Never give in; Never unify with them

You say "Never give in; Never unify with them"
Does everyone realize that what you said is anti-American and designed to rip this country apart.
I've never seen more evidence of an OP being a Russian shill than you. Are you one of Putin's Siberian bitches?

To be fair, a lot of people (I presume you are included in this, based on the condescending and unfair language you use to describe Trump and his supporters) spend the last four years crying about everything Trump has done while in office, so don't dish it out if you can't take it from those who are prepared to treat you the same way.

of course we have cried for the last four years. No one denies that. How could we not cry over his administration. We have had to deal with an egomaniac who is also an authoritarian fascist and fosters hate, racism, and division while providing TRILLIONS to the wealthy. And on top of that we have to deal with his lies, and bullying, and name calling. And worst of all are his supporters that LOVE him for these things. So yes...we have been crying for the past 4 years. But to be fair, its really no different than your salty tears between 2008 and 2016.

And BTW..whatever gave you the impression that "I couldn't take it." Your premise is flawed as was your logic. Strike one and strike two.

Ha, you assume I cried during Obama's presidency...look pal, the great thing about our country is no President lasts more than eight years...you got lucky and only had to live with Trump for four. My biggest gripe with Obama was him trying to forcibly suppress religious groups within the country. Other than that life was generally fine.

Trump is not an authoritarian fascist, and anything he says is construed as some form of hate speech so I really don't need to hear you lefties attacking him or righties defending him. I can form my own opinions thank you very much.

No, his supporters love him (generally) because he promised to let them live how they want, while he focused on scaling back our foreign involvement and revamping the country. Did it work? Time will tell. However people like you made it a lot more difficult for him by only focusing on his mistakes and refusing to work with him on literally anything.

Obama made mistakes. He did great things too. Trump made mistakes. He did great things too. Why can you accept that balance with Obama and not do so for Trump? I've done it for both. It's really not that hard.

THANK YOU for being a productive member of society

I try my best. :)

McConnell dropped a stack of 1200 things on Trump's desk the minute he took office that he needed to blindly sign off on. He didn't know shit about leading a country and has done a miserable job of it. He's done his best to alienate all of our allies, though, kissed ass to hostile dictators, single-handedly brought back racism and made that ok again (pun intended), spent months denying a pandemic was real to the point that many of his supporters still think it's a Dem hoax and 300,000 Americans have died. After all of that, he doesn't get a pat on the back for shit. Sorry.

Also how did Obama oppress religious groups? By mandating that employers' insurance cover contraceptives and Plan B? No one forced them to hire employees in the first place.

So while your condescending speech might bring the warm and fuzzies to all the white supremacist Trumpers here, I'm just calling bullshit.

- Presidents on both sides have passed lots of measures fronted by their party. I don't expect a realtor to be a political guru.
- He's certainly been caustic towards many of our closer allies, but that has largely been posturing to make them pay their fair share in alliances such as NATO...It's not fair to let a moderately wealthy country like Poland pay their NATO due and a massive economy like Germany or France slack off. Iran has so far been unresponsive to his maximum pressure strategy, so I'll agree we failed there. North Korean denuclearization is about as likely as the sun freezing over tomorrow, so I think Trump's fundamental shift away from that as a stipulation for a treaty between NK and us was something that would have been done sooner or later under any administration. He's cultivating an alliance with India, which could easily become one of our most powerful allies. He's supporting Taiwan in the face of rampant Chinese aggression.
- 'Single-handedly brought back racism' is a claim that nobody can defend. Those problems have been festering under the radar for decades. Trump is certainly less than eloquent as a speaker, and I wish he would have condemned white supremacy during the debate (that killed him politically, in my opinion). However, he has labelled the KKK a terrorist organization and condemned it many times. He has the support of prominent black leaders. I fail to see how any more blame can be placed at Trump's feet than those of city and state leadership that has, by all accounts, failed their black communities if they are indeed subject to systemic discrimination and persecution.
- Obama tried to force a religious organization, the Little Sisters of the Poor, to violate a central tenant of their Catholic faith and provide abortifacients and contraceptives to those under their care. This is a blatant violation of religious liberty, basic human rights to self determination, and frankly was one of the most un-American things I've seen done by a President in years. I don't support discrimination against any religious group, and forcing Catholics to help what they view as genocide is completely inhumane and should be roundly condemned by all who believe in religious liberty. Failure to do so is every bit as bigoted as someone who judges people by the color of their skin.

- I'm not being condescending. I'm not saying I'm better than you. I'm stating why I believe what I do, and why I say what I do.

Counterproductive is more like it. Read my response to him and then cry.

what

But can anyone explain that the intolerant lefts first alternative in 2016 was Russia was how trump won, but now with evidence and they are all sheep an say there’s not evidence

Get this straight!!!! There is not a single shred of factual evidence that is going reverse the election. Trump lost get over it.

dead people voting for biden, trump votes put in holes to be buried, democrats trying to block observer's view of the ballots, and people voting multiple times for biden:

You Trump traitors have become more delusional than any Democrat lolol You have nothing but what Trump spoon feeds you and proof??? Screw proof Trump the traitor says it so it's true. You people make me laugh and puke at the same time

you just said screw proof, which means screw the truth which means that you dont love America. you are an idiot

Just you wait sugar boo

Guess who was trying to cheat? You guys.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/trumps-wisconsin-campaign-asks-pennsylvania-cast-late-ballots/6182506002/

I don’t understand, what ur trying to prove doesn’t exist seeing as the link is invalid and does not work

Will all this smoking gun evidence show up "before" all the Hillary, Obama, Hunter Biden smoking gun evidence shows up? and they get arrested

The Senate Intelligence Committee - led by Republicans - found that Russia not only interfered with their cyber campaign, but also hacked the DNC (and the RNC but didn't dump their emails which only means they're all being blackmailed with them instead), and hacked into voting machines in all 50 states. Republicans decided this why? Because they found proof obviously.

Guess what the Dept of Homeland Security found this time? No evidence of tampering or voter fraud. NONE.

actually they found that the russians did get access to the votes, but did nothing with them, that's why he became president and wasn't disqualified

I don't think there was enough fraud in either election to turn the results...it's a bummer, because I wanted Trump to win, but I dare not open the 'we can overturn election results without overwhelming evidence' can of worms, because that could backfire massively on us,

Better to let people deal with Biden and Kamala for a few years and see if we can't rebuild at the midterms.

It would be a delight if Trump cult members could use the same logical and rational thought you did.

Hopefully The Republicans can find a half ass decent choice for 24 so I don't have to vote Democrat for a 2nd time. I almost puked having to do it the first time ever

I voted for Trump purely because I oppose abortion and larger government, but I understand where you're coming from. A lot of people couldn't stomach him at all.

Just a side note: I don't actually know how Owens would fare as President, but if a real estate mogul can do it without nuking the planet I think she'd be an excellent option.

Mogul?????? Trump was, is and always will be smoke and mirrors. He is what I would call "cash poor"

If he had to pay off all his factual debt right now? I feel he'd be left pretty well broke as wealth actually goes.

True wealthy people most likely laugh at Trump. He's like # 2,143 on the list of world billionaires. In fact? I would say he's a f**king dunce considering his daddy gave him 400 million and he lost it.

And needed to get more from daddy.

Trump the guy who brags but never proves it. Check it he routinely loses more than he makes

As for Owens? Honestly I think she's an arrogant smug little c**t from what I've seen of her

Here is the major problem as I see it with Americans regarding politics. Both sides seem to believe only they can deliver the product.

Example Trump apparently thought he was going to "drain the swamp"

It was a lie from day one. And people should be smart and rational enough to know it was but it made them all tingly so they ate it up

Just like now. Biden is not going to deliver on most of his BS but I chose him because he was the least to worry about

I'm not worried in the least that Democrats are going to abolish ICE, The Border Patrol, Police and Prisons. That's not going to happen

Every 4 years it's the same bs fear mongering about this and that from Both sides.

But I will say this. Trump was the first guy in D.C that actually spooked me about the what limited future I have left LOL

Trump has been called a mogul by many, at this point he's earned the title regardless of his financial status. Anyone who says otherwise is arguing he's not one of the most famous and (status-wise) important people on the planet now, which is patently absurd.

Wow, that's quite the sexist insult against a black woman you made...and all because she holds different views than you, not because she actually does things worthy of those words. Might want to rein it in there pal, you don't want to be mistaken for a racist or a sexist.

Duh, nobody is truly right, especially in a Constitutional Republic. The entire point is that compromise delivers results the fastest. The problem is, people have been indoctrinated by both parties to think that they somehow DESERVE the right to rule, rather than a chance to make a deal.

Trump didn't nuke the planet, just the country. And Owens is a nutjob who once made headlines for suing for discrimination but now says there's no such thing as racism. Screw her and the white power horse she rode in on.

Or, she realized that 'institutional racism' isn't actually as prevalent as people think, and thus decided to switch sides. That's not 'white power'...that's a black woman exercising her right to think independently.

And now? How did Trump do about abortion and larger government? If you are honest you will admit you like all Trump "supporters" you got played by the piece of shit.

The sad thing? Even now his cult refuses to admit it and apparently will go over the edge for him.

I can't understand how so many people willingly threw away any morals and integrity they may have had for Trump.

America was great before Trump and will be now. The Anti-American concept that a single person is what makes America great make anyone who thinks that a f**king imbecile who should leave.

A mature attitude. Now that deserves a pat on the back.

Ha. Thanks. I'm perfectly happy to play the long game and make changes within the system, rather than working around it. If only everyone shared that viewpoint.

i suppose im fine with it as long as biden and kamala dont turn us into a socialist/communist nation or defund the police. I'm just not fine with how people say trump is the worst president when he's done nothing too bad.

For all their talk, and the talk of the ultra-progressives supporting them, Biden and Kamala won't have the authority to do those things. The most dangerous they and a supportive Congress could do would be packing the Courts, which could very well lead to the destruction of the Constitution as we know it. Look at Venezuela if you want to see what packing the court brings about.
That's just it: Everything Trump has done is vilified by most media outlets. They whip people up into a frenzy over even the good stuff he does. Do you remember the Republican primaries back in 2015/16? The media treated Trump like their golden boy. They said nothing bad about him and casually fronted him even. The only network that apparently meant it, with the benefit of hindsight, was FOX news. The others all cut Trump to pieces the moment he was the nominee. It's blatantly unfair to the man.
Yes, he's a jerk and he did bad things before. However, his track record in office on most issues has been incredibly good. The problem is that people boil things down to oversimplified soundbites they can regurgitate at a moment's notice that make him look like Satan manifest, even though many of those supposed transgressions become believable, or positively benign, with the benefit of context. That context though is never provided by the media consumed by the anti-Trump crowd.

I cant argue with that, it is true

Obama "suppressed religious groups"??? really??? Holy crap...this is the first time I ever heard of that. Did Tucker just start talking about it? I know a few months ago on a slow news day, Hannity was talking about White Water again.

tRUMPf is an authoritarian fascist in both definition and practice. He is more of a fascist than any other politician in US History. "Let people live how they want" sounds very vague and general.
What I remember most is tRUMPf, Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell selling us on $2 Trillion in tax refund checks to this nation's wealthiest in the name of "trickle down." It was the greatest hoax in the history of this nation, and there are specific examples. Many have suffered but big corps had many stock buybacks.

And your whole theory of "scaling back foreigh involvement" has left us isolated and laughing stocks of the entire world. He has insulted our allies, ridiculed third world countries, pulled us out of organizations of consequence, and promoted and compliments dictators and communist overlords. There is multiple examples of document proof on this.

I also remember a president ignoring and LITERALLY downplaying Covid (to which there are multiple videos to prove that). Then there is this latest stunt of his which represents what I consider to be the greatest reason why he is the greatest enemy the United States has ever had:
He sews hatred, intolerance, the normalization of racism, and division among Americans. Between his nasty insulting tweets, his bullying, his list of malevolent nicknames, etc, he has shown that he is only the President of his own base and no one else.

tRUMPf is an authoritarian fascist of the highest order and I say this not based off of the media, but from my own observations of what he says and does. And now he calls 1 million of his followers to DC to celebrate a fake victory? He knows exactly what will happen and that is why he is doing it. He is going to take the country down in flames and will sabotage the next administration. THAT is the POTUS that is doing that. He deserves prison or a stroke. He is the greatest enemy the US has ever had.

I don't even like Biden but after an entire life of never voting Democrat I had no choice. F**k Trump and everyone who thinks he was good for America rather than the traitor he is

how is trump a traitor?

Yes, Obama did in fact violate the basic beliefs and First Amendment rights of the Little Sisters of the Poor, a Catholic organization, by attempting to force them to destroy a central Catholic belief of theirs and provide abortifacients and contraceptives to folks under their care. This was a complete betrayal of a basic American value, which is that all people have the right to exercise their religious beliefs.

The most fascist President in history was Woodrow Wilson, who arrested those who spoke against the Federal government and was by all accounts a nasty, racist bigot.

So you support keeping our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq (in the latter case this is outside the requirements of Operation New Dawn), fighting an endless war that we essentially won years ago? We can accomplish more abroad with fewer troops, Trump did right by us by trying to spare families the heartbreak of losing a loved one. He's also cultivating new alliances with India, reinforcing our relationship with Taiwan and Japan, and de-escalated tensions with North Korea by recognizing American foreign policy with that dictatorship (there's a real fascist for you) can no longer be based off NK denuclearization.

I remember Pelosi and Schumer downplaying the threat of the virus until early March too. In February she released a video of her in a crowded San Francisco square, encouraging them to mingle and not to fear what she said was essentially a flu. This was at the time Trump tried to ban travel from virus-ridden China.

If you think Trump is the greatest enemy the U.S ever had, then I encourage you to read about three events: The Civil War (356,000 U.S troops died putting down an insurrection that was, at its core, trying to defend the "right" to own and enslave other human beings), World War II (Given your childish insults of 'tRUMPf' I assume you do know something about Hitler, who actually killed millions of people for having different beliefs than him), and the Cold War (The 'great' dictators of Communist nations killed more than ten times the people Hitler did, and that man's body count was not small).

Perhaps you'll gain a greater perspective on why no President can actually damage this country in any substantial way unless he comes up with a path to subvert the Constitution.

Yeah, I only got past your first paragraph and then quickly skimmed. This story of yours about Obama is fake news. You will have to provide a "legitimate" link to that. I have no doubt that you were fed your information from some radical right source like Hannity or Project Veritas. That shit is all fake and designed to spread misinformation in the name of hate and division. I'm not buying it. But lets see your link anyway Mr. Conspiracy Theory.

And even considering the Civil War, and Hitler, and king George, tRUMPf is STILL the greatest enemy the US has even had. He is fostering hate and division so severe, I honestly believe he is the beginning of the story of the destruction of the American experiment. The only thing that mentioned that could end the US was the Civil War and that was geographic. There still would have been a US. What tRUMPf is doing can literally tear us apart....possible into a series of nation-states.

And I did not know that about Woodrow Wilson but I will look that up as I find that an interesting fact.

I'd prefer you didn't skim what I take the time to write when most people here won't even deign to take you seriously...I regret calling you the 'least informed person on the internet' a while back because you do at least provide talking points.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/obama-beats-the-nuns-on-contraception/398519/

Obama put them in a situation where even their 'out' would require them to condone what Catholics view as genocide. We as Americans cannot stand for this sort of religious persecution. It's not right to hold bigoted views against any religious group, be they Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, or any other organization doing its best to help the world in its own way.

I don't quote Project Veritas on anything, those people are generally on crack (in my opinion). I listen to Bill Maher and Hannity for the entertainment value, and to hear how people on each side think, but I don't go to them for info. I prefer to avoid secondhand sources if possible.

You are certainly right in that a lot of people abhor Trump and, for the people who only judge him by character, I fully understand how divisive he is. Please don't think I'm trying to say he isn't divisive. I just feel that the minority party always overreacts to the incumbent. We're going to see four years of Republicans railing against Biden, just as we've seen Democrats rail against Trump. America will still be here so long as neither side destroys our institutions we've built to safeguard the system.

That is fair. And I did read your post. I was just being a tough guy.
I actually just got through telling another user (OhWell) That I am not anti-Republican. I have voted Republican in the past. If anything happened to tRUMPf, I would back a President Pence 100%, and my urmomstoenail persona would retire permanently.

For me its all about tRUMPf.
I didn't like Obama in 2008. His past seemed too sketchy. I was actually a little scared.
But in 2012 I didn't like Romney at all. Romney became Governor of Massachusetts only to use it as a stepping stone to the Presidency. I researched and found out he basically did nothing as Governor and then announced he would not run for re-election almost as soon as he was able to. I though it was a scum move on his part so I voted Obama. But if Romney won, I would have supported him because he can act like a professional. tRUMPf cannot.

I just can't stand tRUMPf and I admit that over the past few years I have evolved into a liberal / lefty, but it was because of tRUMPf. I don't mind being accused of TDS and I admit that I am a little radical at times but I honestly believe that tRUMPf is a serious threat the health of this nation.

Bring on another Republican who wants to stimulate the economy to the point of self-sufficiency and wants to strengthen America both domestically and internationally, and they could get my vote. And if they want to get rid of Obamacare, that is perfectly fine. I just want them to have a better plan in place.

Well. Goodnight.

Disliking Trump because of his personality is totally fair. I have never supported him on moral grounds either. However I do think it's terribly wrong and misleading to call him the worst President and enemy we've ever faced, or label him a dictator or fascist. He hasn't expanded the government. In fact, the biggest criticism lobbed against him (not doing enough against COVID) was because he wouldn't override state rights. The most big-scary government thing he did was rebuild the military, but that's something a global leader needs to do anyways.

I don't think Obama was a sketchy dude, he just bothered me because I disagreed with his policy. Specifically, he loaded courts with people I'd call questionable (with regards to being unbiased) at best and his, "let's force people to get insurance" part of the ACA is the only thing that would ever be vulnerable to court action.

Romney is in it for himself, he doesn't have a spine and is the definition of a career politician. I'd be happy if some other Republican took his seat.

Unless I see substantive proof that the massive levels of fraud required to flip an election occurred, I refuse to contest the results.

Besides, I'm sure both sides are guilty of cheating in many cases, so it's not exactly a one-sided accusation.

There needs to be a mute button for Imgflip. I know at this point toenail is some troll alt that believes maybe 5% of all he says. Nothing can convince me otherwise. :P

Indeed.

Haha, I'm inclined to agree...I suppose feeding him is a bad thing, but I find it entertaining myself and it keeps me on my toes.

Sometimes I can't hold back myself.

I applaud you, sir.

Nothing to applaud here except this:

“I don't think there was enough fraud in either election to turn the results...it's a bummer, because I wanted Trump to win, but I dare not open the 'we can overturn election results without overwhelming evidence' can of worms, because that could backfire massively on us,

Better to let people deal with Biden and Kamala for a few years and see if we can't rebuild at the midterms.” -IGK3777

It's astounding how absurd some people here are.

I find fighting them online is a complete waste of time best to catch them in real life. They don't stand a chance. It's honestly disgusting to me how much they're willing to deny and lie to avoid answering a question or justifying their stance on a subject.

I rather enjoy it, purely because it forces me to stay on my toes and actually know enough to defend my views. Here on the internet it's not worth much, but if you educate yourself and can put together the same arguments in real life you may make a definitive impact on someone.

Besides, it's fun when they rage at you because they can't put together cohesive arguments.

Yeah...

If you or anyone else is stuck in a world of cognitive dissonance and only want information that re-enforces your confirmation bias it won't matter how factual and cohesive their argument is.

You and others will simply ignore, deflect and lie rather than accept facts and information that breaks down your views

People for the most part hate being wrong

I'm fully willing to accept when I'm wrong. I've had my mind changed on several issues after good discussions, mostly because I had a preconceived notion I couldn't later support.
However, I really know if I can make the claim that I won or lost an argument, since I think people who debate do generally feel passionate about their angle and it's up to third-party viewers to judge who 'won'.

Really?????? Trump allowed you to live as you please?????? And how exactly is that and how exactly did Obama take that away from you. Post actual proof that can be fact checked

What are you on?? I didn't say Obama took stuff away from me...neither did Trump.

As I said, my biggest complaint about Obama was how he directly violated the First Amendment rights of the Little Sisters of the Poor, a Catholic group, by attempting to FORCE them to provide abortifacients and contraceptives to patients in their care. This was a direct violation of a basic American belief and I absolutely loathe it.

Excellent post. Nobody should be so extremely supportive of a presidential candidate that it clouds their vision.

HILARIOUS a Trumper reminding anyone not to dish it out if you can't take it. Your dear leader has LOST. The Dept of Homeland Security found NO TAMPERING, NO VOTES CHANGED, NO VOTES DELETED. Nothing! This f*cking nightmare of an administration is done. Thank you Lord Jesus!

fighting trumps corruption, more like standing with the communists

Seems like your logic is as logical as your username.

When you meet someone who thinks Socialism is communism:

Actually Democrats say that communism is better for america so they are both socialists and communists

Communism would be better for the middle and poor class but not the rich

yes, but it also means that you dont get to earn anything for work

I guess so. Like dude in my opinion the best system would be a mix of Socialism and Capitalism.

Dude...I'm not contesting the results of the election. I've not once said any of the results are fraudulent, nor do I think there was any substantive voter fraud. I held this view in 2012, I held it in 2016, and I hold it today in 2020.
Does this mean I'm happy with the results? Heck no, I'm super bummed out and I pray the next four years go well. However, I'm not prepared to open the can of worms that is contesting election results just because I don't like them. Don't throw me in with actual idiots just because I supported a different candidate and policies than you.

I voted for Trump. What's your point?

Nice selfie.

in 2016 the democrats did the same exact thing idiot