Minneapolis Chauvin Trial

The justice system isn’t a proactive entity. It is in fact reactive because it can only punish or exonerate those who are put into it by law enforcement. If you want to change law enforcement then do so with state legislation. Don’t go acting like a bunch of anarchistic brats ruining the livelihoods of others because you’re (justifiably) mad.

All rioters should face a minimum of one year in prison (minimum qualification to make it a felony, if it isn’t already) or be forced to pay the cost of damages they cause, in my opinion.

AMEN!

I'm not talking about rioters. I am talking about the other protests, the other 92% of demonstrations that were peaceful. I guess low hanging fruit can't be resisted though.

Really, the 92%? Where did that come from, and how does it change the outcome?

It's not something Fox News or OAN would tell you:
https://www.courthousenews.com/in-summer-of-political-vitriol-93-of-protests-were-peaceful/
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/93-of-black-lives-matter-protests-have-been-peaceful-report-finds
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news-and-ideas/black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelmingly-peaceful-our-research-finds

Unfortunately though, many capitol hill rioters won't even see jail time.

I don't watch Fox or OAN. Okay, according to these articles, there were. Let's say they weren't lying...It does not change the fact that there are thousands of people going around, murdering and looting, causing billions in damage, and ruining people's lives...And to no avail...Because Black people keep getting shot, and so do white people...If you resist arrest, have a gun pointed at someone, you are gonna get killed.

Now, say it with me:

Running

From

The

Police

Does

Not

Warrant

The

Death

Penalty!

BLM isn't a movement about domestic crime, it's about how police handle members of the black community in disproportionately unfair ways compared to whites. This whole "Black on black" crime or even crime in general is a whataboutism that is meant to distract from the main reason of the protests. The fact is, since bodycams have come out, more and more light has been shed on bad policing and people are noticing that these events of how police handle things is not a unique occurance. Being that it isn't unique, reform is needed..

No, but running from the police with an open warrant, trying to escape arrest, or shooting a gun does. WOW!! YOU DID IT!!!
Yes, it is, because that is what it does. DUDE, MORE WHITES ARE KILLED BY THE COPS THAN BLACKS YEARLY.

Who said anything about shooting a gun? You're talking about something else, I'm talking about a very specific problem that occurs to often. No warrant, no gun. Running from the police still shot.

Hey, redirection. You did it!

Hey, guess what, there are more whites in this country than blacks. Naturally, whites would get shot more. Derp.

"Hey good use of the strawman argument. Clearly, I never said that.

If you're going to hold a discussion, please stop using logical fallacies. Every single reply has been a logically flawed argument and intellectually dishonest."

>>If you are going to keep deflecting, I am done with this conversation.

>>You have not proven fallacies, nor HAVE YOU RESPONDED TO MY POINTS.

Nor will I as they're a redirection from the subject at hand; whataboutisms. You're trying to make these unrelated topics relevant to the subject at hand when they aren't, and I won't buy into it. My subject was that there were plenty of peaceful protests that also were for the movement of black lives matter.
I addressed your point of resisting arrest with an example of resisting that has resulted in wrongful death. Then, you moved the goalposts so that your definition was still accurate, again, ignoring the issue at hand where your definition ignores actual issues that are transpiring. Then you went on to talk about how more cops die due to black people yearly. Another whataboutism that is completely related to the original subject.

I'm done playing rabbit hole with you. If you don't want to respond because you've had your ass handed to you intellectually, be my guest.

"Who said anything about shooting a gun? You're talking about something else, I'm talking about a very specific problem that occurs to often. No warrant, no gun. Running from the police still shot."

>>Oh, I don't know, Adam Toledo who was shooting guns with a gang member at 3:00 AM, and ditched the gun without telling the cops...Give me an example, the name of the black person please.

"Hey, redirection. You did it!"

"Hey, guess what, there are more whites in this country than blacks. Naturally, whites would get shot more. Derp."

>>AND? Are you saying that since there are more white people in this country, its okay for them to be shot and killed? Why aren't you protesting for WLM?

Hey good use of the strawman argument. Clearly, I never said that.

If you're going to hold a discussion, please stop using logical fallacies. Every single reply has been a logically flawed argument and intellectually dishonest.

I wasn't aware that the 92% were victimized by the justice system in any way, shape, or form.

You dont have to be to show support. Lol are you daft?

No, I'm most certainly not daft. What I am confused about is the point you're trying to make. The justice system has no issue with peaceful protests, so they shouldn't be a factor in this discussion. The justice system exists solely to judge and sentence those who violate the law. It does not exist to regulate law enforcement or influence its operation; that is the duty of state and Federal legislatures that actually determine what the law is and how it is enforced.

Seems to me that we're talking about two separate things. I am talking about these 92% of protests that we are referring to.. They were protesting to make their message heard. When you protest en masse like that, everyone hears it. Not just the justice department. Issue is, that for years, the legislative branches have done little to counteract these problems perpetuated by the police with their extreme measurements taken against members of the black community.

Those 92% are allowed to show support and be the voice for those who have none. What I am hearing from you is that only people who are victimized are allowed to protest. With your comment:

"I wasn't aware that the 92% were victimized by the justice system in any way, shape, or form.

Your original message called Floyd the catalyst for the riots. This is true, but then I said that riots are not justice. The justice system dispenses justice. Riots are illegal and accomplish nothing but hurt innocent livelihoods.

I didn’t mention the peaceful protests at all because they are not a problem. Everyone has a right to peacefully protest and the justice system has not had to interact with them in any way because they are not illegal. Therefore I don’t understand why you feel compelled to bring them up when I’m solely discussing the illegal riots you brought up.

If you have a problem with the law, change it peacefully and legally.

Simply put, people conveniently forget to mention them as they fail to acknowledge the impact that the peaceful protests had.

When I said Floyd was the catalysts for the riots, that's true. What's also true is that he's the catalysts for all the protests. I'm so used to dealing with people who focus solely on the riots, that it's all I can talk about because the right-wing simply won't acknowledge that they happened. Trust me, I've had discussions ad nauseum about this. All they can focus on is the riots.

Protests were effective, many were sabotaged by police and by false flag operatives (confirmed by FBI.) Especially in PDX, Trump/Police escalated the riots there in July. Ask me how I know. I live in NW Oregon in Clallam County

@cerebrophage true people use the riots and looting and what not to make it seem like the entirety of this situation is just for criminals to beat the system when that's just the people you see on the news people don't like to use both sides in an argument because they know it will make them look dumb

Sounds legit. Does this mean you’ll respect and support the 99% of law enforcement officers who honorably serve our communities day and night? Because there is NO Federal/state code or police code of conduct that orders law enforcement to commit “manslaughter” as you were whining about below. Therefore it is illogical to the point of absurdity to punish institutions and not the individual officers.

Look up qualified immunity and look at the conviction rates for police officers who kill people. THEY GET AWAY WITH MURDER.