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This confuses me. And people try to justify this approach. | WHY DO PEOPLE INSTANTLY THROW OUT RELIGION BASED ON AN INCONSISTENCY THEY FIND, NOT EVEN CHECKING TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACTUALLY INCONSISTENT; BUT HOLD ON TO EVOLUTION, EVEN IF ITS ENTIRE FOUNDATION BECOMES INCONSISTENT, SAYING "WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT EVOLUTION IS STILL TRUE"? | image tagged in memes,question rage face,question,creationism,evolution,illogical | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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3 ups, 4y,
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Great question. I tend to feel that the science field is as prone to drawing intolerant and self-righteous fanatics as religion. Science fanatics look upon spirituality as an enemy of their beliefs. Thus, just like any other fanatic, the science fanatic will never respect other possibilities, nor concede a pet theory, even if that theory is proved flawed by peers or disproved by new data.
2 ups, 4y,
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Yes. All religion is not even an option. People like Dawkins simply hate God rather than the idea of one being real. Many of these people are hostile to the capability of a God existing and thus "science" will never support God just based on that. I've seen scientists say that what they believe is very weak-grounded, but they cannot allow a God in. I've seen scientists say Darwin was wrong about how we came about, but their options excluded any creator and only considered ideas that were pretty much the same thing. It's quite sad.
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2 ups, 4y,
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Agreed.
1 up, 4y
Yes. The purpose of science is to discover truth, so scientists throwing out possibilities are automatically not doing their jobs. It’s an unscientific approach to science.
0 ups, 4y
Where have you seen and heard scientists say any of that?

Granted, most atheists are hostile and excessively so towards the view of a diety, but you are likewise being just as dismissive ("Don't tell anyone this, but I don't believe this nonsense and it's my job" is a tad, huh?-ish) not just of science, but other religions, as you are speaking of a particular God and not others.

Also, not all scientists are atheists, in fact, polls taken since the 1930s saw a trend that projected total atheism by now with scientists, yet the numbers actually haven't changed as much.
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2 ups, 4y
Sorry, I am not a follower of any "magic immortal being that wrote an old book" as you put it. Sounds like you have me mistaken for a believer of the religion of someone else. However, I do like to be respectful of the faiths of others.
1 up, 4y,
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To be honest, how did an “old book” know unclean animals weren’t healthy? How did the Law protect the Israelites from germs before humanity and “research” even knew about them? The Bible may be old, but it was quite ahead of the pack.
0 ups, 4y,
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Unhealthy? Yet are eaten today?

When you keep your dairy separate from other foods - down to separate sections of the sink to wash the plates and utensils, you let me know. Oh, and the reason too.
1 up, 4y,
1 reply
Have you watched forks over knives, or what the health? A lot of what was not eaten in the Bible isn’t good for you. And neither of those documentaries are done by Christians. However, parasites do make things worse, and we’ve found ways around that these days. But they’re still not good.
Some people eat meat, but I do not.
0 ups, 4y
What?

Pork was then, as now, the most commonly eaten meat in the world, and that includes especially in the world's oldest and most populous nation.

Perhaps the Judean God doesn't offer as much protection as theirs do - and two of those aren't (officially) even Gods.
1 up, 4y,
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the reason pigs were not eaten in biblical times was indeed because they were unhealthy. the reason they were unhealthy was because of parasites. the reason we eat them today is because we can process them to where the parasites are killed. Pigs are the known garbage disposers of nature, and they were unclean because they did not 'chew the cud' and cleans themselves with multiple stomachs. the law was cloven animals that chew the cud could be eaten.

now maybe do some research next time
0 ups, 4y,
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Thing is, them parasites are killed by cooking, just like they are with all other animal meat we eat.
Pork may have a higher frequency due to their eatring habits, but they are hardly alone in the contamination/infestation market.

There were pig worshipping cults - or at least, that used pigs in religious rituals - in the Levant (prior to later civilizations) uncovered by Archaeology decades ago. It had become apparent that the prohibition came as a revulsion to the customs of this earlier religion.
Kind of like how the prohibition against male homosexuality had to do with Babylonian temple priestly prostitutes of which many were painted up men in drag, hence whith there's no admonishment against female homosexuality.
Or like how the good Serpent God of Wisdom got inverted into the baddie while the jealous wrathful God became 'the good guy' by the time the Eden story was adopted by the Hebrews.

But do feel free to fill me on the nasty buggers infesting dairy which require it being kept separated from other foods while preparing meals, down to washing the utensils separately.

Oh, and next time you refer to that vaulted bank of knowledge you acquired from your "But The Bible IS Science, I Swear!" Sunday school class, read a book.
1 up, 4y,
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1 up, 4y
1 up, 4y,
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some of the parasites maybe. but not all.

there were also people eating other people and sacrificing people. those are not of God, hence irrelevant.

as for homosexuality, idk what you are referring to. and I also have no idea what you mean by serpent god of wisdom. I do know that most religions do not have the fullness of the gospel.

the Bible is not science, and is flawed; likewise science is not God, and is flawed. the Bible was written by man, not God. It is a record of an ancient people. However there are teachings in it that are central to the christian faith. science gives you theories, and is, in my opinion, a fickle thing to trust.

you have taken a few "religion is stupid" classes I see, and your arguments are unfounded as most of them have nothing to do with our beliefs as christians. I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the fulness of the gospel has been restored. I would much rather have hope in a God, than know for certain that when I die, thats it. as a consequence, I am not afraid to die. its rather nice actually.
0 ups, 4y,
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Of course you don't know what I'm referring to, ignorance is from whence doth getteth thine awesomethe wealthe of knowledge.

I didn't bother reading the rest of your buzzing drivel, but as I was editing what I typed, did mine eye catcheth that thouest is a Mormon?
Good grief, kid, get the atlas out for that one, that was L Ron Hubbard a century before Hubbard. Your babbling is about as historical and scientific as Battlefield Earth is a documentary.

Thanks for playing tho. 'Twas good for a larf.

Still ain't filled me in on yer scientificalated explanationing of the dairy prohibitions.

ciao
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never claimed to have an awesome wealth of knowledge.

no, you didn't bother, they never do. it's like a kind of fear of being wrong.

yes you did. glad you can read something, even if it's bits and pieces of convince.

religion is not scientific, but is most definitely historical. you have no idea if my words were relevant because you didn't risk reading them. therefore any comment on the authenticity of my beliefs is invalid.

neither was I talking about dairy prohibitions.
0 ups, 4y,
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This is still going on?

If you feel insulted because you acted like you know something that doesn't explain why the rest of the world wasn't killed off by the consumption of the most commonly consumed meat on Earth and have yet to address the point you attacked about dairy, that's on you.

Next time, perhaps if you take your own advice about research, you won't have to feel so slighted.
0 ups, 4y
nah, not unless you keep talkin

I hardly ever feel insulted, however your reply about my inability to type a few lines was uncalled for. no I am not angry or upset, I am not that type of person. regardless, that was the intended result.

I still have no idea what I am supposed to be researching...
0 ups, 4y,
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"Camogirl.tn0 ups, 2w

lol yes that's a church. the temple is different

yes well we aren't very much different from anyone else as far as friendly people😂

no, I said that. in our church, you cannot go on a mission if you are newly married. they may call themselves missionaries (we all do) but tag wearing missionary couples who are married are always senior.

in all honesty, I am not trying to argue my religion. I am happy to find that you don't condemn it (many people do)."

Good grief, kid, if you want to learn anymore about the rest of YOUR religion, I suggest you look it up.

You're like one of them people that would become an Athiest just to disagree if I told you I converted to the NOT (caps for extra emphasis just to make sure I didn't err on that again *wipes sweat from brow*) Temple of Latter Day...

The PR couple had said something about a 2 year requirement.
And after the fellas moved out of my building, mail for them left on a counter next to the mailboxes were addressed to "Elder *insert name*
Wasn't sure if that was one or all, but the article explains that too.

Perhaps you can call them at the number from my previous pic, (718) 365-8770, and ask them to clarify any further confusion on your part.
0 ups, 4y
yes I know very well what I believe in. good bye.
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Golly, the rewards Jesus, or rather, the planet Smith & Young shall bestow upon your future hubby/god and his flock of dutiful wives/slaves shall be well earned.

Which reminds me, any of y'all call dibs on Mars yet? I mean, talk about Deseret, that rover is in for one big surprise when it sees that huge chunk of a compound of Latter Day Faints.
0 ups, 4y
so much for respect.
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"Camogirl.tn 0 ups, <1h

so much for respect."

"Camogirl.tn 0 ups, 2d

I know what you sent me, and as I plan on serving a mission, I know what the outlets of that function are.

sorry, didn't get the joke. and there is more than one bayou in Louisiana (not THE bayou), and many rivers and tributaries. But yes I am very familiar with rivers, swamps, gators, snappers, and wild boar.
have you not yet realized that I am arguing for my own amusement? this is a game for me."

Yes, and the whole idea is to make sure you win.
It'll cost you a trip to your own hubby's planet, but making the Gods the punchline sure has a way of rankling their ire.

Complete the verse:

"Fear the Lord thy God, or you will bear His terrible..."

I always aim to please.
0 ups, 4y
sorry, I don't get any of this hubby planet stuff
0 ups, 4y,
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"Camogirl.tn0 ups, 3w
maybe you mean meeting house, because the temple has to be dedicated and physically built before ordinances can be performed. there is a symbolic layout and pattern

that is also impossible. they are called senior missionaries for a reason; they have raised a family, and their kids have grown up and are self sufficient. maybe you are confusing us as someone else."

(718)365-8770. Ask them. They're the ones that rented it to do their churchy stuff in it.


"they are called senior missionaries for a reason; they have raised a family, and their kids have grown up and are self sufficient. maybe you are confusing us as someone else."

Also Camogirl.tn,

"Did you think I meant old people? As if! I'm gonna be a senior missionary too as soon as I finish senior year in hs, you silly fool, hurr hurr."

Jesus loves the work you do here in his name. Your ticket to Heaven is paid for in complete.
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now you're putting words in my mouth, and mocking my beliefs lol what a surprise. for lack of anything better to say, you invent things. how... trollish

The only married missionaries are seniors. non married missionaries are always companioned with another missionary of the same sex and are rarely over 26. there.

he sure does, but my work is never done and the debt never payed. faith without works is dead.
0 ups, 4y,
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Look, I understand you're lonely and Mormons ain't all THAT bad - they're industrious and responsible, especially to the community - but I ain't THAT bored.
0 ups, 4y
am I lonely (setting up a date Saturday with my army boy actually)? I just have a habit of replying when I want to.

that is the first sensible I've ever heard from you. even if it was sarcasm.
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Now the attention seeking lonely girl lives in Tennessee.
Come on, being a swamp rat ain't nuthin (see what I did there?) to be ashamed of...
Oh, wait, to Mormons it is,,,

Fun fact, I live in a filled in area of the marshland of Eastchester Bay a couple of miles from New Rochelle which was formally called La Rochelle by the Huguenots settled there only to be later chased out by British settlers and ending up north in Acadia AKA Prince Edward Isle and then chased out by Brits again as they settled what is now Canada after the America Revolution causing the Acadians to head southwest to Texas and chased out of there by those ornery Texicans and into Louisiana and, well, you know the rest...
We coulda been neighbors!

Anywho, in your numerous daily calls the tha Church, have you asked them about becoming a God of your own world like I told you about? In mean, men anyways since you can't cuz you're a girl/
0 ups, 4y
I aint so much a lonely girl as you lol.
nah it aint even as a mormon. I miss it there. did I tell you I used to wrestle gators?

mmhm I like the Huguenots. we have relatable experiences.

actually lol I do know what you're talking about, and I in fact can. even though I am a girl. surprise surprise. however its only married couples, yet again.
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"Camogirl.tn

I COME DIRECTLY FROM THR CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS. I HOLD A CALLING WITHIN.

no. it is not important and it is useless to argue with a non member about my own religion. believe it or not, there are people who live to argue pointless facts they know nothing about, and I am not going to spend my time entertaining that."

I. posted. screenshots. of. material. from. its. official. websites.

And you come directly from the Bayou of Louisiana, child, so shush.
0 ups, 4y
I know what you sent me, and as I plan on serving a mission, I know what the outlets of that function are.

sorry, didn't get the joke. and there is more than one bayou in Louisiana (not THE bayou), and many rivers and tributaries. But yes I am very familiar with rivers, swamps, gators, snappers, and wild boar.
have you not yet realized that I am arguing for my own amusement? this is a game for me.
0 ups, 4y,
1 reply
So stop crying then?
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about?
0 ups, 4y,
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Thanks.

The temporary temple was a rented space on the 2nd floor of a small building while the other was under construction.

The couple in PR were on the younger side, newlywed, if I got that right.
They bred Chow Chows for sale too. First time I saw those IRL.
0 ups, 4y
maybe you mean meeting house, because the temple has to be dedicated and physically built before ordinances can be performed. there is a symbolic layout and pattern

that is also impossible. they are called senior missionaries for a reason; they have raised a family, and their kids have grown up and are self sufficient. maybe you are confusing us as someone else.
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1 reply
Says I'm putting words in her mouth, then reiterates said words.

Toots, I understand in the NUMEROUS backwater bayous you slither through these basic facts and tenets of 'your' religion have yet to reach you, but do call that number or look them up yourself and contact them as you kidz are horribly frightened of talking on your own cellies (why have your da buy them? Just get a tablet) and LEARN.

Sheesh, I met that couple literally DOUBLE your lifetime ago. Your parents weren't even teens yet. Reality don't get altered by some irate memeing pip who uses Jayzuz as an excuse and vehicle to troll. Then again, y'all cult worships Smith instead anyways.

But hey, it's your damnation, knock your childish self out.
0 ups, 4y
btw I LiVe in Tennessee. I I did spend most of my life 15 mins out of Baton Rouge though

lol thats funny since I have been making about 2-3 phone calls a day here for a while. I co to this church every Sunday and I hold a leadership position within.

funnily enough, the rules haven't changed much in the past 200 years in regards to missions, except that women are now allowed to go (you see before, it was a bit dangerous because of flying bits of metal we call call bullets in these parts)
lol look... its the pot that called the kettle black, troll.

I suggest you give that number a call if you think we worship Smith. you might as well worship C. Sagan if we worship Smith.

since when did you believe in damnation?? don't tell me you're softening up....

and I just figured I might share the news; I just got accepted to my no.1 university along with a few scholarships and a chance at touring with some of their international ensembles.... it surprisingly only took 3 days.

Now, I have a high opinion of me, and so does almost everyone I meet. it is rather boring. this is why I get on here and listen to your ridiculous claims and insults. its more fun than you can imagine. you use my favorite fallacies and everything!

you are the best ;)
0 ups, 4y,
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"Camogirl.tn

yes I know very well what I believe in. good bye."

Well that comes DIRECTLY from THE Church of Latter Day...
Perhaps if you ever get near one you can inquire within.

You DID look at the pics, yes? The misionary badges those teens have on? Oh, you meant senior in hs, right?

I hardly know anything about that religion, yet I know more than one of its adherents?
0 ups, 4y
I COME DIRECTLY FROM THR CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS. I HOLD A CALLING WITHIN.

no. it is not important and it is useless to argue with a non member about my own religion. believe it or not, there are people who live to argue pointless facts they know nothing about, and I am not going to spend my time entertaining that.
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Makes sense, it's not like the customs are well known around here.

Folks said they had their "Church" there, and they'd be seen going in and out.
Never talked to them personally about it, seems as they didn't proselytize to anyone in the building from what I saw, just to folks round the neighborhood. They acted like basic friendly neighbors is all.

Didn't say the PR couple were "seniors," and they were too young for grown kids. Kinda hard confusing Mormons with anything else, especially there. Pentecostals dress similarly, but the similarity ends there, and Pentecostals are everywhere.

You can contact the Bronx one with the number posted for further details.
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lol yes that's a church. the temple is different

yes well we aren't very much different from anyone else as far as friendly people😂

no, I said that. in our church, you cannot go on a mission if you are newly married. they may call themselves missionaries (we all do) but tag wearing missionary couples who are married are always senior.

in all honesty, I am not trying to argue my religion. I am happy to find that you don't condemn it (many people do).
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oooh, a date. Hope you wear your promise ring!

Sarcasm? About Mormons?
Hardly. I actually like them. A lot.
Not the beliefs, mind you, which are a bit whatever (what religion - or belief, including science - isn't?), but the few I met were rather decent upstanding folks.

Howard Hughes surrounded himself with them in his final days (something about the only people that could be trusted - also the stuff I said mostly came from him) and I met a few missionaries, a married couple in PR in '86 when I lived there for 7 months and an apartment of them in the '90s in the building I used to live at here in the Bx. There was a temporary Temple on the corner of the block. Then they opened the permanent one further up Fordham Rd 'round Kingsbridge Ave and so they moved.
They were very nice.
0 ups, 4y
yes, a date, we don't live together 🙄. hehe, don't have one.

well thats very nice of you. and we don't do 'temporary temples' so idk what you're talking about. I like the senior couple missionaries very much.
0 ups, 4y,
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Ahh, so you're a senior citizen then.
And all this time I had you figured for a little girl.

Enjoy your spreading the word of your fictional account in the Book of Mormon, granny.
0 ups, 4y
I had no idea I was a senior...

I sure will ancient mummy
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Is this where I'm supposed to post you info from 'your' religion's website on the fine art of lording over thine own planet after expiring?
Not exactly like they brag about the loonier aspects central to their beliefs.
0 ups, 4y
thats not exactly central
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So after all that butthurt babbling, no answer then, Ms Research?

Shocker.

But at least we now know you're an athlete. That is so awesome. *pats head*

Laterz, toots.
0 ups, 4y
not sure what you wanted an answer to, but mmk.

oh yes I should just take your insults like candy huh? 🤣 at least I know how you perceive me *doesnt care*

aight, have a good one
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You replied to this, did you not?

"VagabondSouffle 0 ups, 2d, 1 reply

Unhealthy? Yet are eaten today?

When you keep your dairy separate from other foods - down to separate sections of the sink to wash the plates and utensils, you let me know. Oh, and the reason too."

I WAS talking dairy. I WAS.
You replied to IT.

Don't get me wrong, watching the air blow out your puffed cheeks is funny,
But this begins to bore me a lot?
1 up, 4y
milk and meat you mean? I wasn't quite sure at first, so I let it be. symbolic as far as I know. also unimportant. however, in the words of a military doctor "having a glass of milk after age 21, is the equivalent health-wise of taking a shot of whisky"...

surprising as it is, typing doesn't take as much energy as my preferred activities that I have to make look effortless (as an athlete lol), so don't worry about my cardio for the day.
yes it is all very boring. have a nice day.
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NOT ANYMORE
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First off, we don’t know everything. We see how people in history have clung to spontaneous generation. We somehow got the notion in the 1800s that we were smarter than everyone else. Yes, we know more, but we don’t know everything. So if the Bible contained things not known about science then, it’s not reasonable to assume it’s outdated. I’m not saying it’s definitely got things we don’t know about yet, but don’t rule out the possibility. It’s prideful. And guess what? The entire scientific community these days is uber-prideful.
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if the entire scientific community these days is uber-prideful, then the entire Christian community these days is uber-ignorant
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That is a fallacy. I didn’t say that just because. I said it because they throw out options that they don’t like. Whereas apologetic scientists do not. Matter of fact, many of them are old earth creationists. Stephen C Meyer and Dave Burlinski are some good sources that come from a scientific perspective. And Burlinski isn’t even Christian, afaik.

There was one scientist i saw in a documentary about Genesis that was a preacher’s kid and left the faith, but he calls himself agnostic because he says atheism is an arrogant position because man can’t throw out the option of a God completely.

Plus, if there was an evil manipulative being in the world like Satan, what better tactic would work other than the idea that he and a good being don’t exist? Then:
1) we don’t have rules, so if God is real, we’re all charging to hell
and 2) we won’t know to look out for his schemes because we aren’t aware of him. You don’t shield yourself from an arrow from an archer you don’t see.
0 ups, 4y
Except the Torah says nothing about Satan - who sits in the Heavenly Council with the other Gods - is evil. In fact, it says he works as an adversary on behalf of Yahweh, sort of like a court prosecutor.
0 ups, 4y
God follows the laws of nature believe it or not. the power to influence matter is not magical, thats all I'll say about that.
next: he did not write the book, his followers did. and his followers were given somethings to write, but most of the time it's a record of the people and God's hand in their lives.
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WHY DO PEOPLE INSTANTLY THROW OUT RELIGION BASED ON AN INCONSISTENCY THEY FIND, NOT EVEN CHECKING TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACTUALLY INCONSISTENT; BUT HOLD ON TO EVOLUTION, EVEN IF ITS ENTIRE FOUNDATION BECOMES INCONSISTENT, SAYING "WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT EVOLUTION IS STILL TRUE"?