I admit I'm still floored at how effective the conditioning was, although media spin and blackout was key too

I don't understand it either. And many of these Democrats were the same ones that tried to say Reagan got Alzheimer's while in office. Even IF that were true, no Republican clearly saw that prior to his re-election. Yet the entire world could clearly see that Biden is a mental wreck but the Dems voted for him anyway.

But then it wasn't votes from real voters that put Biden in office. Trump won reelection by a landslide. Every single vote that put Biden close to and then over Trump was counterfeit.

Yep. I take special care not to call that guy "president", since as you rightly say, he was never actually elected.

Despite their attempt to sabotage the Dominion forensics with their little false flag "terrorism" in TN, I still think the truth is going to come out.

There were snapshots from the early-results servers they had based in Germany, I think I saved some myself, that Trump even won CALIFORNIA.

That's seriously saying something :-O

I should do that also. A president is someone who presides. In other words our president is just supposed to watch over the government to make sure that the government does "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".

Since he was not elected he is not a president. He does not preside. He unconstitutionally creates law by executive orders, which he didn't write, read or even know what they are.

The best definition for what Biden is a puppet or stooge. I like stooge. "Stooge Biden".

That would be impressive if Trump actually won California. I wish that justice would prevail and we could route out this crime against democracy.

AGREED :0)

if biden was "a mental wreck", then trump is just something else, i have no words to describe my hatred for this fumbling retarded f*ck, trump is without a doubt one of the worst presidents in the history of the united states, almost everything he said would help people, didn't. and don't f*cking get me started on the cheating in the election thing, because you know who's name comes up first in that conversation.

If you could just dial back that hatred from 100 down to maybe around 50 then you just might see that Trump was not nearly as bad as your hatred makes him out to be. What you have to do is stop listening to what the TV tells you to think and look at what Trump accomplished.

I'm not saying he was the greatest president we've ever had. He was like most. He did some good things and he did some bad things.

If you want to talk about awful presidents then you have to look at what they did. Trump did not lock up innocent German, Italian and Japanese American citizens like FDR did. Trump ended Obama's economic depression, FDR prolonged Herbert Hoover's economy depression.

Trump didn't force a foreign controlled bank to manage the United States' assets like Woodrow Wilson did. Trump did not force an unconstitutional taxation scheme that was designed to control the people like Woodrow Wilson did. Trump did not show the movie Birth of a Nation in the White House like Woodrow Wilson did. Trump did not pass a sedition act so that Americans who disagreed with the president could be locked up in jail like Woodrow Wilson did. Trump didn't use the KKK as bodyguards at the Democrat National Convention like Woodrow Wilson did.

Trump didn't create promised to end poverty with a welfare plan that just perpetuated poverty and caused the divorce rate in African Americas to go from the lowest in the nation to the highest in the nation like Lyndon Johnson did. Trump didn't get us involved in a war without a clearly defined objective and for absolutely no reason like Lyndon Johnson did.

Trump didn't take us off of the gold standard like Richard Nixon did. Trump didn't spy on the Democrat party like Nixon did. Instead the Democrat party pulled a Nixon on Trump but no one even cared.

Trump didn't sign the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 which included the Federal government ability to lock up an American citizen indefinitely and without probably cause or legal representation just because the government "suspects" that person might be a terrorist. Then define a possible terrorist as any former US military or someone with a Ron Paul bumper sticker on their car.... Like Obama did. Trump didn't cause 50% of America to rely on some type of government assistance because there were no jobs, like Obama did. Trump didn't give us the biggest tax increase in the history of mankind like Obama did.

You see there are a whole lot worse presidents than Trump.

you're just saying what he didn't do, another thing he DIDN'T do is take the pandemic seriously another thing he DIDN'T do is possibly save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. how would he have done that? by giving a crap. How about you name me a few good things he DID do?

Trump's response to the pandemic was not an an issue. It is just one more thing that the left uses as a tool to hate on the guy.

SARS1 hit during Obama presidency and he did absolutely nothing. SARS1 was far deadlier than SARS2 (aka COVID 19).

Then when Trump mentioned hydroxychloroquine the left went nuts. Several doctors prescribed that to their patients and saw a significant reduction in the severity and the length of the infection. Those doctors had nothing to do with Trump. All Trump did was say that hydroxychloroquine seemed to help.

Think of it this way, after Trump said the word hydroxychloroquine, the left said it doesn't work and it's dangerous. I know this because if you type the hydroxychloroquine into a FascistBook comment FascistBook will tack on between 3 to 5 "fact" checks all saying how dangerous it is.

What was wrong was hydroxychloroquine has been approved by the FDA for 75 years. It is not a dangerous drug. My sister has been taking for rheumatoid arthritis for years with no side effects at all.

So to scare people away from a drug that reportedly helped 75% of those who took it, then how many people unnecessarily died because of the left's insanity just because Trump uttered the word hydroxychloroquine?

Whatever you thought Trump should have done from day 1 makes no difference when those who hate Trump caused unnecessary deaths by spreading fear of a harmless drug. In the worst case Hydroxychloroquine did nothing. But in 75% of the cases it saved lives.

Trump's response to the pandemic was a BIG ISSUE, he denied it for months, and then when it got out of hand, he blamed it on the left, the cdc, whoever he could, he even said that he took no responsibility for it at one press conference. And SARS1 hit in 2003, obama, was not president then, bush was...... And trump did not say to use hydroxychloroquine, he said to use "disinfectant", a very vague term, he might have meant something like bleach or cleaning spray by that

Where did you get that idea? I remember when he shut down air travel from China the left's knee jerk reaction was to accuse him of racism.

You're right. SARS1 was during Bush. And fortunately there weren't any reported cases in the US. However, Obama did see Ebola come to the US and he sat on his hands with that. Ebola has a survival rate that is the exact opposite of COVID-19.

Trump said both at different times. If Trump had not said, hydroxychloroquine, then the left wouldn't have come unglued.... as much.... at least that time. I mean, seriously. If Trump farted the left would say Trump is destroying the environment because methane is a green house gas. It was seriously that bad.

Disinfectant is a vague term and it mostly is used when you talking about cleaning supplies. But if someone is infected with a virus or bacteria then the goal is to disinfect them. That does not mean bleach in that circumstance. The left just did what they always do with Trump. Pick up something minor and make a huge issue with it.

Like I said, Trump wasn't the greatest. He spent money like Obama. After Obama got the debt to GDP ratio over 100%, Trump never enacted anything to try to bring it down. Good luck getting Biden to even care or understand what that is. That is the nation's ability to produce enough wealth so that the government can steal part of that to pay the debt. If the government is not bringing in enough revenue then we are underwater and that is where we have been ever since Obama. The government doesn't have enough money to pay its bills.

Trump also kept trying to enact tariffs. Tariffs have the exact same negative economic impact as tax increases (and despite the lie that Democrats always say, tax increases have always been on everyone and not just the rich). The more money the government takes out of the economy the worse the economy gets. Tariffs cause foreign businesses to raise the price of their goods to pay for the tariffs. They we go to the store and buy those goods and have to pay a higher price. In the end, both with tariffs and taxes our government takes the money and the citizens lose their money.

Trump nominated one good supreme court justice and two lame justices. Kavenaugh was the lamest. For as much crap you guys were spewing about Kavenaugh you should be happy. He is mostly on your side.

not to mention, trump didn't point out that hydroxychloroquine can be very dangerous for people with heart disease, and also, you're basically saying that obama pulled a trumpy (i'm calling it that) during an outbreak that happened 18 years ago THAT OBAMA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, BECAUSE HE WASN'T THE FRIGGIN PRESIDENT THEN

Here's what Trump did right. He lowered business taxes which caused the economy to pick up. We had the highest business taxes in the world and yet we call ourselves "The land of the free". Freedom and taxation are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

In causing an economic boom, he put this country back to work. Unemployment dropped lower than it has been in at least 50 years.

The left always tries to distort the facts when a Democrat leaves office and is replaced by a Republican. That fact are these, Trump definitely did not ride the coattails of anything Obama did economically speaking. Obama was a nightmare. The biggest boost to our economy actually had nothing to do with Trump. Hillary caused by losing the election in 2016. Businesses all breathed a massive sigh of relief and begin to reinvest in their businesses again. They had been in a holding pattern ever since Obama took office because they didn't know what destructive thing he was going to do next.

BTW now that you installed a senile old man to be our dictator don't expect much job growth or expansion of businesses. They hanging on again waiting for the Democrat storm to pass.

The Dow is NOT the economy. It can be a reflection of the economy or not. I don't pay much attention to it but it has done some really wacky things from time to time.

The economy is the velocity in which goods and services are sold. If the velocity is high then the economy is good. It is NEVER high when the Democrats are in control.

Tell that to Don the Con, who repeateldy cited it as a barometer of 'his' economy since immediately after the 2016 election to his reasoning for his "don't want to cause a panic" in the markets reasoning for being unresponsive, nay, denying the COVID epidemic in 2020.

But you have my permish to post a graph comparing GPBs.
Go ahead, I dare ya.

SPOILER ALERT: Economies have always been best under Democrat Presidencies.

EVERYONE cites it as a barometric indicator of the economy. Many times it is but not all of the time.

Goodness, guy, you'll even contradict yourself for the sake of you Orange God.

Let's try this again, shall we?

"Tell that to Don the Con, who repeateldy cited it as a barometer of 'his' economy since immediately after the 2016 election to his reasoning for his "don't want to cause a panic" in the markets reasoning for being unresponsive, nay, denying the COVID epidemic in 2020."

This was already addressed. We can skip fluffing it up now.

"But you have my permish to post a graph comparing GDPs.
Go ahead, I dare ya.

SPOILER ALERT: Economies have always been best under Democrat Presidencies."

This, however, hasn't.
Now stop deflecting and post me the chart.

I don't care what Trump said about the stock market.

GDPs*

I have no idea how that typo happened.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/
yes, the charts say it all, trump's literally hanging off the coattails of obama's presidency, it's a fact. there's no way around it, almost all of the charts were just either on a decline or increase during obama's presidency, it just stayed like that until 2019-2020

So what I said then?

no he's just showing how you trump supporters blow every tiny good thing out of proportion

And act like every bad thing he does never happened

You haven't read my comments then. I am not the Trump guy you think I am. I only voted for him in 2020. I'm not even a Republican. Just so you know that does NOT mean I am a Democrat or that I voted for Hillary. I'm a member of the Constitution Party.

FUN FACT: Not a single Cult45 on this site has ever said they voted for Trump in 2016. Not. a. single. one.

Y'all need a new script.

so he lowered taxes a bit, something that every probably president should do DURING A RECESSION, only a few thing he did has benefited anyone but him and his friends, other than the stimulus bill, and no, the unemployment rate is not the lowest it has been in the last 50 years, it was around 4,6 before 2008, and then it went back down during the obama presdency into 2016 when it was 4.7 at the end of the obama presidency into the beginning of the trump presidency. That brings me onto the fact that donald turnip DID, in fact ride off the coattails of obama's presidency, calling it his own. It's kinda like when someone borrows 40 million dollars from their father and says they made all that money themselves. don't believe me? look at these charts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/
as you can see, there's a trend on most of them, where the chart is either on a steady upwards or downwards trend from the obama, into the trump presidency, there is almost no change until around 2019-2020, so yes, trump did ride off the coattails of obama's presidency, there's no way around it.
And we did not vote for biden to be a "dictator", no, we voted for him because we didn't want a stupid, racist, sexist idiot to have the highest position of power in the nation, and so far, biden has done a lot more good things than trump has
and no, the left does not distort, and blow things out of proportion nearly as much as trump supporters, and the right does. I really don't understand why you people hate the left, and the democratic party so much. you don't like the thought of us wanting equality for everyone? you don't like the thought of basic humans rights for everyone? etc.. like really, why do you hate the left so much?

i wish it was just a meme, i have no idea what people even think when saying these things

And once upon a time it was only the fringies and crazies that thought the earth could be round - when everyone KNEW, KNEW, and it was "obvious" to anyone who looked, that of course it was flat.

Majority/minority sh*t doesn't bother those who do their own research instead of letting the MSM and its talking heads do all their thinking for them. Jus' sayin'.

no there's a difference, the people who believed in the earth being round, they were, guess what, smart, and had evidence to prove the earth was round, you people are just a bunch of morons hating on democrats for no f**king reason.

Ex-Dem. Ivy league. Applied what I learned. Thought my way out of the MSM bubble and leftie dogma box.

Sorry to burst your stereotype.

attending an ivy league university doesn't mean that you're smart. Trump went to Penn.

Technically true. But your claim Trump isn't smart (since he's a sure sight more successful than you) falls in the same category - and attending one sure a.f.improves the odds, most of the courses are not for the lazy and faint of heart.

And more importantly, it punctures the classic lib self-delusion that trumpies (I'm a libertarian, but I def voted for him) are a bunch of supremacists and hicks and every other fiction they tell themselves to allay their fears of the reality they might be someday forced to confront.

how is Trump more successful than me? i haven't killed anybody and i still have my job.

The claims he has are lies, and he still has his job as CEO. At which he probably still earns more in a year than you would in several centuries.

It wasn't rocket science to figure that one out.

sure, whatever you say, go back to judging people off what you think you heard, rather than their actual skills on doing what thy should do

When that kind of mumbling incoherence passes for an "answer," the thread is done.

what i'm saying is that you judge biden off the rumor that he's a pedophile, even though there is no evidence supporting it, just some images that could have very easily been taken out of context. you judge him on rumors instead of his actual ability to be a president, and he's done better than trump has at least.

Nonsense. Any competent psychologist can look at just the FIRST of those images - let alone all three - and tell you what this guy is. No normal legitimate president in United States history has such a collection of beyond a dozen such PUBLIC images.

His own DAUGHTER said he molested her. I'm not going to do your googling for you if you're lazy.

Rumors and lack of evidence my @$$. You can just admit the evidence is in and completely against him any time. It'd do you good.

you claim that you have evidence, yet you provide none, and instead you give us this bull shit "i won't research for you" garbage.
f**king admit you're wrong and put your ego aside

You know one thing don't understand about you people is how you're so loyal to trump, even though we have the evidence against him right in front of us, but also, in an instant you believe some crazy stuff you hear on fox news or Facebook chat groups even if it goes against everything you know
"Oh my god this guy on the internet says the earth is flat, and Joe Biden is commanding an army of robotic liberal space monkeys that use the human body as a source of power via masks and vaccines! it must be true!".
Why do you believe this kind of stuff? You claimed you went to an ivy league university
and "applied what you learned",
yet you seem to just believe whatever conspiracy theory is thrown at you even when, again, there is no evidence.

I'm not "loyal" to Trump. That's your hallucination, unrecognized. I do support him now because I understand the war he's fighting, about which you know practically nothing, because you believe you can trust a controlled media, the way the Chinese, though fewer and fewer, think the People's Daily is telling them the truth.

I've done lots of anti-flat-earth memes here. I'm assuming you've done zero.

But I also know from decades of research, which amounts to a hell of a sight more than some random thing off Fox News (your reflex stereotype, with no capacity to grasp the internal subversion it underwent in the last year or two). Because for you everthing is a bipolar world with not only no shades, but no extra dimensions or organizations controlling what you're fed.

So the short answer is simply, I don't. I don't believe anything.

But I do see things you don't, and I see how you've been conditioned to react to anyone outside the MSM infostream. The only possibility for you is NOT that they could be right, but that they can be dismissed instantly as tinfoil hatters. The alternative realization is not comforting for many.

The red pill is not in fact taken all at once. But it is quite transformative.

"I do support him now because I understand the war he's fighting, about which you know practically nothing"
Well I don't understand it, so tell me; maybe you'll convert me (unless i'm too lazy and I should find out on my own.)

"You believe you can trust a controlled media"
Doesn't that also apply to you? This is just like the spider man pointing meme; No matter who is saying that, it's almost always applicable to both.
To be fair, even fox news doesn't straight up lie to you; they're just selective with what they show. But you can cross compare many sources from different countries. News sources will act in their own interest and radical titles get more views. It's almost always anti government because people like that. If the government was controlling the media and mind controlling us, why would they make us hate them?

"So the short answer is simply, I don't. I don't believe anything."
But I do, right? You can never just claim someone else is brainwashed and you're not, because it always comes back to you. Especially in your case because you have literally NO PROOF.

"But I do see things you don't,"
No, I don't see what you see, pa rum pum pum pum

"and I see how you've been conditioned to react to anyone outside the MSM infostream"
And again, the opposite can be just as true for you, since you have no evidence.

"The only possibility for you is NOT that they could be right, but that they can be dismissed instantly as tinfoil hatters."
Yes, I'm so stupid for trusting the government rather than some random guy on the internet.

I'll admit; I have made some wrong stereotypes about you. But you've done the same for me.
You think that I believe anything that I see, but the truth is I don't. I know the media always acts in its own interest, so I don't believe just one source is reliable. This is especially true in an argument.
I haven't made claims in this whole message. In this message I've asked you to elaborate, and I used reasoning to tell you why your points don't hold up.

"The alternative realization is not comforting for many."
Yes, but this is true for you as well.

"The red pill is not in fact taken all at once. But it is quite transformative."
Kind of like propaganda, right?
You call the "leftist media" propaganda, but you literally admit to be "transformed".

name me your sources then

Jesus christ, you're so lazy you didn't even read what I told you to do because I wasn't going to do it for you.

Yup, bottom of the class :-/

@musttachman4 re sources: Out of reply options on that thread. But now you're too lazy to read the comment explaining the comment you were too lazy to read.

Seriously, stay out of discussions that require intelligence.

that's literally what everyone says when they can't prove their claims, prove to me that your claim is true, and provide a reliable source

well you must have heard it from a reliable source to have believed it

sources? i'm waiting

sources pls

Been one year and no sources.

Imagine you've just turned in your essay to your professor.

You: "I've been working on this for like 50 years."
Professor: "Where is your works cited page?"
You: "AYO F*CK YOU MAN WTF WHY DON'T YOU RESEARCH IT YOURSELF!?!?

if you can't prove that biden is a pedophile, then just admit it, you're wrong. all this "biden is a pedophile" shit it just f**king propaganda, there is no evidence.

@cro1 I read your comment, but you literally have not proved your conspiracy that biden is a pedophile, if you want anyone to take your conspiracy theories seriously, at least provide reliable sources that say that biden is a pedophile. usually when i see a conspiracy theorist, like an anti vaxxer or something, you can always ask them for their sources, and they will never tell you, they will just tell you to research for yourself, or they will say that all the sources are censored or some garbage. provide, proper sources or evidence, otherwise, we can just say your conspiracy theory, is incorrect

and most of the time, fringies and crazies are just fringies and crazies. i know a lot of people who do their own research and are still way off base because their assumptions color their interpretations.

Funny, I knew several mainstream media entities from the inside - and I can say the exact same thing.

Curious.

you are just one step away from epiphany, but it's a big step.