How did a geriatric, senile old man with no ideas and no record beat an extremely popular president during a booming economy?

The senile old man ran after the popular president left office after 2 terms. Remember?

Obama was extremely popular in the 2008 elections but his popularity began to plummet. If someone hadn't gotten to Mitt Romney in the 2012 campaign he would have stomped all over Obama just like he did in the first debate. But something happened and Mitt totally wimped out in the 2nd and 3rd debates. In addition that was the first election that our country started using Dominion, Smartmatic and other voter fraud machines. That was the first time I ever heard about votes being changed from Mitt to Obama (and it was always Mitt votes to Obama votes and not the other way around).

When half the country had to go on government assistance because Obama killed their jobs and they couldn't find a new job, Obama's popularity wasn't what you think it was. Obama just about collapsed our economy and that is what his goal was. A goal that Biden has committed to finish, only this time Biden has the World Economic Forum, China and the UN pushing and controlling him.

Biden didn't ride into the White House on Obama's popularity. Biden has the popularity of a dead fish and always has. He has never been able to form complete sentences, long before senility set in. He is, without a doubt, the dumbest president that we have ever had.

When Obama chose him as his running mate my first thought was that that Obama did that for insurance. Even the most whacked out psychopath would have to realize that if he shot Obama that he would put Biden in the White House and NO BODY WANTS THAT. I'm not making that up. That is what I seriously thought back in 2008.

It is because Biden is a blithering idiot that he was installed as our president. He's being controlled. He's signing unconstitutional executive orders that he had no clue what they are about.

"something happened" yeah it was called harassment and intimidation, there was a whole docu-series not too long ago (can't recall the name) that a small handful of past candidates came out in and said they and their families were harassed/threatened into said candidate dropping out, and if I'm not mistaken I'm almost sure Romney was one of them

First of all, if you look at the economic growth under Obama, you'll find the numbers tell a different story. The Dow Jones rose by 150% under Obama. Under him, the only year when the GDP didn't grow was when he took office from the trainwreck that was George Bush.

And yes, We all know that every time an election is for a Democrat, it's fraud

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/2012-voter-fraud/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/apr/10/dick-morris/dick-morris-theres-proof-over-1-million-people-vot/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/sep/19/naacp/-person-voter-fraud-very-rare-phenomenon/

You're using snopes and politifact????? Why don't you just send to an Alex Jones website as well. If I want fantasy then I go to snopes and politifact. If I want the truth I go anywhere but snopes and politifact. Both have been called out so many times it is ridiculous. Fascistbook uses politifact all of the time and ocassionly uses snopes to harrass their members. I caught politifact just out and out lying so many times it is not funny. I have since dumped Fascistbook.

There have been only 3 times in US history where the debt to GDP went over 100%. The Great Depression, Obama and the pandemic (I think I remember it going over 100% last year but I can't remember). The debt to GDP ratio is the government's ability to pay their debts based on the revenues they get by stealing our money. If the ratio is over 100% then that means we are in the hole. We don't have the money to pay our debts. Hoover and FDR caused the Great Depression. Obama, all by his lonesome, caused the Great Recession.

In addition Obama had the federal reserve turn on the printing presses nonstop printing about $75 Billion new dollars per month. This is exactly how you create hyperinflation. It is a cause and effect in a 1 to 1 relationship. Print too much money, the value of each unit of currency devalues, the cost of products skyrockets and then a total melt down (worse than the Great Depression) occurs.

Fortunately by some small miracle Obama didn't get his wish and we survived him. If Hillary had won we would have been history. And if you noticed in December of 2016 businesses began expanding at a record pace. Neither Obama or Trump caused any of that. Hillary caused that by losing. Businesses breathed a huge sigh of relief because the Obama nightmare was ending and a more business friendly president was coming in. The economy began to right itself IN SPITE of any president or political party. In actuality all you need for the economy to grow is to keep Democrats out of power. When they are in power business hold on to their capital and try to ride out the storm.

The labor participation rate was dismal under Obama. That is the rate you have to look at for Obama because so many people were unemployed for so long that they fell out of the unemployment compensation roles. It is from those filing unemployment that we normally get our job stats. The labor participation rate is the number of available jobs vs the number of employable adults.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mitt-romney-didnt-say-fraud-2012-election_n_5fd903b1c5b690d5d307df7c?ri18n=true

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2012/1025/Voting-fraud-in-Election-2012-How-common-is-it

I've scanned pretty long. The only websites I could find that believed there was voter fraud was one Fox News article, a bunch of articles about Putin, and one article about the president of Ghana. In summary, all I could find to support your statement was Fox News. Not exactly famous for honesty, credibility or political neutrality. And Obama didn't start the recession. You, who claims to know so much about the economy, should know that. It literally started under Bush. So tell me, how can Obama start a recession before being president. Also, if the economy 'crumbled', please show economic growth rates under Obama.

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/has-president-obama-doubled-national-debt#:~:text=Gross%20debt%20increased%20by%20less%20than%20half%20from,to%20argue%20this%20is%20entirely%20of%20Obama%E2%80%99s%20doing.

Also, the debt to GDP to ratio was above 100% the entire time Trump was in office.

And no, I wouldn't send you to an Alex Jones website. He supports Trump, remember?

Jones was just the first whacko I could think of. How about The Young Turds on YouTube. They're even more whacked out than Alex Jon.d..es. And they are on the left.

I agree, the recession did start under Bush. It was caused by the housing bubble. That bubble was the fault of Carter, Clinton and Bush Jr. Carter started the Community Reinvestment Act which was created to help lower income people buy a house. Clinton lowered the standards to get more people involved. Bush lowered it again, this time too much. It caused a huge boom in house buying and new home building. But then those who should have never been given a loan because they could not afford it started defaulting all over the place. That hit in about 2007. Around that time the Democrats claimed the majority of both houses of Congress. I think that must of disheartened Bush because it just seemed like he gave up. He passed every bill the Democrats put on his desk.

Then Obama elected in 2008 and he took the recession that Bush gave him and worsened it.

So I apologize because you are correct that the recession most definitely started under Bush.

I am not sure if you would find an article today. I am remembering this from back when both the 2012 and 2016 elections happened. Sometimes older insignificant articles get dumped. No one on the right made much of a stink about it. Most Republicans denied there was fraud back then.

I believe there has been fraud, mostly from the Democrats, probably most or all of my life. It just has never amounted to much. I personally don't think Obama won re-election in 2012 but I can't prove it.

Something has happened with all of the agencies reporting debt to GDP. I know for a fact that it was up over 100% under Obama for most of his term. He even got our credit rating downgraded twice, something that not even FDR did. Now every chart I have found shows it under 100% during Obama or going over 100% at the end of his term and staying there all of Trump's term. I will admit that I never looked at the debt to GDP ratio during the 4 years of Trump. 2 charts show that are currently at around 129%. I think that is higher than the Great Depression. If that is true we are majorly screwed right now. Start buying long term food storage because we are heading for collapse, especially with Biden in the White House. I guess this is the Great Reset.

Well. Good bye. I don't believe a thing you said, I simply don't have enough time to rebuke it all

What? All 3 dow plants and gm closed in my city under Obama, and I spent every summer of his his 2 terms in Detroit and watched that city crumble to dust under him and his administration. Statics and Google links don't hold a candle to actually using your eyes and visually SEEING the damage he caused

You are honestly not elaborating. You just say that Detroit sucked under Obama. And actually, seeing it tends to be worse because not only do we have biases, but we can only se so much. Look at the bigger picture, however, and you get a different idea.

I think if you introduced a bit more objectivity to your question, then the answer that corresponds with reality (which is not to say the answer you seek) would become more apparent

Seriously? Objectivity? In the real world Biden would have been defeated in a landslide and in fact he was defeated in a landslide. So much so that they stopped the vote count and had to rewrite the algorithms in the vote stealing machines. The original algorithms that were supposed to have put Biden in the White House were just not enough.

There is no historical equivalent to what Biden allegedly did. In all other incidences when a president presides over a booming economy (even though the Democrats tried to use the pandemic to kill that economy in the states and cities they are running into the ground) and is wildly popular with their party winning re-election has always been an easy victory. And in no other election ever was the vote count stopped in the middle of the night and when it resume within a matter of minutes the candidate who was leading suddenly is now losing and by the exact same percentages.

But China needed their guy in the White House. They bought and paid for him with a huge chunk of cash. So the election was rigged and then rigged again and then rigged again until Biden got a victory.

That is what you call objective thinking. The reality is that your president is a fraud. A fake. He was buried under Trump's landslide. And now you have a puppet installed who can't stay awake all day long and doesn't even know what is in the executive orders he is signing. Oh and that is another thing. The president is not allowed under the constitution to create law. Executive orders are specifically about how the Executive Branch of the government will be run. It was never about writing legislation to do things like violate the 2nd amendment. This is a violation of both the spirit and the letter of the law. Our government was set up with people who are supposed to represent us in the government. That is why we call them the House of Representatives. The reason is because We The People tell the government what it can and cannot do, not the other way around.

That's all gone now because of that idiot Obama who spent far too much time with his lips firmly attached to Karl Marx's butt. Obama thought he was a dictator and not a president. He opened that door and because of that Trump walked right through it as well. And Biden is not shying away from it. We are now a dictatorship and worse than just a dictatorship with a dictator who was NOT elected by the majority of the people.

check your memechat pronto

He didn't. And it's still not over.

I would think that you would take things into consideration. It was very obvious that the left HATED Trump with more intense hatred than anything I have ever seen before. Gina Carano got fired from The Mandalorian because she said that the hatred the left has towards Trump is like the hatred the Nazis had towards the Jews. The fact that she got fired for that is just part of the left's hatred but I think she nailed it. I think the hatred was so intense that if Trump was allowed to keep the landslide victory that he won in this last election it wouldn't be long before the left started killing Trump supporters.

So if you are going to look at an over all approval rating right off the bat you have to subtract about half of the country who absolutely hated everything imaginable about the man. None of those people would ever vote for Trump even if their life depended on it.

So if you want to know who he was popular with then you have to look at the other half of the country. Driven by the intense hatred from the left the right overreacted and put Trump up on a pedestal. It didn't hurt anything that Trump knew exactly how to win a crowd. He said all the right things to make his voters fall deeply in love with him.

Bush never had that. His father never had that. Reagan had it in spades. The Republicans loved him and so did about half of the Democrats. Back then there were blue dog or conservative Democrats but they have all been marginalized and pushed out out of the party by force by the Socialist Democrats.

Ford, Nixon, Hoover and pretty much all of the way back to Lincoln, no other Republican president had what Reagan and Trump had (that I know of). I think I read somewhere that Warren G. Harding was loved by the Republicans also but I don't know that for a fact.

Either Bush, George Sr. and George Jr. would have most likely lost if they ran in 2020. If Reagan were alive today I don't think he would have near the support from the Republicans that he had in the 80's. I would hope that he would but I am not sure.

So when I said Trump was extremely popular, I ONLY meant with the Republicans and that would have easily put him in the White House if the Democrats and whomever is controlling them wasn't so dead set on keeping Trump out by every means necessary.

they're gonna find a way to blame it on trump don't worry

Biden hadn't let hundreds of thousands of people die?

It’s only been 3 months. Give him time.

i'll give him 8 years

Kamala will be president in less than a year.

the Browns will win the World Series in June. keep it to yourself tho

I will