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Trumper and Marx | If workers owned the means of production they would be paid enough to care about your order. McDonald got my order wrong, those workers don't deserve a living wage | image tagged in trumper and marx,mcdonalds,living wage | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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2 ups, 4y
Plus, my order won’t be wrong once they let go all of these career-bend McDonalds employees and replace them with unpaid robots. Guess they are going to have to find $15 an hour somewhere else.
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1 up, 4y
If the workers (in any job) cared enough about said job, they would earn their increased wage. Minimum wage is a starting point. Not a "I can't afford this new Cadillac, iPhone, and big TV so you have to pay me more even though I sit on my a$$" point.
0 ups, 4y
Replace them with touch screens which won't take the order wrong in the first place, that's the first step to making them give a shit. Because they're paid to do a proper job despite the meme suggestion as to why they're crap at their jobs.
1 up, 4y,
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If you’re making a career at McDonalds - there is your problem. Should be long gone from McDonalds by MAYBE 23 and even that seems to old to be working there.
2 ups, 4y,
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if a job deserves to be done, the worker deserves to be paid a living wage
1 up, 4y,
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I found it rather (sadly) funny how many "essential workers" from this shutdown are paid minimum wage. People in Chicago who working in nursing homes had a protest last year demanding to get paid $15p/hr, NURSING HOMES! I didn't even know they made anywhere even as low as $15, let alone less. I don't know anyone who would work that job at double that, even triple.

That being said, if you meant this in a way other than to make a counterpoint totally on the other end:

"If workers owned the means of production they would be paid enough to care about your order"

it would be ignoring one of the big failings in Communist countries, as lack of competition due to everyone assigned a job at ye olde factory minus any incentive to do anything more than the bare minimum created an uninspired workforce who produced substandard product as well as the sluggish economy that went with that. The only innovation in science and technology, etc, was in departments with goverment control (and push), and most of that was by imitating that which the West had been producing, this copying also being at a substandard level.

Workers don't want to own the means of production, they want be paid enough to own nice homes and gadgets and only care to push themselves if inspired to do so, and that would be via competition with something to gain.

Not saying a living wage is wrong, just refer to Henry Ford, the man who CREATED the middle class by paying higher wages. Just saying Marx, a man who never worked a day in his bourgeois life courtesy of Engel's father, got it wrong.
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0 ups, 4y
We've been providing a huge sector of the workface with basic needs on account of the COVID shutdown, and as a result, we have only 1/3 of the job signups projected for the quarter because of Unemployment Insurance + $300 per week.

From the USSR to NK, we've witnessed the anemic (and that's being nice) economies as well as general sloth and malaise of workers in so-called Communist countries.
China is an exemption, but only decades after the the US assigned it Most Favored Nation Trading Status to develop their economy and proceeded to export our jobs to there. Then they built upon that. Take away our market for their goods, and they crumble.

Creating a system that would allow people to work for what they care about and find meaning would leave a lot of jobs unfilled. There IS, after all, a reason why janitors in schools make more money than most teachers do after all. Mopping up puke in hallways and cleaning diarrhea not topping the lists of things people are just dreaming to do is a big influence in that regard.
1 up, 4y,
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And they say the two parties can’t find a middle somewhere. The common ground is that Communism is financially and productively failed in practice.

Go figure.
1 up, 4y,
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What two parties?

I am not a party, do not represent one, never have been registered to one, don't bind myself blindly to one, nor vote based on one.

Nor do I frame my reality in accordance to one.

For those that do, facts will carry on as facts regardless.
1 up, 4y,
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Doesn’t matter who or what you represent. The point was - if you missed it - was opposed viewpoints can find middle ground.

Honestly I couldn’t care less what you believe in.
0 ups, 4y
What opposed viewpoints?

My preference is for facts.
I'd rather not let my view of such be tainted by the pretend agendas some 'dueling' aristocrats who are actually in league with each other and care for nothing other than what lines their pockets tell us peons to squabble for.

I do appreciate you pointing out what you did about the subject of Communism, despite me sounding a tad snippy in response.
1 up, 4y,
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Define a “living wage”? What is that, exactly? To assume one a living wage would also assume there will be zero market inflation.
2 ups, 4y,
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https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/24/what-the-minimum-wage-would-be-if-it-kept-pace-with-productivity/
1 up, 4y,
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With minimum wage increase comes product cost increase. It’s just how capitalism works. I’m not one to support lowly educated citizens. I see minimum wages jobs as a “stepping stone” to a successful nation.
2 ups, 4y,
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1 up, 4y,
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So I guess the answer is to keep raising minimum wage until everyone is making $10,000 an hour. It’s apparent the poorly educated individuals that make the choice to work at minimum wage jobs forever will never be happy. It’s the pursuit of happiness. It’s not a right to happiness. Don’t like where you are and how much you make?

Leave your job. Get an education. Pursuing higher paying jobs is not mandatory, it’s a choice.
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people who think the minimum wage drives inflation are unaware of the fed's overnight lending rate.
1 up, 4y,
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If you truly believe that employers will pay the lower educated a higher amount while undercutting their overall profits without increasing product price, you are ignorant of the idea regarding free market capitalism.

Higher “livable” wages as far as minimum wage is concerned only hurts small businesses. Which is the plan for socialism - as that is big government, big businesses, and big tech.
1 up, 4y
[image deleted] A federal job guarantee would stabilize inflation, preventing net loss, while redistributing wealth.
1 up, 4y
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2021/05/12/four-reasons-to-stop-panicking-over-inflation/?sh=2ea793ba3a97
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