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2 ups, 4y,
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"In the name of Atheism"

Atheism is the lack of belief in deities, it's not an organized belief system that people do things in the name of.
0 ups, 4y,
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People have done atrocities to promote atheism, that's what I mean by in the name of. Soviet Russia even had an avowed goal of purging religion and replacing it with atheism. Two examples are the French Revolution and over 100,000 of the killings during Soviet Russia's Great Purge.
2 ups, 4y,
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Atheism wasn't the priority in either of your examples.

Deaths in the name of religion are countless.
0 ups, 4y,
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Got any evidence for that claim about deaths in the name of religion?

It was a priority, never said the only priority, for the Great Purge and the French Revolution. To take a few examples, the religious deaths from the Great Purge alone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge exceed that of The Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, 9/11, the Bali Bombings and the Sri Lanka Easter Bombings put together.

* The Spanish Inquisition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Death_tolls_and_sentenced
* The Salem Witch Trials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
* The September 11 attacks
* The Bali Bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
* The Sri Lanka Easter Bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Sri_Lanka_Easter_bombings
3 ups, 4y,
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Alexander the Great is estimated to have executed a million people, same with Genghis Khan.

11th century Crusades killed half a million Jews and Muslims. The Aztecs once slaughtered 100,000 prisoners over four days.
An unknown number, probably in the millions, died in the Devil's Wind action in Colonial India.
Up to four million Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims died in post-Colonial India.
Pol Pot was raised as a Buddhist monk; he murdered 1,5 million people.

The Ottoman Empire massacred two million Armenians over the years. A hundred thousand people died in Franco's Civil war.
A million people have died in Rwanda, half a million people in Darfur. The Aztecs once slaughtered 100,000 prisoners over four days. Violence between Christians and Muslims has obviously dominated our headlines for a decade, totalling somewhere in seven figures.
43,000 Rohingya are missing presumed dead after being forced to flee their homes.

There is speculation that Hitler may have been a Christian, his own writing suggests a that he sympathized with Muslims. He also used religious imagery.

I'm sure there are examples I haven't thought of.
0 ups, 3y,
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You were asked to "Got any evidence for that claim about deaths in the name of religion?" You site a Cambodian atheist.
1 up, 3y
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You're trawling through posts from 4 months ago?

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0 ups, 4y
Your first two examples just proved my point; Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan didn't kill people in the name of their religions. And your claims are poorly researched; provide proof of your claims unless you're just arguing for the sake of arguing (or, as people like you would say, should I take your words on faith?). For example;

* Genghis Khan killed far more than one million people https://www.scifacts.net/human/genghis-khan-death-toll/ ... yet he was quite religiously tolerant despite his own Tengrist faith. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan#Religion

* Pol Pot didn't commit those murders until he turned from Buddhism and embraced irreligious atheism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge#Relationship_to_religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#Personal_life_and_characteristics

* For the last TWO decades, it's actually been violence by MUSLIMS against NON-MUSLIMS that's been dominating headlines, not Christians vs Muslims.

* Hitler's religious views were all over the place. "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion [Islam] too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" (actual Hitler quote). Mussolini also used religious imagery; see below for his views on the subject.

* Stalin and Mussolini were avowed atheists to take two examples.
https://hollowverse.com/joseph-stalin/
https://hollowverse.com/benito-mussolini/#:~:text=Mussolini%20was%20an%20atheist%20who%20wisely%20worked%20with,the%20Catholic%20Church%20for%20his%20own%20political%20gain.

* The Crusades lasted 196 years, had a higher death toll, and include violence FROM Muslims against CHRISTIANS; it was violence against Christians which provoked the Crusades in the first place, starting with the Byzantine/Seljuk wars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Seljuq_wars
0 ups, 11mo
What are you babbling about?
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0 ups, 4y,
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0 ups, 4y,
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Yes I can.

There have been two non-communist governments who killed people in the name of atheism; the regimes that rose to power during the Mexican Revolution/Cirstero War and the French Revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Non-Communist_states

To elaborate on that premise, the fact that they're socialist or communist doesn't change, cancel our or undermine atheistic atrocities; Stalin had over 100,000 religious people executed during Soviet Russia's "Great Purge".

That's more than fifteen times the amount of people killed by the Spanish Inquisition, and Stalin's regime achieved that death toll in a much shorter timespan (yet some people still think the Spanish Inquisition is still a good argument against the Catholic Church/Christianity/religion as a whole).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=ChRk43tVxTwC&pg=PA165&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
0 ups, 4y,
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Well its a good argument against the catholic church. But they aren't Christian so...
0 ups, 4y,
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Wrong.

The Spanish Inquisition was a combined political religious entity that ultimately answered to the monarchs of Spain, who formed it partially with the intention it'd be under their control rather than the Pope's. In fact, when the infamous Torquemada was in charge of the Spanish Inquisition, the Pope appealed to the King and Queen of Spain to rein him in because of his cruelty. That and at their worst they often violated the teachings of Christianity while (ironically) trying to accomplish their goals.

Ergo, it is not a good argument against the Catholic Church.
0 ups, 4y,
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Interesting, do you have any source for that? I recall that the spanish inquisition was separate from the Catholic one, but I'm fuzzy on the details.
0 ups, 4y,
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I'll double-check for the specific scenario I said in the previous comment, for now I do have evidence for these;

Pope Alexander VI sought to appoint four assistant inquisitors in June 1494 to restrain the Spanish Inquisition in response to widespread complains regarding Torquemada (and his failing health).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_de_Torquemada#Death (see also the book "God's Jury: The Inquisition and the Making of the Modern World" by Cullen Murphy)

The Pope also struggled to maintain control over the Inquisition during Torquemada's tenure leading it from 1478 - 1498 (the year of Torquemada's death). "In 1482 the pope was still trying to maintain control over the Inquisition and to gain acceptance for his own attitude towards the New Christians, which was generally more moderate than that of the Inquisition and the local rulers."
The book series "A History of the Jewish People" by Charles Foster Kent (couldn't find the volume)

Upon further research, I haven't confirmed it was founded to be under the Spanish monarchs control rather than the Pope's, but it is a popular hypothesis for its founding, and it was difficult for the Pope to control it as he had to go through the Spanish monarchs to do so. It also welcomed secular lawyers as well as clergy and oversaw non-religious crimes (even had such a reputation for fairer trials people on trial for secular crimes were known to blaspheme in the court room so the Spanish Inquisition would trial them instead).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#The_%22Keeping_the_Pope_in_Check%22_hypothesis (see also "El Rey Y El Papa: Política Y Diplomacia En Los Albores Del Renacimiento (Castilla En El Siglo XV). Sílex, 2009" by Óscar González)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Non-religious_Crimes (this can be see in the Inquisition's own records, currently kept in archives in Valencia http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/3241610 - these are actual documents from the Spanish Inquisition themselves)
0 ups, 4y
Keep in mind at that time the Catholic Church wasn't Christian. So we are talking about two political organizations that did a lot of bad stuff back then.

Thanks for the info. I'll look into it.
0 ups, 3y,
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Stfu, nobody's ever gonna win this argument, who the hell gives a shit, it literally means nothing to me if more people die to religion or atheism
0 ups, 3y
If it means nothing to you, why bother to comment?
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