Brian Griffin

Nice attempt at deflection at the dems pandering identity politics.

I wonder how the left would have handled a Pence presidency if they actually succeeded with impeaching Trump. Pence would be 10x worse for them.

Would he though? I didn't believe the crying at inauguration that Trump was going to be a dictator and I'm not sure I believe the hype about Pence. I know paranoid freaks like Anti think he'd throw them in some conversation camp and electric shock them.

As an atheist, the idea of a superChristian like Pence becoming President definitely doesn't appeal to me. I prefer to keep religion and politics separate from each other, something I don't think Pence would do very well. However, if the Democrat is any of the current batch except for Tulsi or Yang, I gotta vote Pence. As much as leftists claim he would torture gays into straightness, I just don't see that happening.

Hahaha it always makes me laugh to think Trump was the first pro gay marriage president upon inauguration. I don't know evangelist Christians very well but I'd think Pence would show some restraint, tho I agree with banning trannies from the military. I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with someone who's group attempts suicide at a rate over 40 % than again I think it's crazy that women are in the military in combat roles. Why would you throw women into war? Many men have fought and died to keep their women away from war and conquest. I know in the Israeli army, when a woman gets wounded, you'll have multiple soldiers trying to attend to her, which is great but affects combat effectiveness. Not to mention the sexual harassment or rape that often occurs.

Anyway, sorry for the ramblings.

Because pro gay marriage Trump Exec Ordering trans out of the Military his 1st or 2nd week is so proof pudding.

Why are you conflating trans people with gay people?

Have you asked Toby the same thing? If not, why not? He makes memes *saying* they are the same thing.

I'd say Walk/Quakes/Duck, but translated into Spanish with this particular issue, some might take it as a slur,,,

Well you should be. Pence is the person who would take over as President if something were to happen to Trump after all. I don't think he would be too bad as President for me personally, but religion is one of, if not the biggest influence on a person and I doubt he would keep religion and politics separate, especially given his track record as Governor of Indiana.

The Religious Freedom Restoration act. It was passed though the Indiana legislative branches and signed into law by Pence. The gist of it was that government can't infringe on a person's ability to practice their religion, unless there's a compelling reason for the government to get involved. However, it also gave businesses the ability to refuse services to LGBT people due to religious beliefs.

Yeah I don't care what religion the bill supports, I oppose the RFRA

Klobuchar is cool tho.

Plus unlike Trump, Pence is more tethered to reality. By a lot.

I got no real complaints about Klobuchar. But I'm gonna have to disagree with you about Trump. Based on what I've seen, Trump is really paying attention to what's going on and acting accordingly. Not to say Trump hasn't had blunders. He did nearly get us into war with Iran by drone striking Soleimani, and the covid response definitely was bungled. I would say to keep in mind he did restrict travel from China and Europe at first to slow the spread. Also, Trump's trying to get us out of Afghanistan, which is about damn time if you ask me. I think if Trump were to bring on people like Tulsi Gabbard or Andrew Yang as part of his administration as well as pardon non-violent drug offenders and do what he can to legalize weed federally, he would win in a landslide.

He's paying TOO much attention, at least to how it pertains to himself. He's made this all about ego. Sheesh, he makes Bill Clinton look humble and down the earth. He's way too reactive in a ''yap now, get scolded by others later'' way.

Basically giving Afghanistan over to the Taliban is not why we've wasted all that time and lives there for, though I do wish we got out. Place was known to be unmanagable to Alexander the Great, and was always a problem with Iran, which it broke away from in the late 1700s. Getting it under control ain't happening.

Yang was cool but his main thing was UVB, and that's just not doable, nor should be. Not sure why weed should be legal, they just announced findings this week how it can lead to a certain heart condition, the there's that lowering of the IQ thing.
He's gonna win anyways, because the DNC just never learns.

Yeah he definitely needs to get his ego in check. Take the covfefe thing awhile back. It's pretty obvious he just made a spelling mistake, but he had to make it worse for himself by lying about it and saying it was some major ploy. I'm not saying he lies about every single thing like some in the PoliticsTOO crowd would suggest, but he has lied about dumb trivial stuff that bruises his ego that I just roll my eyes at.

The way I see Afghanistan, it made sense to get in there only to hunt down Osama Bin Laden. As soon as we killed Bin Laden, we should have pulled out immediately. We've seen how well invading Afghanistan goes when the USSR did their invasion in the 80's. One thing I hear from the warhawks is that if the US pulls out from Afghanistan, Russia or China will pull in. I say if they're foolish enough to go in, let them. Putin and Xi Jinping have had the same opportunity we have to see how well both the 80's USSR invasion and the current US occupation have gone. Putin was in the KGB during the USSR invasion, I imagine he would have known details about it that you or I wouldn't have had access to, not to mention he's floated between President and Prime Minister of Russia since 1999. Xi would also have had some knowledge about the invasions of Afghanistan and how much trouble it actually is. I don't think Putin would be foolhardy enough to commit fully to an invasion; however, I think Xi would think it's worth the risk due to China wanting to recreate the Silk Road. Now that I think about it, that's probably one of the reasons why we're still in Afghanistan, to block Chinese expansion. I still think we should pull out though.

UBI doesn't seem doable right now, I agree. However, as automation continues to take more and more jobs, I think the conversation surrounding UBI should be had, even if it's decided it will never be doable. We do need a better way of taking care of people who can't find work through no fault of their own, especially if automation keeps replacing people. As for weed, I don't smoke it myself, but I believe what you want to do with your body is your choice. We know cigarettes are horrible for people, but they are still legal, despite more restrictions being placed on them. Same with alcohol, fast food, and basically anything if taken in excess. That doesn't mean they should be banned however, and you definitely shouldn't go to jail for consuming them, that's just ridiculous in my book. Anyway there's my rambling on that.

There's nothing private about Mike Pence's brand of Christianity and you know that.

I don't know what to tell you - that's literally Mike Pence's thing. Imagine if I said "Bernie Sanders has never called himself socialist - what are you talking about? When has he ever pitched himself as a socialist?"

"Christian beliefs aren't enforced as policy." But they will influence his decisions and advice.

You're missing the point, I didn't say other people's personal beliefs don't influence them. The issue is that his are so hardline Christian, those beliefs are exclusive, not inclusive; that is not good for society.

"Christian beliefs aren't enforced as policy." See, that's exactly the issue - under Mike Pence's governorship, they explicitly were.

Dude, this isn't even a discussion. Mike Pence is an evangelical theocrat - that's the name of the faction he publicly represents and the political style he's practiced his entire career, in the same way that Richard Nixon was the Law And Order politician or Calvin Coolidge was the Businessman politician or John McCain was the Maverick politician. This is surface level stuff. To deny that makes no sense at all - you would have to live on a cave on Mars not to know that about these people.

I don't need luck. He literally goes "Hi, I'm Mike Pence, the super Christian guy that you should vote for if you want the USA to be a Christian state by legislation." Like, he doesn't deny this.

I can imagine him reading The Handmaid's tale and thinking it's a utopia rather than a dystopia...

Well, that sounds like a comprehensive survey.