[Both sides. Oh yeah... both sides need to hear this.] Who’s with me, PoliticsTOO?

Sorry, but I will not sign. Republicans are intimidating and suppressing voters. I expect right wing terrorism tomorrow, and I expect it to affect turnout. If trump and putin cheat out another win, as I expect they will, he will not be a legitimate ruler. It'll be time for massive civil disobedience, strikes, and secessions, not accepting the rigged results. Everything trump's been accusing the Democrats of, he's guilty of.

If you’d like, you can sign with the caveat “barring massive and substantiated irregularities.”

I have no doubt the fascists in our midst (and abroad — Russia not to mention China, Iran, and North Korea) will try to do their worst on Election Day.

But so many people have voted early already, and we’ve seen relatively few reported irregularities thus far, so I remain optimistic that we’ll get an accurate enough count to make a call.

Part of Trump‘s strategy is to make the outcome of the election unknowable. Let’s reject that and lean on our 200+ year tradition of successfully decided elections — big caveat for 2000, however.

Point taken.

The "funny" fact is that Putin has no further use for Trump anymore (keyword "Nord Stream 2" as one example) but many oligarchs and military top ranks want to keep their pup in the WH mainly for business reasons (those mails will be very interesting to read...).

Putin knows that with Biden the wind will change, not in favour of him. But with Trump becoming rather a hindrance than an asset, Biden might be a chance to improve Putins standing in world politics when talks begin.

And almost everything CNN’s blamed trump for, the Democrats are guilty of. Russia needs to stop being involved in everything. It’s been disproven more than once, & yet these ppl don’t seem to think we remember anything.
Also the right wing is not terrorist. Terrorists don’t welcome members of the opposite party with open arms at their rallies to support their leader. What they do is murder you or persecute you or insult you (this one the left wing is the king of) if you don’t agree with them. Everything you just said was news media conspiracy theories that have been disproven multiple times.
And what you just said sums up some of my problems with the left. They accuse the right of disproven things and then get unpeaceful about things & blame all the rage and hate (that they’re full of) on trump. Trump was hated b4 he was even inaugarated. Ppl called for his assassination b4 November 10 had even passed.
War is not a solution, and if this became a political war, it would be like a hot Cold War, with the left not differing much from Communist Russia.

I disagree.

Where’d u find that?
Dyk statistics can be rigged? Especially hypothetical ones?

The source is indicated in the bottom left.

It’s a chart with source data from the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, printed by the Economist.

These aren’t hypothetical statistics: They’re very real attacks.

Anyone genuinely interested in ending political violence in this country (on “both sides”) needs to know the facts first.

Do you know there are books called “How to Lie with Statistics?” I rarely trust statistics these days, b/c they often contradict each other & their predictions rarely turn up to be true.

I said they were hypothetical b/c the top thing it says is “top threats.” Well, I could easily chart my “threats to the homeland” but that doesn’t mean I’m right or that the homeland would fall to those ppl. Actually, tbh, there could be secret clubs. What’s rlly surprising 2 me is the lack of mention 4 ISIS and stuff like that, but religion has a percentage. (Unless they’re grouping ISIS with that). But i don’t think it’s fair 2 throw all religion in one category, b/c Christianity teaches peace, & Christians are not usually violent, unless there are cult christianities. There is a church that rejoices when hurricanes come, & I’m sure they’re elated with all this covid crap, but i don’t even think they should be counted as Christian due to their lack of commitment to the Bible’s instructions.
Also Scientology should be mentioned since families attack other family members, & I don’t even think that organization deserves the title of “religion.” It’s more of a business. A very corruptly run business.

Those aren't hypothetical. In America the right wing is more violent than the left, and Republicans currently lie more than Democrats and cheat more than Democrats. And that doesn't mean the American left is never violent, nor that the Democrats didn't lie more or cheat more when they were infested with white supremacists. They did.

Kudos to you for being that reasonable with someone who is regulary setting any BS detector to "overload".

That’s reasonable? He just stated stuff without even explaining himself. I gave instances behind my claims, but I’m whatever what u said meant b/c I’m not agreeing w/ the left? He just basically committed the fact check fallacy, where u just state stuff as truth.

Where? And from which sources?

All you had done so far was ranting about the dumb (but evil) Democrats/Libtards without any substantial argument backing your accusations apart from "BLM/AntiFa is looting and rioting".

No one but you, Fucx News and the shitspinners like InfoWuss and DailyDiarrhea had linked the lootings directly to the protesters. About the riots themselves - my opinion is that they were unneccessary as they had discredited the whole point of the protests. But after reading all that sludge in the "poo-litics" stream and getting to learn the minds behind it, I can understand to a certain extent why some protesters had resorted to more drastic measures.

Believe it or not, but I'm drawing my information from a lot of sources from all over the world, even in different languages. And when 99 serious sources are reporting that Trump is permanently inciting his followers to violence (to name only one example), it's highly unlikely that I'm going to believe that only "source" being run by nutters, fascists etc.

First, i don’t watch fox, i don’t even know what info - wait these are insults aren’t they?

U r being proof right now of ppl being insulting & hateful 2ward ppl who hold different opinions.

I don’t think u came with an open mind, & therefore learned the Democrat version of their minds. Many conservatives don’t know how to properly express themselves, & a lot of them like 2 make fun of democrats just like democrats mocked them. However, some can have a logical conversation not built of hate and rage.

If you really want 2 see a mind of an objective republican, i suggest u watch #WalkAway videos. It’s a movement a gay man started about walking away from the democrat party. (Btw the man who started it voted for Hillary in 2016).

Republicans and trumpists, yes. Conservatives, not necessarily.

I don't consider trump cultists to be conservatives. I have some respect for true conservatives, and agree with them on some issues. trump cultists, on the other hand, I consider to be fascists or marks for "president" con man.

Didn’t u say u wanted them all defeated tho?

Telling you that you are a lying idiot is no insult, but merely stating facts.

EOD.

Ehhh... He may be honestly fooled by trumpist propaganda. Calling him an idiot won't help him see he's been conned. That's not how you free someone from a dangerous cult.

While I don't believe in compromising with trumpism, I do believe in forgiving pretty much anyone who repents of it.

Wow. Idiot is an insult, & “lying”? So if i don’t agree with you I’m a liar?

Idek what 2 say 2 the first two paragraphs b/c they don’t have anything 2 do with what i said.

99 serious sources? Like what? I’ve seen many of the sources, but they say the same ol stuff CNN says.

& trump rallies are not filled with violence.

Where did you hear any of that? Democrat news? It’s completely unrealistic. The left openly supports BLM and antifa & claims the right is more violent?
Also hdyk who cheats more? Ik voter fraud happens, but i won’t rlly assume who cheats more b/c I’m not close in it (although i do have a feeling dems would cheat more given the characteristics I’ve seen them to have).
And wdym republicans lie more? Dyk when the housing bust happened, Democrats openly supported it & then blamed the entire thing on the Republicans when it failed? The same ppl who supported it suddenly said they were against it all along & they were fighting against the republicans to keep it from happening. No one ever mentioned this.
Do you know Joe Biden and Kamala Harris both claimed Biden would end fracking, but then Harris said it was a fact that Biden would keep fracking going? There are actual clips of this.
Dems are now just infested with - i would say black supremacists (b/c of the reverse racism they push), but they don’t rlly care about black ppl past getting votes. They talk down on black ppl routinely. Joy Behar did blackface & it was a “montage” but ppl’s whole careers have been ruined 4 that very thing b/c black ppl consider it offensive.
Idk where ppl get that there’s more crap going on w/ the republicans, but it’s not rlly true.

Sorry, but when, on the first day of his "presidency," he claimed he had bigger inauguration crowds than Obama, and his cultists made the same obviously dishonest claim, I knew to never trust trump or a trump cultist. I'll take just about anyone's word above yours. Even if you gave proof of your claims, and I'm sure a few are true, I've heard enough out of Republicans' own mouths to never, ever vote for one.

You see, when Trump came to power, I wasn't that enthusiastic given his history, but my thoughts were "maybe he is a better politician than a businessman".

14 days later, my thoughts changed to "no, he isn't".

1 month later: "Heavens, he's worse than Bush jr!"

1 year later: "Hope they impeach & throw him in jail"

And from that moment on, my views on Trump went really downhill.

Wow. Idek wot to think about that, but u can’t dump an entire party on that account. Do u know if that was true or did u assume it wasn’t? I think it’s an odd thing to say, but tbh the one thing trump does that gets on my nerves is the stuff he says. So u & i might agree on some problems with trump. However, i don’t look at ppl entirely by what they say, b/c ppl are capable of lying.
If u won’t believe anything i say just b/c i support trump, that’s just being unreasonable. It doesn’t change whether or not what i said was true. And I’ve heard a lot from the left to nvr vote 4 one. For example, Lyndon B Johnson literally said “we’ll have those n****as voting democrat 4 two centuries.” Ppl would nvr vote republican again if a conservative said that, but I’ll bet very few ppl on this stream even know he said that.

I saw pictures of the crowds. Obama's were much larger. Then Sean Spicer came out and angrily lied light to our faces. And trump's lying supporters backed him up.

I've never voted for a Republican (I split my votes between Democrats, Greens, and Libertarians), but once trump was nominated and other Republicans started supporting him, I decided the Republican Party should be barred from the ballot and disbanded. I believe they are a crime syndicate, and their voters are rubes. I only vote for Democrats in order to defeat them.

So ig it only matters when trump lies. Biden & Harris have both lied during this election, but all anyone wants 2 talk about is how much trump’s lied.
I said it was an odd thing 2 say, since it’s likely trump wasn’t even at Obama’s crowds. Also, crowds are all over America. Obama and Trump both filled crowds watching them from nowhere near the White House.

I actually didn’t trust trump at first either. I thought he was a Democrat coming 2 derail the party at first. But after i saw what he was doing in office, i realized that that was a bunch of media propoganda.

And let’s say trump lied, even with malicious intent (this kind of lie would hurt absolutely nobody but let’s just say it had evil intentions). Should the entire Republican Party be disbanded b/c of one man’s lie?
Plus, if u’re offended by lying, u’re not too deep in2 politics, b/c one of the reasons trump was supported was b/c he wasn’t a politician, who are notorious for lying their heads off every time they open their mouth. Obama, the Clintons, and Nancy Pelosi are the worst at it. They’re just total actors. I don’t like lying very much, & I’m surrounded by a life full of disappointment, but i also know that in politics, lying is freaking everywhere & is unavoidable. And the stuff they say trump lies about is so odd 2 even have a problem with anyway.

I don't believe you.

One of my biggest beefs with Biden is that he talks about bipartisanship and compromising with Republicans, while I believe the Republican party should be obstructed at every turn and utterly defeated.

Biden is a politician and will say whatever he can to get votes. Obama said the same thing and had absolutely no interest in fulfilling that. & i knew he wouldn’t b4 he was elected.

What u’re saying about republicans is what should be done with the radical left, which is causing more ppl 2 become republican. The radical left scares me, b/c i am educated about history.

I didn't vote for Obama the second time. I hope you'll learn the same lesson about trump.

I’m very concerned with one who says he won’t
I hope the Army is on the side of the Constitution, not an Orange man

The Army has already stated that they wanted to keep themselves out of a conflict about the election as far as possible (which is a good sign, at least for now). That leaves a wide field for speculations about a possible engagement in case that a conflict escalates.

But while the military top ranks are almost uniform in their disapproval of Trump overall, same can't be said for the lower ranks of which a good deal is on the side of Trump for sure.

In the end, it's only up to Trump if he condemns the nation like Hitler did in 1945.

May be right about the lower ranks, but I doubt any would desert their units to join some Bubba Brigade and a stupid "insurrection", if it ever really happens. If you're in the military, the possibility of serving under a POTUS you're not fond of is a fact of life. You still do your job.

Sounds nice in theory, but with the recent news, I do have my doubts about a peaceful transition of power. As not only the bus attack had shown, things are really going out of hand and I'm not sure if Trump can put the genie back in the bottle anymore.

And with a highly mechanized equipment but with only enough manpower to use it, it doesn't take many men leaving to cripple the power decisively.

Officially, the Armed forces prerogative is to stay out of elections. However, they swear allegiance to the constitution. No man is above that.
It’s the fail safe the founders installed to keep This Country from becoming a Kingdom.
It naive to believe plans don’t exist for worst case scenarios. If the military’s conclusion is that Trump declaring himself President, is violating the Constitution? The shit hits the fan for Trump.
Even if half the Troops support Trump? It’s a soldier’s duty to follow orders whether the agree with them or not. Regardless of the theories,We shall see, very soon.

Especially if Joe is officially certified as the winner. Once that happens, it should be game over. But with Trump's unhinged followers, who knows?

Ever get a bad feeling in your gut?
I have one over this election.
Is there enough sanity left in our institutions to stand up to Trump if he goes into full Dictator mode? Or does everyone roll over and let him do whatever he wants? Then what? It only escalates from that point on.
10 years ago, I would have never believed something as bizarre as this could occur in our America.

"No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force"

- Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

Last I heard, a Stars and Stripes poll showed 45% of active military STRONGLY opposes trump.

I would be more satisfied with a an opposition of 75% or higher. Let's hope that once in his life Trump puts the nation over himself.

I don't believe there's any chance of that.

I think they will be. Trump's fat ass isn't a hill they're willing to die on.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have already vowed to do as much and Gen. Mark Milley apologized for helping to facilitate Trump’s church photo op. Trump has literally been calling them pussies for the last 18 months. I don’t think they’ll miss him.

I’m remaining cautiously optimistic.

Expect large numbers of resignations if Trump tries to force the issue.

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I would gladly want this to happen, but sadly, i don’t think it will be the case either way in this election. If you don’t remember, Bush had to settle both of his presidential victories in court and could nvr celebrate his victory night. They tried to redo the election when Trump won last time. I think this is an election neither side wants to lose, & they’re both willing 2 do whatever it takes to get their guy in office. I think the left is using anger manipulation to get their ppl in office, however, which i have far less respect for than even cheating the election. Yes, there’s been rage in this country for decades, but i think this yr has made me suspicious that the anger is being intentionally spearheaded. And i am not a willing conspiracy theorist. There’s just too many things that don’t add up.
And i also know that they intentionally crop ppl of color out of pictures at trump rallies so they can mob appeal ppl in2 not voting 4 trump, & claim only “racist whites” vote for him.

The Right is doing everything you're accusing the Left of doing.

The last sentence you wrote has negated almost everything you wrote before - with exception of "And i am not a willing conspiracy theorist". And, what do you want to happen - Civil War II?

No i don’t want that. I’m afraid that will happen one day b/c of all the rage and idiocy being incited, but hopefully there’s hope 4 us 2 b more peaceful in the future, if that ever will happen.
How is that a conspiracy theory? I didn’t say i thought that. I said i knew that. I have seen pictures of ppl at trump rallies & then the pictures the news media posts. Ik 4 a fact they do that, so it’s not a conspiracy theory.
And i don’t see how it negates anything else i said.