Ron Swanson

FEAR! YOU MUST HAVE IT! WE CANT CONTROL YOU UNLESS YOU FEEL IT!!!

yup, now they can't claim Trump does not know anything about Corona... Bet they are all broken hearted that Trump was not part of that .1% of Corona fatalities...

By his own logic he literally could never have been part of the corona fatalities.

His obese-ness would have excluded him from being counted as a covid death...because as we all know, if you're fat for 50 years but catch corona and die within a month, your pre-existing condition means you didn't actually die from corona. Did y'all forget about that?

he never said that

Correct. He tweeted it. It was originally a QAnon post which had twisted CDC data into misinformation... and which twitter actually had to take down.

Besides trump himself, a bunch of people here (Lokiare for one), have kept that misinformation going. It was part of the narrative that Coronavirus is essentially fake news.. They would have you believe covid has only actually killed ~ 10,000 people or whatever because the vast majority of deaths involve comorbidities/pre-existing conditions.

It boggles the mind that this will most likely kill quarter of a million Americans and I would almost bet $$ that some people here will continue thinking it's not as bad as the seasonal flu. I like to think they're foreign bots... but who knows.

I guess we should record car accident deaths as Covid deaths.

Let me guess.. you already believe they're doing that. 200,000+ extra deaths this year is actually due to car accidents..... Because of all the.. um... less driving that we're doing.

If you add things up from other causes, who knows how high or low the Covid numbers actually should be? The motive is there too.

The extra deaths this year would seem to be a pretty good indicator... That's why I brought it up. Maybe you can think of a different variable which would account for extra deaths in 2020? Idk if murder hornets actually killed anyone and the fires have killed... maybe 100 in total.

How do you know there have been extra deaths?

The largest descriptive study yet of hospitalized U.S. COVID-19 patients found that 77% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 were overweight or obese.

However..the CDC says only about ~4% of actual deaths have obesity mentioned as a comorbidity so these numbers do seem to be at odds in my opinion.. I would expect it to be higher. Maybe some doctors don't bother listing obesity as a comorbidity but idk.

Pretty good resolution to the discussion: Idk. XD
No one can really know these things for sure.

Nice to have a conversation with someone who doesn't rant and rave constantly. Seems like a lot of people I debate with on Imgflip.

"how are those able to be counted as all covid deaths, when deaths fluctuate and positive tests themselves have been overblown?"

? Excess deaths are not all counted as covid deaths. There is a 10,000+ difference in more excess deaths compared to covid deaths...as you would logically expect. If the reverse of that were the case (more covid deaths were recorded than total excess deaths), it would obviously point to a possibly erroneous or dubious accounting of deaths. I bring up excess deaths merely as an indicator or support for the number of covid deaths. It is possible that a different variable besides covid exists that has killed thousands more this year than usual but as I stated before, I'm not sure what that variable would be.

Yes, deaths per year fluctuate. That's why there is a range of normal deaths per year instead of a fixed number. Numbers above that range are considered "excess".

Not sure what you mean by positive tests themselves have been "overblown". How so? I'm actually of the opinion that positive tests have been underblown.... 1. It seems considerably more likely to get a false negative than a false positive (user error, etc). 2. In the beginning of this, there were simply no tests. Then later we had some but not enough for everyone. 3. There are many people who have coronavirus and are asymptomatic. It was only recently that there have been circumstances requiring testing of broad swaths of people with no symptoms (at their jobs for one). Otherwise, most people with no symptoms don't bother getting tested. 4. I would imagine some % of the population is actually fearful or skeptical of getting tested even if they think they might have it.

Didn't the CDC also say that 94% of Covid deaths had another serious condition, a comorbidity, and so a good portion of those people are already dying before they catch Covid. The fact is that if you don't already have serious health problems you have a very low chance of dying from this virus.

If you prefer graphs, there is also a representation of these excess deaths on the CDC website.

How do you know those numbers are accurate?

6% of covid deaths were people who were otherwise healthy....... and what % of America is healthy?

40% of us are obese.. that's over 100 million people right there.

Don't miss the forest for the trees.

But what % of the Covid numbers are obese. And what % of that doesn't already have a life threatening condition? Point is the death count is suspect, and there would be motive for it to be inflated.

"How do you know those numbers are accurate?"

For those numbers to be inaccurate would mean there is some incredibly vast conspiracy involving the CDC, hospitals, the media, our government, etc... At the peak of this thing bodies were literally piling up at funeral homes. There are countless news articles about it if you are interested... Idk. Do some research. Prove me wrong.

I'm saying how are those able to be counted as all covid deaths, when deaths fluctuate and positive tests themselves have been overblown?

"Didn't the CDC also say that 94% of Covid deaths had another serious condition, a comorbidity, and so a good portion of those people are already dying"

Yes and no. Yes 94% had a comorbidities. But the comorbidities included: obesity... hypertension... diabetes... health factors which millions of Americans live decades with. If Trump had died shortly after testing positive, would you say he was "already dying" because he is clinically obese?

I could be wrong but I am assuming you would not.

Also.. some of the comorbidities listed by the CDC can actually be caused by covid.

6% is still a very small number. The rest we can't necessarily be sure of.

Did I say all Covid deaths are actually due to car accidents?

Calm down there Florida lol jk

well, some of it is true. Some people who died of a pre-existing condition that had covid were counted as covid deaths. also, I think it was TRUMP'S INFORMATION THAT GO TWISTED.

And this is the problem... Some (alleged) handful of people are used to discredit thousands and thousands of others.... It is similar to the "voter fraud" narrative in the same way.

Did you have examples? or are the "people who died of a pre-existing condition" more of a feeling than a fact?

darko_yolo *adjusts bandana

*does not own a bandana.

:P

And as far as your OP meme, I tend to think trump had coronavirus for more than 3 days.. and we definitely need ways to safely continue working. Locking down forever and relying on sporadic govt checks is unsustainable.

Imagine what Ron Swanson would say...

With the best health care in America and arguably the world, it'd be rather surprising if he succumbed to covid.