Says the Christian cross is secular; Probably also believes that America Was Founded As A Christian Nation

You believe it wasn’t established as a Christian nation?

It was estabkised under Christian principals with freedom of worship. No official religion was recognized nor should it be, but the Christian principals remain.

Freedom of worship is not Necessarily a Christian principle. So what,they weren’t atheists as much as you would like that
They were primarily Christians who attended church. The principals are essentially based on the Ten Commandments and at least partly incorporated into the laws they enacted.

I never said any commandments were the basis of amendments. I said the principals of Christianity were part of the founders thinking. The primary principals being the Ten Commandments reflected in the civil law.

It doesn’t. And neither did the founders of the U.S.

The entire country? No. The individual states? Several of them.

False.

We've had this discussion more than once, Dr Hittinger, etc, remember?

The Constitution is like the Bible - those who cite it the most have a curious tendency to have never read it.
That's the beauty of it in Planet 1984.

So let me present the First Amendment, which like the Second, has over time been deliberately reinterpreted to the point that all debates regarding it are in effect rendered nothing more than unintentional satire, and of the bad sort at that.

🔳 "Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992)

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

🔘 "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

or

🔘 prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

That's Congress - as in goverment on the FEDERAL level.
The intention was to PROTECT the establisment of religion on a STATE level - something many States had prior to and after signing the Consitution.

The point was that Congress could not establish a religion that would supersede any that individual States may have established as a state religion. Or, again as it says in plain English, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. That's free exercise of religion - NOT free FROM.

What it defeats, or was intended to, was the establishment of a centralized power grabbing behemoth supplanting the sovereignty of individual states, which is was supposed to safeguard, not replace.

Separation of Church and State is a fiction, not in that Amendment nor anywhere in the Consitution. Most States HAD established religions, taxes to support their Church, as well as prayer in schools, some having religious tests or oaths required to hold office, enforced Sunday Sabbath rules, etc. This bogus reinterpretation has been used to eliminate such when the purpose of that Amendment was to allow that determination to be left up to the States for themselves. What freedom of religion is there when such is shunted aside in favor of religion
- less secularism? Freedom of religion is the least concern of Church/State separation, other than freedom from it, that is.

The First Amendment was to certify State and civilian rights, not make them subjects of the Federal Goverment.

And so there is no official state religion. It didn’t mean for it to be godless, it simply meant it wouldn’t be officially catholic over Protestant or Vice versa and smaller sects would not be persecuted (though they often were) as they had been in Europe. They put in god we trust on the money because they were believers. Modern revisionists think that no official religion meant no god or atheism. It didn’t.

MODERN historians.

Back in the 1770s, however, there is a reason the practice of religion was a protected right, as established by the First Amendement.

Touché, you are correct. The founders did not implement coinage with in god we trust it was approved by Congress in 1861.

Nope. Not until the early 20th century. The First Amendment strictly applied to the *federal* government until then.

It didn't.
It PROTECTED them from the establishment of religion on the Federal level.

It wasn't till the 14th Amendment and well into the 20th Century that the Federal Gov't was able to do so, and that did by warping the 1st Amendment to the opposite of what it was written and intended to do.

Perhaps you badly misunderstand the original intent of the Constitution and the nation it set up. Perhaps you should read some history and learn something.

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/801/established-churches-in-early-america

"New Hampshire kept its establishment [official state religion] until 1817; Connecticut kept its establishment until 1818; and Massachusetts did not abandon its state support for Congregationalism until 1833 (Kidd 1999: 1021)."

On the other hand, atheists whine and sue like seeing a cross in public is somehow doing them harm.

Huh. I haven't heard the story of Christians in America running to the government to get an atheistic billboard taken down. Do you have an example?

Objecting and using government force to remove it are not the same thing, sweetcheeks.

Seriously, accusations of bigotry and shitty moral equivalencies. If you didn't have those, you leftists would have nothing at all.