His name was Ronald Greene.

And covered it up for over a year.

All lives matter.

Black lives matter, too*

Notice how all lives matter takes in all lives like every single one.

Notice how it ignores the message behind black lives matter which is exactly what they're talking about:

Yes, all lives do matter, that's a given. No one disputes that. The only reason is called a racist phrase is because people who adopt this phrase refuse to look at the overwhelming evidence of the claims by BLM and instead insist that their claims are invalid The argument being made concerning the message of black lives matter is that while everyone holds this value (all lives matter) to be true, the value fails when concerning the criminal justice system and the African American community.

So here's the thing law is influenced by what crime and being black isn't a crime. What you people can't seem to understand is everyone who was killed was a criminal.

Not everyone who's been killed by the police have been criminals.

Didn't do what police said and deliberately disobeyed.

So if a cop orders you to put on a mask, you'll do it?

This is what police do is they ask "can I get and ID" people idiotically don't give them any and run away police chase them down (they are criminals at this point) and then they do something stupid and it gets them killed that's what happens 90% of the time.

Depends on where you are located.

You're just making generalizations for excuses.

Going through some old memes of mine. Just thought I'd throw in that it is also illegal to shoot someone who is running away. The only time a police officer is to use their sidearm is when another life is in immediate danger.

If it was required by law.

So it's sometimes okay to not do what police say and deliberately disobey?

I wonder how many reports have been falsified in the past, or even politicized? As we have seen in the past four years, you can politicize anything and stretch and skew the truth to fit your agenda. Hell Jim Jordan is an artist at such things. It's too bad police cams aren't always recording either...I wonder how often African Americans get harassed by racist police. Or for that matter, how many police refuse to help African Americans because of their color when they are reporting racial harassment?

Or, in the case of Elijah McLain, he was immediately set upon by the police for simply walking down the street with a plastic bag. They instantly restrained him. Died minutes later due to chemical restraint.

It is not uncommon to see police assaulting people when it isn't warranted. Running away from the police does not warrant the death penalty unless you are signaling that you are a very dangerous threat to nearby citizens. If you're just running, it is illegal for the police to shoot you; police are not given a free reign to kill at a whim.

Sorry, not sorry.

So what you're telling me is the police had a needle poked it into him and overdosed him?

Carotid chokehold is not a chemical restraint.

A police officer even threatened McLain that he would get his dog out of the car to bite him even as McLain was apologizing, trying to cooperate, in spite of his disability, and the panic that resulted from it.

Watch the video.

Address the points in the video.

Stop arguing from ignorance.

The medicine is what finished him off. Which was complicated by his rapid heart rate, high blood pressure and flight response from adrenaline. He would not have needed to be chemically restrained if the officers attacked him on sight. (Which they did.) Nine seconds into the stop when he wasn't doing anything wrong. Except "Be suspicious."

They inhumanely restrained him and terrified him to reach this condition.

I was wrong, the coroner said he died due to physical exertion and...

... wait for it...

a narrow coronary artery...

The whole time, he was being compliant not showing any violence. THe kid was autistic and had no idea what was going on. If the police did some... you know, policing... they would have deducted that he was nuerodiverse. If they had walked with him, he would have told them everything he wanted to know. He didn't run, he just walked, slowly at that.

Yet the carotid hold is what killed him.

The medicine just made it impossible to recover him, I imagine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGlHMZQtO7U

Watch for yourself. Minute-by-minute breakdown.

Your reply tells me that you still haven't looked it up yourself.

That's still not chemical restraint.

That's still not chemical restraint"

F**king duh. Now respond to the rest of my post:

I was wrong, the coroner said he died due to physical exertion and...

... wait for it...

a narrow coronary artery...

The whole time, he was being compliant not showing any violence. THe kid was autistic and had no idea what was going on. If the police did some... you know, policing... they would have deducted that he was nuerodiverse. If they had walked with him, he would have told them everything he wanted to know. He didn't run, he just walked, slowly at that.

Yet the carotid hold is what killed him.

The medicine just made it impossible to recover him, I imagine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGlHMZQtO7U

Watch for yourself. Minute-by-minute breakdown.

Little do you know how sleep medicines work they don't kill you.

When used correctly.

So your saying that multiple needles were stabbed into him and overdosed him?

When did I say that? Quit making inferences

Chemical restraint is a form of medical restraint in which a drug is used to restrict the freedom or movement of a patient or in some cases to sedate the patient. They would have to stuck multiple needles to overdose him.

Who said anything about overdosing?

I am in the field of firefighting (which in case you didn't know we have to go to medical school and do medical training) I think I know more about medicine than you do, one shot of Ketamine a medicine used by paramedics basically Anistia 11 mg is considered a deadly overdose every paramedic or medical team know not to give that much to them or else death is possible.

No, you don't go to medical school. You take medical classes. There's a difference. Thanks for playing though. I volunteered at a firestation nearly 10 years ago, then went on to be an EMT, then took classes for Medical Assisting.

No, firefighters don't take "Medical School." You don't take pharmacology for being a firefighter. I took Anatomy and Physiology classes, Pharmacology classes, and many others that aren't related to this topic directly, but are related to the medical field.

One of them being ethics... Something you seem to seriously lack.

Stop playing dumb.

I'm not. I said that the medicine had to be used correctly, that doesn't inherently mean overdosing. If you had the first clue about how medicine works, you'd know that. But you're a COVID denier which is the first clue that you don't understand medicine.

Now we're at the second. Wanna go for three?

Than if you really took medical school what is the most important thing you learned?

Regarding what? There are a lot of important things I learned. I'm not going to answer an ambiguous gotcha question. That works on Fox News, not here.

Wow, this is tremendously disturbing. Suggests we need civilian review boards for that body cam footage -- and officers shouldn't be able to turn it off.

and this is why I as a minority always put my head down and hide from the police no matter the situation. all these marches won't do anything except infuriate more people over the death of more protesters and eventually lead to another civil war

so wake up america

Let's see just like all these things criminal and then did stupid thing.

None of which call for a death sentence to be carried out immediately by the cops.

None.

When you do a crime and police are on to you and yell loud and clear drop a weapon you do so or get shot understand?

Elijah McLain had commit no crime except for being black and autistic. Understand?

Oh so how do you know that CNN tell you?

No. Way to avoid the evidence that breaks your argument though.

Not avoiding any evidence btw he did.

No crime was committed by Elijah McLain.

Though, I'd like to hear your insight on this if you think he committed a crime.

Running away from officers is a crime.

"Okay I understand that but good parents weather or not they have mental diseases teach their kids to comply with police"

In theory yes. If the police had calmly approached him, that might have gone differently.

But he had d many factors resulting in his panic response, number one: over simulation, lights, multiple strangers approaching him. Number two, they were interfering with his rupturing. Number three, they assumed he was nuerotypical. Number four, they never tried to de-escalate. Number five, autistic people don't like being touched by other people; It makes them panic.

All because they saw a black kid with a ski mask. Caller said he had a gun. He never did. Police did no policing. Just thuggery. Change my mind.

Police were called to someone who looks like they would be an armed robber how do you think they would approach him?

Running from a cop isn't punishable by death, and he didn't run. He kept walking because he was autistic. He was mentally compels to keep to a routine. He panicked when they interfered in that routine.

Okay I understand that but good parents weather or not they have mental diseases teach their kids to comply with police.

Sure it is. Punishable by death? Hardly.

So if he never did they would have searched him and he would've gone away scratch free but because it was a cop they decided that they are going to run and they did.

CNN isn't perfect, but at least they're more trustworthy than you.

How people were litterally rioting at the CNN Center is was BLM and instead of calling them domestic terrorists which they called the people at the capitol riot they called them "demonstrators".

To cut to the chase, yes, I do believe the republican party is a crime syndicate and should be systematically suppressed and broken up. And I say that as someone who's not a member of the Democratic party. We should have a multi-party system consisting of the Green party, the Libertarian party, the Reform party, and the Democratic party.

So basically you are a democrat.

If you want to make up your own definition of the word so you can use it as an insult, yes.

"You're gonna believe the FBI over an adderall-addled game-show host and his high-school-dropout white-supremacist worshippers?"

Um... yeah?

Hm so your for the news company that calls rioters demonstrators unless it's the party that goes against them than if it is the republican party that call them domestic terrorists.

FBI confirms that white Supremacists were active in sabotaging the protests and escalating them into riots

You're gonna believe the FBI over an adderall-addled game-show host and his high-school-dropout white-supremacist worshippers?

Yet at the same time BLM could call these people out.

"Yet at the same time BLM could call these people out."

No, because they aren't an organization, they are a movement. They don't know who anyone is. And by the time the violence is instigated, it's too late to capture on phone to see who started it. People unite together to share this message, I would be surprised if someone knew 1% of the protesters at a large gathering like we saw last year.

You clearly do zero research BLM is one of the biggest organizations out there.

Coming from the guy who doesn't do research.
Yes, BLM has chapters and leadership for organizing events. But it is largely a movement in which anyone is free to carry the message of their own volition.

Stop it with your intellectual dishonesty, seriously.

Intellectual dishonesty is all they have.

And anyone can join an organization they literally identify as an organization with a scum-bag co founder using donation money to buy houses.

*literally.

A crime?

What crime calls for the immediate death of a suspect?

I guess it's "innocent until proven guilty (but only if you're white." huh?

Greene was pulled over for an unspecified traffic violation. (what traffic violation is cause enough for immediate execution?)

He fled because he was afraid of who pulled him over.

They chased him.

Forced him from the road.

Pulled him from his car. (no guns or weapons were found).

Beat him to death.

And then tried to cover it up.

Wait when did this happen? Like what year?

"Seen multiple news cases on the incident with Elijah and from what I heard from CNBC as well as Fox he had loads of cocaine and alcohol in his system."

So?

That changes nothing with regard to how poorly the traffic stop was handled. Stop your incessant whataboutisms please, your credibility is rapidly reaching 0.

Coming from the guy who said who said Elijah never ran even though a police chase was confirmed.

How would you know? You never watched the video.

News article state that police never killed him he died of a heart attack and he was resisting arrest based on the fact he was fighting being put in handcuffs died of a heart attack.

Yes. He died of a heart attack. Follow that up with some critical thinking:

- Had the police approached him and actually assessed him, would restraints have been called for? No. He simply kept walking at the pace they found him walking. He didn't speed up, he didn't slow down.

- If no restraint had been used, would there have been a need to use Ketamine on Elijah? No.

- Was there any crime that Elijah committed to warrant being arrested in the first place? No.

- What's worse, is that these officers later went near the memorial site of Elijah McLain and re-enacted the scene, mocking him by repeating the chokehold against eachother, texted the picture to friends captioning "Ha ha."

Do you want continue to defend the indefensible?
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/07/03/elijah-mcclain-aurora-police-photos-officers/

Denver post is liberal

Police got called for a possible armed robber

Had he cooperated and talked to him while he was detained than they wouldn't have been

Yes the fact that he kept on walking after police told him to stop could be considered evading police

I want to see the actual messages not from a news source

2019. In Louisiana.

Well what I will tell you is when he ran it's considered fleeing and that's illegal. Now it was bad and I do agree with you

"At least no one in party said that liberals need to be reprogrammed."

No, they just said "The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat."

But not worthy of being shot.

Who was shot?

Do some research for once. Clearly, you've never done any.

Seen multiple news cases on the incident with Elijah and from what I heard from CNBC as well as Fox he had loads of cocaine and alcohol in his system.

"Denver post is liberal

Police got called for a possible armed robber

Had he cooperated and talked to him while he was detained than they wouldn't have been

Yes the fact that he kept on walking after police told him to stop could be considered evading police

I want to see the actual messages not from a news source"

You know I thought I could hold a reasonable discussion with you but you won't even entertain the idea of any narrative but your own. You wonder why you don't get along with anyone who doesn't share your views. I provide sources that literally explain why your claim is false.

Debate would indicate that one is open to new ideas and perspectives. I'm not seeing that with you

I am, but a YouTube video won't sway me and the Denver post is liberal, plus you are supporting a possible drug dealer and drug consumer known as Elijah McLain and from what I have seen George Floyd.

I am supporting Human rights. Simply because they had drugs in their system does not warrant us to abandon them. That's kinda f**ked up that you think that way. The Youtube Video is by NBC news. There is no slant to what happened in this video. They strictly state what happened.

Watch it first, then tell me how its bias is corrupting the message. That's how debate works. Right now, you're applying the genetic fallacy by saying "Well I dont trust it because it's liberal." That's not good debating.

Yes but at that point your supporting people who keep these drugs on the street

And if I watch CNBC and trust it that's saying something.

Thats still applying the genetic fallacy. Watch the video and tell me how its bias interferes with the facts. Until you watch it and evaluate it you'll always be considered a partisan hack in this discussion who rejects media because "libs."

That's literally what it means to be brainwashed.

At least no one in party said that liberals need to be reprogrammed.

"Police were called to someone who looks like they would be an armed robber how do you think they would approach him?"

A fair point to be sure, yet after they checked him, they not once ever sought to de escalate the situation, they did the exact opposite. This was all because he was a poor helpless black kid who died from an over zealous police force, and paranoid white dog who assumed he had a gun simply because he was walking in a totally non suspicious way, not trying to hide himself. He walked for half a mile from the store before police got to him. Dispatch never reported shots fired, never started that he was engaging in dangerous activity. They had to stop in the middle of the street because they almost missed him as he was unassuming.

But by all means keep defending over zealots police who resorted to violence rather than to actually use critical thinking skills, or even observational skills. Don't bother watching that video I sent you.

So now your going to be a racist calling a person a dog only because of skin color?

Just because shots weren't reported doesn't mean anything.

Typo, was using a phone. My bad. I was using swype and meant to write "Guy."

And yes, it means everything as when police discharge their firearm they aren't required by law to write an incident report. Even if it was, who's going to police the police? If you have a racist precinct, of course there's going to be no reports of racist incidents. Especially when they know better.

Oh yeah sureeeee you did nice excuse.

It's a meme against "orangemanbad." Characterizing the Right-Wing's hate against Biden. Where the democrats were identified by saying "orangemanbad." I identify the right-wing with saying (with regard to Biden) "oldwhitemanbad." As the number one reason for their hate for him as a candidate is because "He's old." "He has dementia."

Thanks for asking, and thanks for believing in me :D

Sure it does.

Glad we see eye to eye. :)

Is English your second language? That sentence is barely coherent.

Do I give a f**k?

I doubt anyone would take one if you did.

Don't judge liberals by my behavior.

Most do just to make a point.

"And anyone can join an organization they literally identify as an organization with a scum-bag co founder using donation money to buy houses."

Stop it with your fake news. I'd like to see you prove it that she used donation money to buy a house. Oh wait. You don't have proof. You're just sucking on Fox News' teat believing everything you hear. You may not watch Fox News, but that's where that claim was originated. Or are you just an echo chamber?

https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/

plus Breonna Taylor's mother who was told the charter service would be stuff would be paid for hasn't been and we all know that she happened a long time ago BLM is fraudulent she said.

NYPost is a tabloid. Taking it for "Facts" is a fools errand. I suggest finding new material.

Khan-Cullors said in a prepared statement she has been paid a total of $120,000 from the organization since 2013 for acting as spokesperson and “political education work,” but she has not been paid since 2019.

Khan-Cullors pointed out the myriad jobs she has held. She has two book deals, including authorship of a New York Times best-selling memoir. The Los Angeles Times reported last year that Khan-Cullors signed a production deal with Warner Brothers “to develop scripted dramas and comedies, docuseries and animated programming for children, young adults and families.”

Khan-Cullors also noted that she is a public speaker, owns a gallery, has a deal with YouTube and teaches at a private liberal arts college in Arizona.

The claim that Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Khan-Cullors bought four luxury homes is MISSING CONTEXT, because without additional information it could be misleading. While some social media users suggested that the purchases were evidence that Khan-Cullors had been enriched by the movement, our research revealed no evidence that Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation funds were used to purchase property. Khan-Cullors has held several other jobs in addition to her work as the organization’s volunteer executive director, including writing a memoir and developing content for Warner Brothers.

Just to make her seem good they say those things all from crappy liberal sources.

and the YouTube thing only reason she has one is because they are starting to go insane.

Dude. I just debunked your claim with facts and you deny the relevance to your claim... I thought you liked to debate rationally.

I mean that's also debate.

Not when it actually *is* relevant. By saying "You deny the relevance." It means you're refusing to acknowledge the relevance. Even though it entirely is.