Suddenly clear Donald

And those approval ratings were before the storming of the capitol.

Ahahahahahaha

His ego cant handle another loss...I do t think he will run...

Of course he ain't running again.
He is just grifting his base for all it's worth.

Imagine being a billionaire yet need recurring donations

Desantis doesn't need him anyway...he is detracting from the Desantis vote, iMHO.

Floridians know how to elect some doozies

You are not kidding...

he would have won this time if not for the bungling of the covid.

Your intelligence is showing

If i win, it was fair
If i lose- it was rigged

I would wager your bottom dollar.

Which I am sure isn't much

he lost by a landslide- did you forget that too?

Only one Republican president in the last 32 years won the popular vote.

Yet this dumbass thinks the storming of the capitol increased 45s support.

Ahahahahahahahaha

In my entire life of following politics, I have never ever ever even once witnessed a rematch-election, in which the candidates are identical to a previous election, resulting in a different outcome. Never even once.

Put it this way, will he have unbungled the covid by 2024?

no.
but consider this:
the bush years had shattered many myths long held by the majority of americans.
the american people began to become disenfranchised by the very myths that they had grown up on.
here comes obama,offering "hope and change",which were just marketing slogans but they appealed to the average americans desire for change,and an instinctual suspicion that something was going horribly wrong,which amplified that desire.

they got neither change,nor hope.(for the majority at least).

which created the opening for a narcissistic demagogue like trump,riding the wave of a rising populism,both from the left and the right.anti-establishment sentiment and a resentment for the status quo over decades has slowly been brewing a volatile and toxic mix of populism,and hyper-nationalism.

add to the mix a failed fourth estate and a complicit corporate media which have been converted to nothing more than stenographers and courtiers.algorithms that target our lizard brains,and created dangerous echo chambers,which has fanned those flames and has manifested violence.
we can look back and see the gestation of these outbreaks in the tea party and occupy,but now they are manifesting in even MORE radical expressions.
"BLM riots","capital riots". etc etc

if trump had done what he stated he was going to do at the beginning of covid,and ignored dum dums like larry kudlow,and instituted 2,000 checks monthly,and given "essential workers" federally subsidized 13 bucks xtra an hr.

he would have won 2020.

and this is not even mentioning how the DNC openly f**ked bernie in the primary,for the SECOND time.

trumps presidency was a mixed bag of f**king awful,and passable,but he was a bungling,bumbling buffoon.he was so transparent in his buffoonery that he was fairly ineffectual as demagogues go,keeping the damage to a minimum.too busy jerking himself off.

trump is exceptional,brilliant even,in harnessing the populist rage of the country to create political enthusiasm.this can be diffused if biden can at least do average,but i am not that confident in biden.

and my real fear is what if an intelligent demagogue comes along to harness that populist rage to form it into a weapon?
then we will all be in real danger.
our country is a tinderbox.
all it needs is a match.
just my .02

The populist rage against Democrats peaked in 2016 when they realised what the consequences were for putting a dumbass as its figurehead.

Bernie Sanders still works with Democrats. Happily. Proudly. He wears it on his sleeve. There ARE Bernie voters who are raging against the Democrats, having listened to absolutely nothing that the man himself has said, but they're almost entirely people who never had any intention of voting Democrat in the first place and therefore the net change to the voting base of the Democrats is precisely zero.

Trump is DONE. He is spending his time squatting on a golf course, not orchestrating the minutiae of a political comeback. And that's not even BEGINNING to speculate on how many entirely new faux pas he can make in the next three years. He will probably try, but it will look more like his 1999 campaign than his 2016 campaign. It is over. The senior GOP leadership has seen first hand that he's more trouble than he's worth. Voters who wanted to play with fire saw that Trump talks hot air but doesn't burn. Most voters are sick of him and his legions of weirdo fans. It's not going to happen. It's over. There is no way.

i agree with your points about republican leadership,and those who wield actual power.
they tried to use trumps populism to suit their own ends and it kinda blew up in their face.

but that is the establishment.
those are the very few at the top who hold and wield actual political power,fueled by immense coffers of un-ending funding.

i disagree,however,that populist rage peaked in 2016.
thomas franks has written extensively on this,as has david sirota.chris hedges show on RT has been tackling this as well.

and while bernie is working with the democrats,this does not negate how the primaries were obviously..let's say ."mishandled".

but these are minor points of contention.
i hope you are proven right,and i am resoundedly proven wrong.
can i borrow some optimism?
because i am not as optimistic as you my friend.

I'm not a ray of f**king sunshine myself, but the future threats to our well-being isn't going to come from HIM. That's not guesswork - There's just too many things he'd have to work through to get and he'd have to start now - yesterday - and he's not doing any of it.

But look, Trump was basically recycled Reaganism, himself a cheap Hollywood knockoff of Nixon, who was a more concerted attempt at Goldwater, and on and on - and there will be other faces to put on it. It just won't be his. The garbage isn't getting taken out, it's just that Oscar the Grouch has been evicted from the can.

you may be 100% right about trump(still not totally convinced,but you made fair points),but this country is RIPE for a demagogue to take power.

You have to remember: we're still a country where only 25% of the country votes with any reliability, so at the end of the day, ALL of this is about arguing over who gets 13% and wins and who gets 12% and loses. So, yes, it doesn't take a large number to rock the boat. "Populism" in this particular context is a gross misnomer.

But for now, voter turnout numbers are unusually high - because of the events of the last ten years. It will probably drop off from election to election as the memories shift from recent past to distant past, but NOT by 2024. No way.

and you appear (my assumption here) to be working from an old model of viewing politics,and are being tad cavalier in regards to populist rage.

add to the mix our broken fourth estate.
a business model where outrage,fear and divisiveness equals revenue but has nothing to do with informing the public.

big tech,along with a corporate media which has been losing viewers for years for being complicit mouthpieces for the oligarchical class.have been engaging in a full court press to shut down independent media,and any voice that challenges power.

trump wasn't wrong when he declared CNN "fake news".
he was just singular in his criticism,meaning it was only "fake" if it went against him.

most americans simply do not possess the tool set the disseminate the avalanche of propaganda and outright bullshit they are subjected to everyday.not everyone has read "manufacturing consent" or "hate inc".(but they SHOULD read both books.seriously,read the f**king books).

americans may not be politically sophisticated as a whole,but they are not stupid,and they get that something is seriously wrong.
/gestures broadly ....

which leads me to my echo chamber/algorithm argument i laid out here the other day.
people tend to follow the path of least resistance,and can easily be drawn down a rabbit hole of heated rhetoric by a charismatic demagogue.

ok..i have to stop.i am depressing myself.
all i am saying is there are variables to the equation that should not be dismissed.
they matter.
and i appreciate your input my friend.you always bring good points to the table.

It is an old model of politics but it's still unfortunately quite valid. And the more local the politics, the more valid it gets - and what these Muppets need more than anything else is to get a wide mainstream political coalition at the Congressional or State level, from which presidential support can be made or broken.

It is not a coincidence that Trump got to do what he did after the "Tea Party" surge in 2010-2012. He had no such support in 1999 and it got him nothing.

Don't change your model of politics just for the sake of changing it.

i am not invalidating the old model,and i am pointing out that it needs to be upgraded to include variables that should not so easily be dismissed.

you brought up the tea party,and how that political dynamic helped open the door for trump,and i agree with that to some degree.

however,i think it is interesting to look at the origins of the tea party and their consequent co-opting by very powerful,and monied interests which ended up changing their entire reason for the teat party existing in the first place.

when you look at the tea parties humble beginnings, their messaging was very similar to occupy wall streets.then along comes dick army and his "americans for prosperity" and within months,the tea parties entire messaging went from "do NOT bail those banks out" to "government is the problem m'kay".

which i think is essentially what we are discussing here,and what we SHOULD be discussing.
the politics of power.
the pathologies of power.

because ultimately that is what american politics has been reduced to:power.
and the disempowering of the american people.

chris hedges book "death of the liberal class" made the argument how in the 70's liberal institutions had been dismantled,and a concerted effort by big business and finance against unions had basically left americans with only the power to vote.that 'liberals" were never meant to wield power but were meant to be a check,a pushback by way of people,against the rapacious forces of financial power by using our political institutions to engage and possibly implement policies which could benefit the underclass.

which leads me to my disenfranchised argument,and the complicit media who almost singlehandedly changed the landscape of american politics to something more akin to sports analysts than actual political discussion.

which is why it is more vital than ever that we talk with each other,and not get caught up in the rhetoric,or reside in our own comfy echo chambers smelling each others farts and calling it rosey.

politics is about power,and as george carling stated:it's a big club.
and you and i are not in the big club.

so your point about local government is spot on,and i would add grassroots organizing is just as important.

we still need to talk though,or we get people like damagedgoods who goes from :
0-------------------2.3 seconds-------------------------------shrieking harpy
by simply having a point challenged.

muppets gotta muppet i guess....
but they are delicious.

You are delusional as Q

but if you are so confident,we could always put a wager down.
you know...
put your money where your mouth is?
an american tradition of backing your play with cold,hard cash.

You so poor you have given recurring donations to Trump.

The fact you think he would win 2024 shows you are infantile and ignorant

i am not a trump supporter dum-dum.
i just know politics.
something you appear to be highly deficient in.

he just knows stuff

Sure q.

See you later fool.

Your intelligence display proves you ain't worth the digital ink