Big business loves long lockdowns

This is true. My state flipped from a blue governor to a red one because so many people loathed the former's COVID policies.

Looks like man in the chair had COVID. If Trump had handled it better, man in the chair wouldn't be dead.

Yup.

Trump did this. 10/10

When I read your reply, it smacked of pure sarcasm to me.

Then I see your reply to Guillermo, which also smacks of sarcasm.

So, which reply is what you believe?

If you really hate Trump, your first reply is pretty weak. Not just from a clear communication perspective, but from a facts perspective. Let's take a theoretical Biden handling of covid 19 as a point of comparison, against what he did for the country during the H1N1 pandemic.

Under his watch, 60 million people caught H1N1. With the same death rate as covid 19, there would currently be over 1,000,000 deaths in the US. And you know damn well that even a single vaccine would be months, if not years in our future. His method of handling covid 19 would have been to wear a mask, shut down the country, destroy our economy and in so doing, destroy our livelihoods and eventually our lives.

So Trump has done a pretty good job, imo. Of course he could have done better. A lot of people think he could have set a better example by wearing a mask. Those people are children who need a parental figure in the white house. Congratulations, you've got an incoming parental... well, grand-parental... okay, let's be honest, great-grand-parental figure coming into the white house.

Sorry, check that. In a Harris - Biden administration, Joe will go right back to being the VP.

Indeed, let's compare.

Your first error is the appeal from ignorance that you start by saying "Let's compare." You can't compare two viruses to another as they behave differently in symptoms, treatment, and transmission. So, there's your first Covidiot star.

Second, to pretend that the death count was the same when it obviously wasn't is a fool's errand. Especially when hind sight is 20/20. Well. There we were in 2020. We had hindsight, and Trump *STILL* f**ked it up. Royally. He actually created more problems than solved them.

We can't talk about what would have happened without considering all the alternatives associated with it. If you think the virus would not have been handled differently with a higher kill efficiency similar to COVID, you're wrong. If H1N1 had COVID lethality, government shut down would have happened then, too. But it didn't. People already had partial immunities to the Flu, we had treatments for it, With COVID? We have no existing treatment or prohylaxis for COVID-19 like we did for H1N1 in 2009. That's the difference.

COVID 19 also has a higher infection rate and a higher case-fatality rate.
COVID-19 has a longer incubation time, making it harder to track until it's too late, where the flu is usually next day or day after.

Public Health Officials under Obama saw that H1N1 wasn't going to be cataclysmic (unlike COVID) so they didn't place harsh restrictions. Why? Because while yes, 60 million people contracted H1N1, only 12,469 died. That's simply not comparable to what we have today: 12.7million recovered, 362,123 dead. Do you even math?

Trump actually put the country at great risk by doing 5 rallies in just 2 days. Over 50 rallies over the course of August to October. Suggested we put disinfectant into us, shine light into us, then had the knowledge about the pandemic in February and chose not to tell anyone because "he didn't want to create a panic." Yet, he wasn't shy to cause panic from the caravans of immigrants. He wasn't shy to cause panic about BLM, He wasn't shy to cause panic about anyone who opposed him. No, this was going to look bad for him. Keep it under wraps as long as you can. Then, deny, deny, deny.

"Those people are children who need a parental figure in the white house. Congratulations, you've got an incoming parental... well, grand-parental... okay, let's be honest, great-grand-parental figure coming into the white house."
>> You said it best. We'd rather have that than a child in the White House.

Of course you can compare two viruses. You can compare two of anything. The fact that you don't want to, tells me I hit pretty close to home with that one.

Nobody pretended anything about the death count. I pointed out how many potential deaths there could have been under Biden's watch, had the death rate for his virus been the same as covid. Again, your irrational reply tells me I hit pretty close to home.

So all of a sudden, hindsight is 20/20? Wow, you sure do want to give Sundowner Joe a lot of leeway when it comes to hindsight, but apparently not to Trump. Using situational values like that only makes anything you say seem false, and self-serving for whatever point you're trying to make.

The one good point you made, and for which I will say we may have some theoretical common ground is that Biden may have handled his virus differently than Trump handled covid, if the death rate was higher. However, I can say with total confidence that what I've seen from Biden in terms of his proposed ways to handle covid, gives me zero faith that he would have been able to handle his virus any better than Trump handled covid.

Also, the fact that you believe Trump said we should put disinfectant into us, shows just how much your trust in the anti-Trump media is misplaced. I suggest you jettison your trust in the media, and read what he actually said:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-31/

And since you mentioned "shine a light into us" here's some more information that the media would never tell you. It's a link to a story that explains internal UV light technology is (or was, I haven't kept up with it...) actually in development. And perhaps not so coincidentally, it came out a few days before Trump's presser. The one the media has lied to you about from jump.

https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b

Looking at your previous posts you actually believe that.

Yeah, I'm partial to facts.

But didn't Biden blurt outsomething like "truth over facts"?

Yes, he did. I don't agree with him. You see, unlike deranged, dependent Trump supporters, my beliefs are not centered around everything he says. That's how democracy works - you know the thing that Trump supporters are working overtime to destroy. You could say it's anti-American and that they hate this country. Shame on them.

If you truly believe you don't base your opinion on what Trump says, then what is it based on?

I've been telling the anti-Trumpers all along to ignore most of what he says, and pay attention to what he does. Maybe we have more in common that I realized... Probably not.

It's almost like they're spitting on all of our soldiers who are working to protect our freedoms. But they'd rather give their loyalties to a person, rather than the Constitution of the United States.

Sorry, you walked into that one, chud.

I get this meme, and yes, President Trump did allow state governors to make their own rules, and state governors who heavily reinforced lockdowns are COMPLETELY to blame for the death of small businesses, we the people need to stand up and be Americans again! Small business owners need to find the courage to stand up to these bullies, and employed people need to stand behind them.