Fat positive Wonka

Single issue? You must be obese.

You don't know that. Where evidence are you implying you have? Is your attitude towards smokers, drinkers, people who put themselves at risk of sporting injuries etc the same?

Yes, yes I did have a stroke. You sound concerned about me, that's sweet.

Yeah, f**k overweight people and anybody else with any sort of health condition. Another way Canadians treat eachother better than you f**ks.

I like fhucking chunky womens,,,

Nothin wrong with a little cushion in the pushin'.

Unless you ain't gettin any lately *wipes tear and stares at nearly empty whisky bottle*

Right there with ya, now pass that bottle over, I can't let you drink it alone.

If only. Quite the drink July 12, 1996.

I miss that whisky burn,,,

Quit*

You don't drink?

Um?

Oh. figuratively, right.

The best kind of quits there is.

And now I have The Doors stuck in my head...

That's in one of their songs? Figures,,,

"Ahh, close then,,,"

It's called The Alabama song and it is very catchy..

That's the title of that song?

"Oh, show me the way to the next whiskey bar
Oh, don't ask why, no, don't ask why
For we must find the next whiskey bar

Or if we don't find the next whiskey bar
I tell you we must die, I tell you we must die
I tell you, I tell you, I tell you we must die..."

Ahh, close then,,,

"Octavia_Melody2 ups, 21h, 1 reply
I don't understand what you mean. I don't believe a soul exists. That has nothing to do with my moral compass.
flagVagabondSouffle1 up, 2h
So you don't believe you exist then?"

I don't follow your logic. If a person does not believe that they are a soul, how would believing that a soul does not exist equate to them believing that they do not exist?

To not have a soul - is to not be alive. That's what a soul is, life, living - a living soul.
This ghost that occupies your body and manages to fly away coincidentally when you die silliness is a Greek concept.

Are you then just choosing to name our sense of self 'a soul'?

About the only thing Christians got right about the Bible is that yes, there were places called Jerusalem, Nazareth, and Galillee.

The rest is so distorted it seems like the world's oldest April Fool's joke and on LSD.
I have told the soul thing to OM and others many a time over the years, but what's the fun in simply stating fact when we can have meandering fake arguments with people who like to engage in meandering fake arguments.

It obviously distorts one's perspective that some of the genuine beliefs of people on here sound like April fool's jokes passed down through the generations after originating in an ancient ancestor who was under the influence of LSD.

So I did initially think you were just playing but then the environment made me doubt.

ps. "Read verse in New International Version."

I read that as 'New Irrational Version' and was like "more irrational, how??"

Figures that the two most referred to books in history - the Bible and the Dictionary - just so happen to be the least read, particularly by those who constantly refer to them.

I've hardly read either myself, but this pretty basic.

Oh yes, super woke Canada. So super woke, size and weight don't count in obesity.

My meaning is we have empathy and don't shit on someone for their lifestyle and our healthcare is free for everyone no matter pre existing or not. We also have a lower obesity rate. Obesity can also be tied to the more poor population, good food is expensive, fast food and garbage processed is cheaper. I don't buy frozen or processed food. I see some peoples shopping carts and their portly children, but I also see the difference in costs

Fast food in America is cheap, tasty and plentiful. A bad combination.

I personally believe parents with morbidly obese children should be charged with child abuse.

Of course, if the Canadian health system had to deal with the number of unhealthy obese Americans, the system would crash.

It all boils down to poverty really, the obesity rates were much much lower in the 70's n '80's when the living wage was actually a living wage and you can still have one parent working. Video games and pcs dont help either.

I knew things were screwed when vehicles were designed to hold super sized soft drink containers.

Not so 'mini' vans

It's amazing to look at fast food ads from the 70's. The portions, especially the drinks were amazingly small.

It's a case where gain was loss.

I sure do like a whopper or big mac on a hangover day tho.

"It has everything to do with the rise of cheap, processed garbage in the 50s. You never saw people in the past morbidly obese unless they were rich. Why? Because rich food was expensive food. But now I don't have to spend 3-4 hours every single day making proper food for my family, and can just open a can? Or better, just drive-thru McDonald's? Yay!!"

I agree that this is a significant factor, most people don't have the time to cook anymore because they have to work so many hours to make enough money. Most people are unlikely to have the energy to spend hours cooking after they've spent a day at work.

"But here's another dirty little secret: pound for pound, fast food is MORE expensive than good, quality, organic food. It just takes time to make it."

Not only is healthy food often more work and unless you know what you're doing, less filling. It requires either knowledge or the confidence to learn what to do.

If you want to help people, shaming them is not an effective way to go about it.

"It's not "empathetic" to encourage people to shovel food into their faces. Your healthcare is NOT "free." What the hell?"

You realize that you are the only person in this conversation who's mentioned 'free' healthcare?..

Weight gain is a common side effect of many drugs. The most common drugs that can cause weight gain are steroids, antipsychotic drugs, and insulin, among others.

Irresponsible bastards taking their prescription medication, what are they playing at, eh? Don't they know they are personally offending you?

Pfft, some people just can't prioritize.

"Dobby. Your arguments are terrible and irrational. First, prescription medication is being massively overprescribed as a panacea by doctors who have been seduced by Big Pharma (which is a real thing) into keeping people drugged, rather than actually cured.

Now...I shouldn't NEED to qualify that, but you dumb Leftists force me to: that doesn't mean all drugs are bad, m'kay?

It means there's an epidemic of overprescription because it makes Merck, Bayer, Pfizer, etc big $$$. Rather than HEAL people, they just want to keep them drugged up forever."

Obviously that has no relevance in lots of other countries.

What do you propose then? Universal healthcare?

You have made it clear that your fat-shaming is because fat people push up insurance, universal healthcare would fix that too.

"Now...I shouldn't NEED to qualify that, but you dumb Leftists force me to: that doesn't mean all drugs are bad, m'kay?"

I'm a Liberal, of course I don't think all drugs are bad. ;)

Dobbsy, how can I provide proof of a hypothetical?

You really do sealion.

Yet I'm trying to give you some credit. Are you strong enough to stand against a screeching mob?

I didn't ask for proof, I asked for an example.
Absolutely, my own beliefs and morals take precedence.

Yes, that's easy to say when you control those methods of speech. Yet I wonder your view if the tables were turned.

My garden? You're comparing my garden to monopolies? Wtf?

Good job discrediting the argument I made for you...

You want me to provide examples of cancel culturing leftists????

Don't waste my time, Dobbsy. We ain't in Kansas anymore. You ain't dumb.

Refusing to give someone a platform in a specific situation is not anti-free speech, it's the consequences of that person's historical free speech.
People can say what they like, other people don't have to listen.
People that are cancelled are free to go air their opinions elsewhere.

If someone wants to come and shout about their liberal views in your garden, would you let them because you support free speech?

"You're not a Liberal; you're a Leftist.

That aside, I AM a Classical (Jeffersonian) Liberal, and not a Leftist, and I don't think all drugs are bad, either..."

I could just as easily claim that you are not a Liberal; you are a Leftist.

Ah, Jefferson; the pedophile.

You have claimed that you think that because you think I want to control people, which is nonsense.

Actually I just remembered that you claimed to believe in free speech, even for those you completely disagree with, so I'll credit you with that.

I do believe in free speech. If I couldn't cope with people exercising it, regardless of how ridiculous, hypocritical or hateful it was, do you think I'd be here?

I see Timber tell people that they are Leftists all the time for no other discernible reason than they disagree with him about something.

The definition of Leftist is not: A person who disagrees with Timber1972

I also think that freedom of belief and the freedom to practice your religion is important.

That does not imply that I believe in the freedom to cause harm to others.

"The definition of a Leftist is someone who wants to control other people. Not "someone who disagrees with Timber1972."

If you don't want to be called a Leftist, don't act like one."
"And that is one of the reasons you are a Leftist: you don't have any problem with lying."
Haha! What??

Go on, describe the ways I want to control people.

"I do believe in free speech. If I couldn't cope with people exercising it, regardless of how ridiculous, hypocritical or hateful it was, do you think I'd be here?"

"I don't believe you. The reason I don't believe you is because you've already shown a penchant for repeating lies, your own or ones that others tell you, like "a Leftist is someone who disagrees with Timber1972." Look at the words you use to describe other people exercising free speech and disagreeing with you: "ridiculous, hypocritical or hateful."

Wow, that's low, even for you.

I did not use the words 'ridiculous, hypocritical and hateful' to describe the speech of people that disagree with me. Try reading what I said again.

"Oh, and look at the word you use to describe your ability to deal with other people's exercise of free speech: "cope"

As if it's a burden to deal with other people saying what they want to say."

No, I was speaking from the pov of others making assumptions about me.

"That does not imply that I believe in the freedom to cause harm to others."

"No one does."

Huh? Are you saying that no one does believe in the freedom to cause harm to others?

You are completely ignoring the point, I quite clearly said that I think that being able to exercise free speech is important even if it is any of the things I mentioned.

"You used the words "ridiculous, hypocritical and hateful" to describe the exercise of free speech on imgflip."

No I didn't, I simply said that some of the speech on Imgflip is.

Well, here's the thing. You claim to be for free speech, which is awesome, though I really wonder when the rubber hits the road and you are surrounded by intolerant leftists, I'd imagine that you'd fold like a cheap suit. Now hopefully I'm wrong but Timber and I aren't ignorant on the subject.

"surrounded by intolerant leftists"

Give me an example?

There's the leftist calling the kettle a black pot.

Wanna elaborate or do you think making very vague accusations and telling someone that you know more about their attitudes than they do, makes you sound really clever?

No offense, but you're obviously a leftist. You may have liberal sensibilities in some areas, hell, you may have a few conservative views, but you are mainly a leftist. Not like you don't post blocks of texts at times. My suggestion is to think about what 'liberal' means and think about how far from that leftists have moved. Don't get touchy now, big guy.

Timber uses 'Leftist' to describe people that want to control others, what do you mean when you use it; I'm not going to assume anything, (unlike most of the people I speak to here).

"Are you fat? You seem to be taking this quite personally.

But no, "universal healthcare" would not "fix that too." Why do you think universal healthcare is free...? "Spread out to a lot of people" doesn't make it "free." It's a form of stealing."

Taking it personally? I'm just discussing it. Are you projecting?

I don't think universal healthcare is free. Why do you think I think universal healthcare is free?

And enabling people to be fat is crippling them, and shortening their lives by 10-20 years on average.

On the bright side, think of the social security checks that will be saved by not having to pay them

Long, happy lives?

Whut? You are against people having sex in a variety of circumstances.
God knows what your idea of fun is!

Hammond organ recitals?

Smeghead (I'm making an exception, just for you.)

Not sure about Hammond organ recitals, but I sure like the sound of a Hammond organ with a Leslie speaker in the blues

Ahaha SEE?

Hahaha! You are absolutely Rimmer. You are always so smug if you think you have successfully annoyed someone you don't like.

"What a genuinely fascinating conversation.

As far as distorted beliefs, Dobby, you think it's perfectly ok to terminate the unborn.

The purposeful destruction of future productive members of society in the name of convenience has a deleterious effect on that society, and you know that at some level."

So you are precious about the unborn and only become hateful after they are born if they become overweight, Left-wing, lgbtq+ or if the have sex outside of marriage?

How do you know they are going to be productive?