The brutal truth of the Democratic Party

Ah, but weren't the founding fathers for open immigration?

Yes, and so are modern Republicans. Just not illegal immigration.

Same

I welcome all to the US as long they come in peace.

And who's supposed to make sure they come in peace? I think most would welcome that but obviously we cant have open borders and let an unimpeded amount at any time. We would be over run. Kinda like right now.

I never said I was for illegal immigration. I'm for relaxed legal immigration.

Me too! I think if we relax legal immigration, illegal immigration rates will fall sharply

Agreed

Some illegal immigrants come in peace too.

I never said they didn't. It's just we have a system and they should go through the system so that if there are bad people among them, we have a chance to catch them before they enter the country.

I've never seen it put into a simple chart. Thank you for doing this.

So very true - 224sin.jpg (click to show) Upvoted!

Imgflip isnt for politics chanhe my mind

Imgflip isn’t for idiots. Change my mind

That’s why we have dozens of other streams that AREN’T for politics. Change my mind.

can we just acknowledge the fact i just droped my bean burrito
and u guys are talking politics.

The 2nd amendment or the bill of rights was mainly written for the people to protect themselves, the problem with that is that some people say that they need “protection” because a 12 year old kid is walking down the street, so they shoot them

Democrats seem better to me, as republicans are like:”screw the poor!”

That's a blatant generalization.

And a false one

No kidding.

That's funny because US poverty and unemployment rate hit its lowest in 50 years under a Republican in 2019. Also something important to know is that welfare doesn't actually help the poor, all it does is get them hooked on a government teat, de-incentivises them to work, and makes the rest of the working class pick up the slack in higher taxes. Take a look at the black community, which since the abolishment of slavery was making tremendous progress. The poverty rate was in steady decline, income was increasing, divorce rates going down, then in 1965 LBJ put in the welfare state and the trendlines reversed.

You should check out the guys in Foundation of Economic Education. I would link you but their website seems to be down today but you can find them on youtube if you want.

I’ve seen some of their videos, mostly about comics and stuff. Nothing seriously political.

Right, it's meant to educate and get the viewer/reader thinking.

Yes, I enjoy it.

You watch FEE too?

Heck yeah.

Nice

Same to you my good sir.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/542202-georgia-senate-votes-to-repeal-no-excuse-absentee-voting

eyyy more state power. definitely not voter suppression in the slightest

The founding fathers aren’t perfect, though.
I mean that their systems just wouldn’t work today.

The founding fathers were also racist and sexist too.

Don't judge men by the standards of today judge them by the standards of their own time.

Okay, I’m just saying...
If the logic of this meme is that republicans are good because they’re like the founding fathers, which were good at that time, but now wouldn’t work...
Doesn’t that just prove my point?

I think the OP is trying to compare the economics and government of the founding fathers to modern republicans, not the personal biases and prejudice they had.

Okay, I just believe this meme is a little misleading since it picks and chooses issues where both are the same on.

Raceest! Sexeest! Same old, same old.

They mostly do.

The founding fathers ideas were mostly liberal. They were fighting from a monarchy which was commonplace to make a new progressive form of government. The Founding fathers were very devoted to the militia as they had all fought in it. they were also extremely concerned about who got to use guns and allowed it so that the USA would not need a army. Once again, this is liberal as most countries had an army. Founding fathers also supported a wealth tax to keep it equal as once again, the very government they were fighting against was in favor of keeping the wealthy with their money and taxing everyone equally, regardless of trouble. The founding fathers were split between values, as some sided with the federalists and some with the democratic-republicans. The freedom of speech is an extremely opinionated argument, as it depends on what each person believes to be free and what they believe to be not.

Liberalism of 1785 would be radically conservative today.

you have to read the article

I refuse to treat Wikipedia, festering cesspool of biased editors, as a valid source. The businessinsider article is correct in noting that Hamilton wanted a strong central system with powers to tax, but Hamilton was more an exception than the rule. The states did not even agree to give the Federal government power to tax initially, though the passage of the XVI Amendment soon changed that.

So, while the Founding Fathers on the whole were liberal for their time (believing in democracy, rather than the long-established tradition of monarchial reign), they weren't exactly liberal by today's standards.

https://medium.com/@ronrivers/the-founding-fathers-were-progressives-e17a2b51ec94

They were actually more split by today's standards, John Adams, for example, would be a conservative today. Thomas Jefferson, however, was a radical liberal, meaning he would still be a liberal today. So would Benjamin Franklin. Alexander Hamilton would be conservative, and James Madison would be a liberal. George washington would identify as neither

Hamilton would not be a conservative. He supported a large government that could intrude upon the private business of citizens at will. That is the antithesis of modern conservatism.

so bascically what you are saying that that the only modern conservative of the group would be John adams

It's tough to say. You're sort of correct with Jefferson, but he abhorred cities and wished that the U.S wilderness could swallow up settlers forever, keeping the nation from concentrating its populace and remaining very free and independent from anyone but themselves. That's honestly, IMO, a very very very extreme libertarian view. Not sure it really made him a modern-day liberal, which tends to prefer community solutions to problems and community life as a whole (hence why urban centers are traditionally more liberal than more rural areas).

But John adams was a strict conservative, and Jefferson considered himself the complete opposite
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-founding-liberal-and-the-founding-conservative-1507905412

"In his attitude toward government, he didn’t resemble a modern liberal. He believed in minimal government, which was the progressive position at the time. Instead of the strong fiscal-military state that Alexander Hamilton and other Federalists wanted, Jefferson sought only “a wise and frugal government,” as he said in his inaugural address as president—one that kept its citizens from injuring one another but otherwise left them “free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement.”"

Did you even read your own article?? It straight up says that what was considered radically progressive at the time is conservative today. So no, Jefferson would not be considered a liberal today. If anything he would be a libertarian, which is extremely conservative.

actually, liberals were republicans, and the south were conservative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_liberalism
and liberals still believe those same things
https://www.businessinsider.com/wealth-tax-history-hamilton-founding-fathers-american-revolution-2020-2
You said that the founding fathers supported everyone having guns, but actually, people were not very concerned about having guns, which is why they made the law. Only after the civil war people started to have more and more guns.