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Probably octavia_melody. he's been flagging all my shit. He's a creeper

Hey its your ego. Letting you know. Your full of shit

Upvote fellow silenced voice. Gotta wait. I've been flagged again. 3 minutes. he clearly sucks someone off or works for imgflip

This will get flagged

Immigrants have a lower crime rate than the general population.

Too bad the argument is in regards to “undocumented” immigrants. If you took one minute to read the meme, perhaps you could keep up with the subject.

And undocumented immigrants are included in my comment.

Then you'd be wrong. Every illegal "immigrant" is a criminal since they're actively breaking the law just by being here illegally. Apparently, you don't understand how that works.

Actually being here illegally is a civil offense not a criminal one, but keep huffing that jenkum.

Whatever you say, soy boy.

Different nation - irrelevant argument.

Or you need to go read a history book. That isn’t “America” you smooth brain.

The left's argument on pretty much anything that has to do with History is if those doing the conquering were white, they invaded. If they had skin pigmentation darker than peach, they moved in peacefully.

They tend to forget that the Spanish invaded before the Europeans came here. And before them were other cultures.

But I guess all they believe is whitey is evil.

The Spanish are, in fact, from Europe. Europeans, if you will.

No shit.

You're part Spanish and you don't know that Spain is part of Europe?
Oh, and kinda way before the savage hinterland barbarians north of the Pyranees were domesticated enough to be included in EuropA?

I'm over half Hispanic, not Spanish. And what I meant by Europe invading is the "white settlers." The part of Europe that had the white majority. And yes, I realize Spanish people are technically"white."

Hispanic means Spanish.
All of Europe (and parts beyond) is so-called white.

"Spanish people are technically"white.""?

And yet you claim Iran - which existed before there was anything that could be described as a Europe - and Syria - which is an artificial country created by England and France after WWI - are the same thing.

I said this continent (North America) was conquered long before Europe came.

Not to me you didn't, nor is that what I was referring to.

Untrue. It was eventually conquered by Europeans and people of European descent, but that conquest and colonization started with Europeans (Spanish, British, Dutch).

You know how many countries in the history of the world have NOT been conquered by some other civilization?

Zero.

So, you're okay with the Conquest then (mass murders are fine as long as they happened in the past . . ), but the changing demographics NOW are not okay, even if it's addition to the current population and not replacement of it.

No, I just don't live 200+ years in the past and knowing the situation today is not the same as it was then.

hi TJ. your argument seems to be that if those doing the conquering had skin pigmentation darker than peach, they invaded. If they were white, they moved in peacefully. did i get that right? p.s. i'm not a 'leftist'

Yes, I know Spain is technically from Europe. And yes, I realize Spanish people are technically "white." However, I believe they are considered these days a part of the protected group.

And I know you claim to not be a "leftist" even though most of your views are leftist thinking. At least, the views you show us on this site. Kinda like when people here keep calling me a Republican.

my views are non-righty, but that doesnt make them leftist, just rational

I'll give you the fact you debate with more rational arguments. Classic liberal, maybe?

i don't choose sides when i don't need to. it's just that lately, the liberals have been making better choices for the strength and health and future of the country. so my preferences align more with theirs right now. in general and over the long haul, there has to be a balance between progressive and conservative tactics. there's no need to choose one "side" and stick with it, and there's good motivation to not do so

Enlighten us on how exploration in the 1400s has anything to do with American immigration policies when America wasn’t founded until 1776? F**king dumbass liberal arguments are laughable.

I don't want to say anything too harsh because you're probably a minor. so I'll just point out, kindly, that the country that was invaded by illegal aliens in the 1400 wasn't America because it was the future Americans who were immigrants seeking a better life in what turned out to be the Indian nations. and I'm not a liberal. (why do you boneheads always make that assumption?) now who's the one who can't argue? do you feel enlightened? i'm sorry if you feel bad now, but what are you doing in this stream anyway?

Oh trust me, nothing you can say would be too harsh. It’s not “illegal aliens” in 1400 - it was an era of conquest. The English, Spanish and French came over to an undeveloped wilderness inhabited by primitive tribes - who could also be classified as “illegal aliens” with your logic, although I’d disagree.

Funny enough, you openly admitted that it wasn’t “America” - so again your argument has nothing to do with American immigration policy. “Future Americans” isn’t an argument by the way.

You can be a Commie bootlicker for all I care. Either way, your argument is baseless and using false “facts” that you pull from the ethereal plain claiming as “truth”.

Can’t argue? I’ve given you history fact and truth. You countered with baseless opinions on immigration in the 1400 - completely irrelevant.

What am I doing in this stream? Simply dismantling your terrible baseless arguments with fact and truth.

Nice try, wannabe meme lord.

here's some free advice since that reply was almost civil. rule one in winning arguments is the same as rule one in gambling: be right. it's the only way to really win. name-calling and braggadicio don't even make you sound strong. just the opposite. you assume that your point of view is the correct one, and that's the key mistake that all would-be experts make. i'm not here to argue. it's more of a mercy mission, sifting for those few people who can listen and try to see things differently. you've got a lot of bad role models in this stream, so just try listening quietly for a while to some other people. if it doesn't work, well at least you tried.

I’ll up this.

Not at all, they claimed to not be liberal - based on the argument doesn’t seem to be right-aligned so.. you do the deductive math there.

You can disagree and not be a “communist” - when did I say that was the case? Is putting words in someone’s mouth your only tactic?

Yup, them Pilgrimos jus' be from a differente nacione,,,

So we've established your black and gay. Who needs a $1. Just kidding. No need to flag. I'm classy. With love

Huge difference between immigrants and settlers.

not from the point of view of the people who've already settled the place

exactly, now you know why we have a problem with illegal immigration, because we have settled this country and it is called America and has laws and borders that everyone can not just ignore.. see?

so, once you've settled/stolen a country, it's yours, and you must defend it from other settlers/thieves. settlers are good and thieves are bad, even tho they're the same people. yes i see.

nope, completely wrong - LAnd masses prior to settling, are up for grabs. America was not settled prior to Our founding fathers, it was open land with tribes , that had no government or laws , it was not a country with borders. Today America is a settled country , there is no open land for immigrants to come and settle. We have borders and established laws. Once you have a country settled - you have to defend it from "invaders".

Also don't forget , We bought huge portions of land in America from France and Spain that had claimed dominion here .

lol ("completely wrong"). i believe that you're not trying to indoctrinate me. you genuinely believe everything you're saying, and you don't recognize the errors in fact and assumptions and presumption. you might complain if i don't elaborate, so: it's believed that the Americas were originally occupied by immigrants from northeast Asia many thousands of years ago. before their arrival, the lands were arguably only occupied by Nature. nations did form over time, although you can call them tribes if you prefer, but the people were civilized, and they developed governments and laws and crafts and agriculture. some came to occupy hereditary territories and some were migratory, but they managed the land with conservation of resources in mind.

the ideas that the land was "open", without borders, and that governments and laws did not exist are convenient for your argument, but they're only valid from your point of view. the plain fact is that the Americas were occupied by civilizations when the Europeans arrived, and that the Europeans spread across the Western world and conquered it with a heavy loss of rights and of human lives. the first mistake of those civilizations was to not take action against the invasion in its infancy. they might have been conquered eventually anyway, but we'll never know.

the bottom line is that your argument would be much stronger if you said that conquest happens as a law of Nature. but then you'd have to admit that the Americas are still "open" for conquest. it's really just a matter of time.

Well , i have to give you credit for not mentioning "native Americans" since that term is a fallacy. You are right , however your timeline is short, the migration happened over the bering land bridge , around 20 or 30 thousand years ago. I absolutely believe America is in danger of Conquest, I understand that we have politicians that have invested interest in the destruction of America as we know it. You are absolutely right about trying to stop invasions in its infancy , why do you think I am so against illegal immigration? It is the infancy of the beginning of the end of America as a superpower. Changing the voting demographics by allowing instant citizenship of 3rd worlders that have no clue about our constitution or our God given rights are the first steps in getting the votes to eliminate the documents that protect the very rights they are coming to America to have. You never asked me if I felt America is under threat of invasion.. it absolutely is.