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Give me liberty! Or give me death! | Chinese fighting for democracy. Tiananmen Square; Hong Kong fighting for democracy. 2019 Protest; Taiwan fighting for democracy. Sunflower Movement; Koreans fighting for democracy. Gwangju Uprising; USA Conservatives fighting for democracy. But but but they'll all think we're as disruptive and unruly like the left! | image tagged in freedom,liberty,democracy,vigilance,conservatives,america | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
967 views 14 upvotes Made by CarrickMcHwain 4 years ago in politics
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To be fair a ~97.5% Christian capitalist democracy elected Hitler. So theres that. I'm not saying that communism is a better alternative. Honestly they both suck... democracies tend to get bought out by corporate sponsors rather quick-like. Ask anybody with a college education from the biggest democracy on our planet. (That's India, for "those few of you" that didn't know.)
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Good thing we are a republic and lack the Nazi SS that disappeared anyone that disagreed with them, Christian or not.
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If you want to know who owns America (eg who we owe *serious* debt to, who influence our politics strongly by waving their magic-debt-relief-wand around)- take a look at Japan and China. Especially China. Their surveillance state rivals our own (which is bad), but they have a ton more people. Its hard to govern so many people without a lot of corruption, so we shouldn't be surprised that they already have AI removing the human element from that system. If you frown on a CCTV or smoke a cigarette, the AI will dock you "freedom points"- just a few; but eventually that might lead to your inability to use any sort of transit, use a cellphone- and on rare occasion that you do make a call- the receivers cell loudly announces that a BAD person is calling them, in order to shame them for knowing you. For reals. On the other hand, having a a *surplus* of trillions a year as opposed to our deficit of the same is kinda cool.

Also Marxist philosophy is grounded in scientific realism and evolutionary theory rather than the blatherings of a painfully stupid group of superstitious of literal flat-earthers who wandered the deserts in the mid east thousands of years ago. Aka the Jews. My people. The progenitors of the cult of Christus Yeshua the Nazarene, aka the Renegade Rabbi. Who was actually kinda cool in alot of ways. Unfortunately- the Roman boyf**kers took control of Christianity around the year 250, and the church wasn't keen on most of Yeshua's most cherished ideas. Like "don't resist evil" (no violence, period- not even to defend yourself- and no excuses), also conveyed by the phrase "turn the other cheek.") Romans hated that, and burned LOTS of people alive for adhering to the ways of Christianity 1.0. By the year 401AD, the Church of England made burning heretics alive a law- previously it was more of a frivolous pastime. Kinda crazy for a religion that is supposed to "judge not, lest ye be judged", and abandon the eye for an eye thing. Instead, Jesus wanted you to love you enemy, and offer them comfort- even the clothes off your back. The weird guy probably thought they wouldn't regard you as their enemy if you did that with sincerity. Obviously, that sort of policy got him killed. Not because vengeful violence would have been useful for him once he was charged- the Roman guards would have eaten him for breakfast. But because his message was radical enough to worry the leadership in his area. His influence suggests pacifism is SOOPER powerful.
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True dat. (Well, with the exception of a few thousand Nazi scientists and spys that we thought could be useful in making war on on those guys who killed the 80% of the Nazis. If you want to get technical.) My current understanding of world governments is pretty simple and possibly incorrect- I would summarize it by saying "no governmental system is evil" - they all have fairly noble minded goals to reduce human suffering, which they do with varying amounts of efficiency. In some cases a culture will take well to a certain system with little harm done to its peoples and surrounding nations, and in other cases that same system could be used to instigate mass genocide on all sorts of groups.. You will notice this view is the exact opposite of the sort of partisan patriotism that every gov't on the planet likes to promote along with its economic policy. So its "Socialism good, capitalism bad." or "Capitalism good, socialism bad" - really in many ways the proof is in the puddin.

Its not like we can't look at various objective "report cards" on the success or failure of every country. You want to look at how successful an economic system is? Why not track your government's debt? If its at >20 trillion and growing by about 3 tril a year, with interest rates climbing steadily as the purchasers of said "I owe you" notes quickly losing faith of our ability to pay them back.. well, then your system sucks balls, and your country has already been purchased by more successful systems. (Btw, the above is a summary of the USA's economic trainwreck. By 2050, Muslims will finally surpass Christians in terms of numbers on the planet. Also the USA will be spending 200% of its budget on the *interest* of prior debt. Not to get you down or anything, but the USA has possibly the worst government on the planet in terms of economic performance considering its size. But you would be right to say we don't kill our peeps*.

What I find both humorous and nauseating is how much money we spend yearly on our military- justifying it by saying "they fight terrorists." No military has ever fought terrorists except to showboat, as terror cells usually have under 20 operatives in them. Police find and fight terrorists, often in coordination with "intelligence." If you have hundreds of people on the ground that are shooting bullets at you, those aren't terrorists. You are the terrorist, and they are a state militia- doing what militias do- trying to fight off invaders.
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This is so true... Many relatives of mine have been caught in the Hong Kong protests as well as many university students who got killed because of China's arrogance
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Gotta make everything complicated
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I don't even know what this means. I see a coffin, spongebob holding a gun(?).. I not a man of high culture. Maybe you could explain it to me? Anyway I'm sort high so sorry about all the rambling. I got derailed bigtime- all I wanted to mention is that *Monarchy* (Japan) and *Communism* (China) are superior forms of government to democracy as measured by the USA and India's economies and debt. (Debt to GDP ratio is commonly used to determine how screwed a nation is. If its above 77%, the prevailing wisdom is to throw away your constitution, burn your flags, and try again- because you can't pay back your debt. Really. ) I probably shouldn't mention where the USA is at right now., with about 10 out of our 30 tri debtl spent on "fighting the dudes that killed a whole 2000ISH citizens." Which incidentally is the same number of people killed by constipation. Effectively, bin Laden destroyed America. He decided on 9/11 because he noticed we were close to collapse form military overspending already with the whole Cold War thing. So theres that. Of course, you wont hear many other people parroting my view. Because during times of economic strife, the gut reflex is to hire macho big spenders. We call it "supply side". The funny thing is militants in the USA think we can take China in a fight, while others ay the opposite. Neither of us would have anything to gain from that. Its just pathetically old ways of thinking. Future and modern wars are fought with trade agreements, the buyout of lands (a la Germany and Greece, or China and California), and of course memes. Can't forget memes.
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