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It's a closed system, you didnt pay attention in fifth grade science class did you

It's a closed system, you didnt pay attention in fifth grade science class did you | FOR THOSE WHO DONT UNDERSTAND HOW IT COULD BE SO COLD WHEN THERE ARE CLAIMS OF GLOBAL WARMING.... IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM, WHEN YOU SQUEEZE THE BALLOON ON ONE END, THE OTHER END BLOWS UP! | image tagged in closed atmosphere not escape loss or gain | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
163 views 2 upvotes Made by ParadiseLost 5 years ago in politics
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5 ups, 5y,
2 replies
I'm not going to get into the whole global warming issue... I think the real problem here is that the left can't meme. (and based on this meme, their grasp of 5th grade science and physics seems a bit off as well...)

The meme's entire argument is based on the premise that the earth is a closed system, which it's not.

But let's say the earth was a closed system. If the "squeeze the balloon" argument was valid, it would mean the volume of air in the balloon and the earth's temperature would be analogous. That is what you're saying, right OP?

Your argument is that squeezing the balloon reduces the amount of air in the locality of the squeezing, and the air is relocated to somewhere else inside the balloon, correct OP?

Applying that logic to the earth's temperature, you're saying if the temperature goes down in the US, then the temperature somewhere else on earth goes up. Is that correct, OP?

If so, the average "global" temperature would remain the same, just as the "average" volume of air remained the same inside the closed system of the balloon.

Your claim makes no sense in this example, as it's based on a false premise.
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4 ups, 5y,
2 replies
I think you are far too polite with this idiot.
Where do fluctuations in solar cycles, volcano (including underwater) activity, Earth's magnetic field and the Van Allen radiation belts come into play with that ridiculous balloon example? They don't.
0 ups, 5y
I think you are far too generous in referring to him as an idiot.

Everything you mentioned should be on the table as far as discussing the causes of global warming. And that should include the fact that humans tend to view things within the scope of our relatively short lifetimes when compared to the earth's lifetime. Without global warming, we'd still be in an ice age. Without global cooling, the earth would still be a volcanic hell.

But this guy seems intent on hanging on to silly argument that uses a balloon, and literally proves nothing. His entire premise is false.
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
A magnetic field has no relation to the atmosphere. that is why it is called the magnetosphere. Its it's own CLOSED SYSTEM. So now what?
2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
So I suggest you brush up on what makes a system closed or open.
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
The atmosphere, closed. The magnestisphere, closed considering scientist have measure a DENT in the sphere. See how I used the word dent, and not opening. Lol 🍻😁👍
2 ups, 5y
The "magnestisphere" (and I'm normally not a spelling National Socialist, but your inability to spell certain words does make one wonder about you...) does not make the atmosphere a closed system. (first, the earth was a closed system, and now the atmosphere is a closed system? you're on fire, buddy!)

The atmosphere does not form any kind of impenetrable barrier around the earth. Hell, the magnetosphere is not even impenetrable. Energy and mass from the solar wind can pass through the magnetosphere.

Where do you get this crap?
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
So right now, what is the high temp in the southern hemisphere, you know the part of the Earth that is closest to the sun at this time of year? It isnt a claim, it is a working model DUMBED DOWN for the layman to understand. I see that it still upsets you.
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Stop and think about what you're actually saying. You're saying that it's warmer in the summer than it is in the winter, regardless of location. I suppose I could infer, based on that, that you're still trying to use the "squeeze the balloon" argument to prove global warming.

Had you addressed even one of the points I made in my reply, then we could have a conversation. I noted that you went after others who simply hurled insults at you, so I thought you would be open to an exchange of ideas.

And btw, I didn't attack the cause of global warming, I just attacked your argument. If you were a bit sharper, you would have picked up on that.

My friendly advice for you is to stop digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole with each post.
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
We aren't reading each others post. I already stated I didnt read your response. It is a simple model, made to make you think about it for yourself. If you have questions, then you need to find the answers. I do know that I have experience with weather measurement equipement, and you need to understand what the EQ is measuring. So, I may know a Little more about complex weather systems than you. Explain humidity, since you know so much about the weather. What exactly is the water content in the air at 100% humidity? Google and get back to me, we can argue over that fact too!
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
No, you did not state that you didn't read my response. You may not have read it, but if you didnt', why even bother to reply?

Okay, I get it. A lot of people are attacking you, and it's understandable that there's a mixup in trying to reply to them all.

So am I to infer that you *still* haven't read my two replies? Apparently not, based on your claim that your simple model is intended to make me think about it for myself. Because I clearly thought about it for myself, based on what I wrote, right? If you can read my first reply and infer that I didn't think about your simple model, then I doubt we can have any kind of discussion about this.

And save the patronizing bullshit about needing to find answers if I have questions. Same for your humidity comment. The question marks I used in my first reply were to get you to think about what you were saying. Because quite honestly, what you said with your meme made absolutely no sense.

And btw, the fact that you're claiming to have some experience with "weather measurement equipement" is just another piece of evidence that you absolutely do not know what you're talking about. Why? Because it's a common mistake made by deniers to confuse weather with climate. So the fact that you are making the same mistake, is a pretty strong indicator that you are just dead wrong with your closed system "squeeze the balloon" hypothesis.

Try going back to my original reply, and responding to the points I made there. If you can somehow do that, the conversation can be reset. If not, there's no point. I'm not hopeful.
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
The atmosphere is still a closed system.
0 ups, 5y
Yeah, and I can say the sky is still purple, then tell you how smart I am, and what experience I have with "weather measurement equipement", but that doesn't make the sky purple.

It must be sad to not be able to defend your statements. I truly feel sorry for you.
1 up, 5y,
1 reply
Does the word “unfalsifiable” mean anything to you?
0 ups, 5y,
2 replies
Sorry you cant fathom a closed atmosphere...it has to be fake you dont understand it.
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
Spare us your CNN cartoon logic brainwashing, you idiot. You understand nothing.
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
You saying I dont understand, means nothing. The fact that you chose to keep it up, proves you truly have no wisdom, logic, or insight.
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0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
0 ups, 5y
Verified, name calling. Any credentialed adult goes straight to name calling...especially with the word retarded. Level of education verified. Keep up the front, you are almost convincing.
1 up, 5y,
1 reply
I asked you a question. You failed to answer it.
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Considering all scientist will agree that the atmosphere is closed, I chose to not even address your inquiry. You cant really play chess with pigeons. You cant even play checkers with pigeons.
0 ups, 5y
Do you understand what the word “unfalsifiable” means? Yes or no?
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
More bullshit from a braindead liberal.
Earth is not a closed system, otherwise the Sun cycles would have no effect.
Another libtard myth busted in one sentence.
0 ups, 5y,
2 replies
So the atmosphere that the earth is sitting is not a closed system? LuL.

And same for you, I am sorry that this 5th grade model upsets you. I am truly sorry you have a hard time with concepts such as these.
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0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Earth is not a closed system and nothing you can say changes that. You understand nothing.
You are an idiot and idiots are unable to learn. They can be brainwashed and this is what you are.
0 ups, 5y,
2 replies
Any scientist will disagree with your opinion.

Your post confirms you are a kid. One does not simply start with name calling, and not address the issue as a thinking human, without having an immature cognitive level... Go out and have fun, dont try to grow up too awfully fast, there will be plenty of time to do adult things, you dont have rush it.
1 up, 5y
"Any scientist will disagree with your opinion."

Anyone who can post that sentence and then later not admit it's sarcasm, is no scientist. Do you have any idea what free inquiry is about? You clearly don't have a clue about the free exchange of ideas.

You claim the earth is a closed system. What makes it closed? How can it be closed when there are thousand of tons of material falling to earth from beyond its atmosphere every year? Does heat from the sun reflect off the earth's surface? If so, how does that play into your closed model hypothesis? If the earth is a closed system, why is it's "global" temperature increasing? The "squeeze the balloon" hypothesis doesn't support global warming.

These are just the tiniest number of questions that you would have to address in order for your "squeeze the balloon" hypothesis to be considered valid. You've got a long way to go.
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0 ups, 5y,
2 replies
I'm older and far more credentialed than you are, Skippy. I'm just addressing you at YOUR level.
Which is around comic book comprehension, from the look of your posts.
0 ups, 5y
Credentialed. Lol. Maturity level verified. Skippy. Haha
0 ups, 5y
Credentialed, yet he thinks Q is right. Verifed.
1 up, 5y
"So the atmosphere that the earth is sitting is not a closed system?"

What does that even mean?

I know you're trying to ask a question that will make people think you're intelligent and possibly educated, but that question makes no sense.

If you can't even construct a coherent sentence to use for a question, what good is it trying to have a conversation with you?
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FOR THOSE WHO DONT UNDERSTAND HOW IT COULD BE SO COLD WHEN THERE ARE CLAIMS OF GLOBAL WARMING.... IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM, WHEN YOU SQUEEZE THE BALLOON ON ONE END, THE OTHER END BLOWS UP!