attended Pride with banners making it seem like pedophilia was now part of pride. It isn't and won't ever be. In the early days NAMBLA apparently participated in pride but they were boycotted and rejected (and rightly so).

My core principle when it comes to any number of things is the Harm Principle - the actions of individuals can only be limited to prevent harm to other individuals.

Actions between consenting adults are nobodies business. Minors are, by definition, not consenting adults. Whether being a pedophile is or isn't a mental illness actually has nothing to do with that - sex with someone who can't consent is rape.

What'll the difference be next month? Pedo lib pseudoscientists can't change reality just because they say so.

Language doesn’t change reality, it just describes it. You and a lot of others disagree with the medical community on whether gender identity should be accepted and even whether it’s real. And that’s fine, free speech and all.

But why not be honest about it? instead of dealing in honest debate, you make fun of the terminology. You wear ignorance like armor and mock us for not being similarly garbed.

I know the difference between a man and a woman and you want to call me ignorant? And here I thought you were one of the civil ones.

You know the difference between a man and a woman. Great.

But I mean ignorance not as an insult but as defined. in refusing to learn the definition of gender or to acknowledge it you are choosing to stay ignorant. You wear that ignorance like a shield you can use to deflect.

Buddy, when I was born gender and sex were the same, trannies were transvestites and body dysphoria was a mental illness. You damn well know this gender bs was pushed by a pedo, John Money, so spare me your post modernism crap. And I can say your 2nd paragraph to you. YOU can pretend a man is a woman and a woman is a man. I have no problem with treating someone with respect but I won't play make pretend because someone can't deal with reality.

Money coined the current usage, and should have been disbarred and probably gone to jail. I'm not sure what the legal statutes were at the time. That doesn't invalidate where other scientists have taken the terms. Assuming somethings value is tied to its origin is the genetic fallacy.

When I graduated Pluto was a planet. When I was born, there wasn't a single state that had outlawed discrimination based on sexual orientation. Wisconsin was the first in 1982.

I was still in High school when the Supreme Court decided that Colorado's amendment denying gays and lesbians protections against discrimination. was unconstitutional. (1996)

Things change.

you can't call a rock a bird - you can not describe reality incorrectly and then get mad at everyone else because they say the rock is a rock and not a bird.

And you would be making a valid point if the definition of sex and gender were the same. They aren't.

Whales were considered fish. When scientists said they weren't, there was significant pushback and arguments. I see no difference. Science has acknowledged something that is contrary to "common sense".

So do you believe that men and women are interchangeable at will? let us see if we can achieve common ground.

Interchangeable - Biologically, obviously not. And nobody is saying they are.

actually if you look at current "science " on the left they are saying exactly that. But we agree that of course men can not be women and women can not be men at will.

care to point me to that 'science' because, again, nobody thinks that biology changes at will or whim. Gender can be fluid, not sex.

okay so I challenge you , with out describing this bet in anyway shape or form, to make a meme , saying that "men and women are different and not interchangeable at will" as you said, post it too politicsTOO ( if the mods even allow it) and let me see the responses you get . I want to see the whole "nobody is saying that men and women are the same " proof of that comment you made ;D

okay tell you what go to politicsTOO and make a meme that says men and women are not interchangeable and see what happens.

I'm game to play. To be clear, you originally said "interchangeable at will". My definition of sex is external plumbing (to get around troubling questions about what sex someone who is sterile would be), so I would consider someone who has undergone surgery to have changed their sex.

I wouldn't consider that to be 'at will' given the amount of effort that went into it.

Also we have to be careful not to follow sciences that change at the whims of political pressure - As you said , no matter how much a dictionary's definition or science fact may upset you , it doesn't change facts or definitions.

You have to also be careful not to assume all science that contradicts your politics is somehow partisan. I actually think this is more a matter of society catching up with science, not the other way around.

I have a hard time believing that current society trends are ahead of science.

I said the opposite: society is currently playing catchup on the science. Gender identity has been part of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders since volume III in 1980 (DSM-III). There have been revisions to these definitions as we are currently on DSM-5, released in 2013.

I personally didn't know about gender vs sex until probably 2015. I had to take a training at work related to it in 2017.

-"Do what ever my wife says to do" - LoL that is my mantra as well, Happy wife, happy life. Thanks for the interesting debate, I think I get your position a little better now, and I think you understand me a bit more as well.. and for an online conversation, I could not ask for better than that. I feel this conversation has come to conclusion though , take care and Hope to see you in future debates.

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Reconstructive Surgery is nothing like mutilation , if someone goes through a wind shield and needs their face put back together, is nothing like feeling stress over what is between your legs to the point of cutting it off. Plastic surgery for cosmetics reasons .. well, that is kind a close to mutilation , I have seen cases of it when it has gone wrong.

Cleft pallet, liposuction, face lifts, breast reduction. Perhaps I should have said cosmetic surgery. I'm not sure where cleft pallet falls - if you are born with it, is it reconstructive?

Its not my body, and the standard (which I looked up the other day) is that you must have a letter recommending you for hormones or surgery from a mental health expert prior to beginning treatment. There is also a consult where they review the medical record and confirm that people have been taking hormones for a year or other metrics. I think this is to ensure that they are taking it seriously. So with the understanding that you don't just roll in and check off a menu of changes, I'm good. You don't have to be.

what about giving kids hormone blockers because they think they are transgendered? Kids that have not even reached puberty? How can a child make that kind of decision? Young kids , I am talking about 5 and 6 years olds , are being taught about transgenderism and are embracing the idea that they might be trans without even knowing what it really is because it gives them attention. Then liberal parents embrace their 6 year old kid as trans and give them hormone blockers and possible mutilating surgery. As for a cleft pallet , that is a deformity , it causes your body not to form correctly .. I would consider that reconstructive.

Which is why a mental health professional and doctor is involved in the decision. I caught my 8 year old watching something about serial killers on youtube the other day. I'm pretty sure she isn't going to kill me.

Your assumption is a perfect storm of neglectful parents, attention grabbing kids, and bad doctors who don't catch any of this. I think the checks and balances are sufficient.

If my youngest told me she was a boy, I'd probably talk to her about it, and maybe go with it to see if it was a phase. If not...well its hypothetical at this point. What I would probably do is come up with a plan and then just do whatever my wife said to do. ;)

I think gender dysphoria can be defined by this - D
a manifestation of a behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunction in the individual. distress over your own gender to the point of self mutilation, would definitely fall into this category.

Self mutilation - any reconstruction surgery or plastic surgery could be classified as mutilation. Going through a doctor as a matter of treatment wouldn’t qualify IMO.

Gender dysphoria has been in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, as you said . In the DMS 5 they dropped "disorder " from the label , not for any scientific reason, but only to drop the social stigma. So, it is in fact a mental disorder.. and because the suicide rates are still high in the 30%-40% range, that it can be considered a mental illness due to the danger posed to self and others.

I see where you are going with the suicide rate. The suicide rate among veterans and active duty is also high. Does this come from being trans or the trauma of not being accepted? I imagine that the fear of your parents or others finding out and reacting could be stressful. There is also a statistic that says of the 41% of trans adults who said they had attempted suicide, 61% of those were victims of assault. Root cause is difficult to determine.

Either way, the definition of a mental disorder:

Features
A
a clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual

B
is associated with present distress (e.g., a painful symptom) or disability (i.e., impairment in one or more important areas of functioning) or with a significantly increased risk of suffering death, pain, disability, or an important loss of freedom

C
must not be merely an expectable and culturally sanctioned response to a particular event, for example, the death of a loved one

D
a manifestation of a behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunction in the individual

E
neither deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) nor conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict is a symptom of a dysfunction in the individual

Other Considerations
F
no definition adequately specifies precise boundaries for the concept of “mental disorder”

G
the concept of mental disorder (like many other concepts in medicine and science) lacks a consistent operational definition that covers all situations

My point is valid - a male can not call themselves a female and expect the rest of the world to se them as a female because they "want " be be female. Like I said, a rock is a rock, a rock is not a bird even if it wants to fly.

Even ignoring that rocks don't want things, that was a poor analogy. You should have gone with turtle or something like that.

I suppose women who adopt children aren't really mother's? I mean, to substitute into your statement:

A sterile woman can not call themselves a mother and expect the rest of the world to see them as a mother because they want to be a mother.

Being a mother is biological, but it is also a role. Sex is biological, gender is a role.

Even if you believe it, who does it help to remind a woman she isn't actually a mother, she's just someone pretending?

A women that can not have children is not the rule, that is an exception , the rule is that woman give birth. Men can not give birth. "Mother" is the role of the female who has any child under her, Father is the role of a male who has any child under his care. A woman can not be a father and a father can not be a mother. father and mother are societal roles for men and women.

I don't disagree with that, but I think you understand my point, even if you disagree with it.

I'm not transgender. I know something like 3 people who are indirectly. Son of a coworker who I never met before he changed jobs and two friends of friends on Facebook.

I look at the suicide rate among transgender people and some of the newest research shows promise at lowering that rate with gender confirmation and affirmation. Some of the older research showed that it was unchanged in either case. It costs me very little to call somebody what they want to be called.

A survey in 2016 found that the state with the highest percentage of trans people was California with .76 % and the lowest was North Dakota with .3%. I think the number of trans people will go up over the next few years - not because of a bandwagon, but the equivalent of people coming out of the closet. But those numbers will plateau quickly. There will be people who may have never identified as trans before because they never realized it was a thing, but now they do know and decided they are, but for the most part I don't think you have otherwise 'normal' people doing it for the fun of it.

if someone wants to be a girl and wants me to call them a girls name.. I really have no issue with that, personally. I do have an issue with laws that change to quite simply make a tiny fraction of people feel better, Like girls being replaced with transgirls across multiple states that allow transgirls to play in girls sports (one quick example but there are many more) -https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/02/12/frustrating-and-disheartening-3-girls-losing-to-biological-males-in-track-announce-lawsuit/-. in high school boy allowed into girls locker rooms.. https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/14-year-old-girl-blasts-school-boards-trans-bathroom-policy-everyone-know-what, I have problems when society is so desperate to make .03 % of the population happy while ignoring 90% that understand biology and that boys and girls have different bodies. And as for not doing it for fun? you are telling me that no one says they are transgendered for attention? Or Hollywood stars raising their kids as trans just to say they have a trans kid? You and I both know that both of things are taking place.

Laws change - mostly the laws I've seen only impact employee -> employer relationships where anti-discrimination laws exist.

There are only a few trans athletes I know of. The trans boy in Texas wants to compete against boys but can't because of Texas law, which is ironic. I'm not against some sort of rules to keep sports fair. That is a separate matter.

Will some people do it for fun or attention? Sure. The same as anything else. Punishing the affected population because some other percentage of the population will take advantage isn't fair. But peer pressure is a bitch. I don't imagine a trans girl who the other girls thing is just there to spy will be treated extremely well. Same with trans boy. Things like that have a tendency to take care of themselves.

I have no problem with changing laws that effect employee and employers - no one should be fired or denied work because of their orientation. sports and transgenderism is not a separate issue to what we are discussing , Girls are being removed from top ranking spots across the USA because transgirls have physical advantages over them. I can post multiple links if need be, but I think you can easily look up this info yourself and see I am not making anything up as I go.

I don't think you are making it up - there are instances, but is it significant?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports#United_States_2

This lists notable trans athletes and it looks like 33 athletes. I'm sure that's not the total, but I would imagine any notables would be added.

It is worth mentioning that much of the advantage or disadvantage is related to testosterone. That said, there seems to be some lingering advantage.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-women-retain-athletic-edge-after-year-hormone-therapy-study-n1252764

Again, I think the digging in and refusal to compromise makes both sides obstinate. There is an obvious documented advantage. With the allowance that some people will always take advantage, the goal here isn't to make things unfair. So, I can only speak to myself, but as long as there is a logical reason that isn't just "trans people shouldn't..." or people trying to use the exception to discriminate, then we can discuss. I would think you should be able to quantify the advantage/disadvantage and then separate it out like boxing weight. I'm probably over simplifying that, but...

I read a rule once that said negotiations should end with both sides feeling like they didn't win. You should give something up when you compromise. I don't know that I always follow the rule, but I remember it on occasion.

I don't see anything I disagree with on that last post you made. btw I would be fine with trans sports to make things really fair, that way trans athletes could compete with their own peers.

There aren't enough trans people to make that happen.

I don't think you were making the case intentionally, but that parallels 'separate but equal'

Men and women's sports are already separate but equal... I mean , it would be a league for transgendered to have equal competition with their own peer. If record numbers of people are coming out of the closets , I am sure there will be enough to fill the ranks in a trans athletic competition. Separate but equal is employed in sports all the time. It is not racist or bigoted. It is so women do not get crushed by men.

Fair. I guess we'll see how this all plays out.