Reparations: Democrats were the only slave owners, Northern Democrats were pro-slavery. Democrats should pay 100% of any reparations.

Associating a movement with a political party is borderline marginalization.

Not when the movement has open and blatant ties to that party including fundraising

I’m saying not all people who support that party (or generally vote Democrat) do not support these things you associate with Democarats.

Well then Democratic messaging is horrible because it sure appears you do.

There are things I strongly disagree with between both parties. In the past few years I have generally voted Democrat, but I may not vote either party this year, as I find that nobody is right. Before then I generally voted Republican. I am not committed to either party.

I was not committed to either party as well, but I will vote against Democrats this November. I dropped party affiliations and registered independent because neither group of extremists platforms appeal to me. However the anti America rhetoric and failure to forcefully denounce the violence has removed all respectability from the Democratic Party. I find that the left repels moderates and calls them Trumptards simply because they love America. That’s ok I have found my ideals are reflected more by the republicans and they are actually patriots who love their country. Though I have differing ideas on health and social programs I stand with them against the communists and globalists and their attempts To destroy our country.

(google searches for who is running in other parties)

Lol good luck, no serious contenders. If there was they would already be winning

And Yet you use that history while Republicans today wave Confederate flags. Ironic.

What about sex trafficking? Basically slavery but forcing children to become prostitutes. Slavery is still a very real issue.

Illegal slavery exists but not to the tune of 500,000 in America. That’s just bullshit propaganda. No slavery is legal nor openly permitted in the US.

It may not be legal but it is EXTREMELY real. https://www.a21.org/index.php?site=true

Why aren’t you protesting that?

Because we should all stay inside right now, but awareness is good.

Let’s face it the slavery thing is about ginning up the white guilt SJW and their purveyors to pay up in some way. It’s all about the benjamins. Simple money grab by radical Marxists and communists

If you think 580,000 White men dead makes up for 400 Years of Slave trade that maimed, raped, killed, and kidnapped 20 Million Africans PLUS 100 years of Unfair segregated jim crow laws, then you need a reality check.

So all your information is wrong. Only about 388,000 Africans were imported to North America. Not 20 million. They were kidnapped primarily by other Africans. The fact you think 580,000 dead isn’t enough is indicative of your leftist bloodlust.

Basically everything you said was wrong. And badly so.

Nope, truth. I know that’s frightening to some but accurate and true.

No, they are not.

Nice to see you found someone else to stalk. Mantis did a number on you.

Well I guess the burden is on you to show where they are wrong. Otherwise your just blowing air. I don’t see mantis on this but I know he shares a hatred of Israel with you.

No.
Your false claim that someone else was wromg is yours to prove but you didn't because you can't because you posted an imaginary number.

The person I was responding to didn’t provide citation for his number and your butting in to refute so you provide the number and citation to support your claim.

Your numerical claim, your proof required.

I made no such numerical claim, I'm not here to provide proof of your fanfic.

Well I supported my number and his was a wild exaggeration. How is the US responsible for all the slaves imported to the continent? The Africans didn’t own the ships but they provided the victims. They were involved in the slave trade for over a 1000 years along with the Arabs. Your idea that the US is responsible for all this is ludicrous and a false telling of history typical of a Marxist globalist.

No, he does not.
Not my idea. It's yours.

No he made a numerical
Claim I refuted.

If you refute my claim then you can prove me wrong

“how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage.”

https://www.abhmuseum.org/how-many-africans-were-really-taken-to-the-u-s-during-the-slave-trade/?

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If you think 580,000 White men dead makes up for 400 Years of Slave trade that maimed, raped, killed, and kidnapped 20 Million Africans PLUS 100 years of Unfair segregated jim crow laws, then you need a reality check."

Been there 2 days already, perhaps you should read it.

tbf, the number -which you left off your quote - is more like 12.5 million, 10.7 are those who survived the passage. But that memer did not say just to North America. You also left off the part about additional slaves bought from the Caribbean after arrival there from Africa. Plus the millions of slaves who were in British North America.

Oh, and those ships weren't African.
"Primarily" being that the risk of contracting malaria reducing the average European lifespan going inland to capture slaves to one year meant most would rather leave it to those more able. Europeans thus mostly stuck to what they could capture at the shore, and the Portugese being more of the exception in terms of willing to take the risk.

And no one died in the Civil War to free slaves.

Try 10 million.

Not to North America. That number is about 388,000 educate yourself and try again.

The effect of slavery is NOT gone and it maybe never will

So what is the effect of slavery that is not gone? Are you a slave? Slavery is over and all who lived it are dead. Legal equality has been achieved as well. Prejudice the hardest of all to change still needs work but you can’t fight it with racism.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, EXCEPT AS A PUNISHMENT FOR CRIME WHEREOF THE PARTY SHALL HAVE BEEN DULY CONVICTED, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Slavery still exists in the U.S. prison system.

No, you lack reading comprehension. It says “duly convicted” so not slavery. A convict is not a slave, he’s a convict.

Thaheck you think a chain gang is and why they're a Southie thing that began in the 1890s?

That provision of the 13th Amendment isn't some flowery language or something that got warped and exploited beyond its original purpose, it was a CONCESSION to Southern States to make up for the slack in free labor the end of slavery would bring them.

It allowed for the creation of the Chain Gangs, and incentivized the arrest, convictions, and harsher sentences for 'Black' men in the prison system.

Add to that Peonage, as well as the fine art of simply abducting someone and keeping them for the purposes of forcing them to do labor - a practice which still occurs today, btw - and slavery never ended.

Where are there chain gangs? I haven’t seen any currently or even recently operating. I get it you hate the country and whitey. Revel in your hatred and stay salty.

The disdain you have for life in and attempt to project as if that would exorcise it are your issues, not mine.
I would almost feel sorry for you, but you're so wrapped up in your negativity you can't do without it.

Right no chain gangs. Keep living in the past with your hatred. It’s 2022 and and you can’t get off the historical injustices of humanity which despite your propaganda we’re not limited to white Americans. History is the past quit living in it.

But anyways, that provision of the 13th Amendment isn't some flowery language or something that got warped and exploited beyond its original purpose, it was a CONCESSION to Southern States to make up for the slack in free labor the end of slavery would bring them.

It allowed for the creation of the Chain Gangs, and incentivized the arrest, convictions, and harsher sentences for 'Black' men in the prison system.

Add to that Peonage, as well as the fine art of simply abducting someone and keeping them for the purposes of forcing them to do labor - a practice which still occurs today, btw - and slavery never ended.

There are about 403,000 in the USA today.

Where they at? What state or federal entity promotes that?

A convict is not a Slave. A convict is a convict. Incarceration is not slavery, it’s incarceration. There is no legal slavery nor has there been since 1865.

So if we call it by a different name it isn't slavery. Got it

No it’s not slavery. It’s punishment for individuals found to be deserving of it. Society will always have those who can’t act civilized.

The punishment is slavery.

No slavery is slavery. Punishment for convicted crimes is punishment and incarceration.

https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/

1865? That's, um, really fascinating.

But anyways, that provision of the 13th Amendment isn't some flowery language or something that got warped and exploited beyond its original purpose, it was a CONCESSION to Southern States to make up for the slack in free labor the end of slavery would bring them.

It allowed for the creation of the Chain Gangs, and incentivized the arrest, convictions, and harsher sentences for 'Black' men in the prison system.

Add to that Peonage, as well as the fine art of simply abducting someone and keeping them for the purposes of forcing them to do labor - a practice which still occurs today, btw - and slavery never ended.

There are about 403,000 in the USA today.

Not legally there aren’t any slaves. Does slavery exist? Sure but it isn’t a product or strategy of our state. You should read about China for that.

https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/

1865? That's, um, really fascinating.

But anyways, that provision of the 13th Amendment isn't some flowery language or something that got warped and exploited beyond its original purpose, it was a CONCESSION to Southern States to make up for the slack in free labor the end of slavery would bring them.

It allowed for the creation of the Chain Gangs, and incentivized the arrest, convictions, and harsher sentences for 'Black' men in the prison system.

Add to that Peonage, as well as the fine art of simply abducting someone and keeping them for the purposes of forcing them to do labor - a practice which still occurs today, btw - and slavery never ended.

There are about 403,000 in the USA today.

Where are these 403,000 and how does the state of fed participate? Why don’t you care about real slavery of an entire population in China?

Look up "slavery by another name". The black codes put freed slaves right back on the plantation for petty crimes.

Where is that happening now?

It doesn't happen now, but prison slavery still persists. Prison laborers work for nothing or on average 63 cents an hour. Scholars agree this is still existing slavery.

As I said leftist progressive socialist activists. Their scholarly opinion is corrupted by their blatant bias and activism.

“The reason slavery was done was on the basis of skin color. Literally what is your point?”

That’s not the topic. You said there were still slaves because there are prisons. There aren’t any other race or color prisoners than blacks? They are all their because they are the same skin color? Literally what are you trying to say?

Much prison labor in the U.S. is forced. And they work for nothing. And it's allowed per the 13th Amendment, which has a loophole for slavery/involuntary servitude. Why do you keep f**king denying it? Black people are incarcerated at a higher rate than whites, and in fact, black and brown people together make up a majority of the prison population

But since you're a conservative, you'll sit in constant denial that these systems can still be racist and bitch at schools so your kids won't see reality either.

3,000 black slave owners owned 20,000 slaves. They weren’t all their family. They took part in the slave system because in their time it was an accepted practice and they participated as blacks did in Africa since the beginning of time. The point is slavery is a part of history practiced and participated in by all races including blacks. That whites and some blacks in America participated doesn’t make them any more guilty of slavery than any other race despite your portrayal of it as a conviction of White American evil.

As to criminals a single exception nor do a few cases of injustice refute the overall truth that most murderers are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Blacks commit it more often per capita. Until the true root causes are addressed it will continue. Blaming whitey and “the racist system” that other minorities thrive under is an excuse. That’s because they aren’t held back by the “white man is keeping us down mentality.

Black people are incarcerated at higher rates because they commit more crime per capita. You deny the statistics. Meanwhile reality is 69% of the prison population is ethnically not Hispanic. So no they aren’t the majority and blacks make up 38% of the prison population so not a majority either. They are about 15% of the population but as we know from the official stats they commit 50% of the murders. The facts are pesky but you are Leftist and will continue your untruthful narrative despite the facts. The US prison system, while not perfect, is not slavery.

Black people are 40 percent of the prison population and Hispanics are 19 percent (that’s a majority).

Your excuse is just a racist lie that blacks are more criminal. Ever since their emancipation from legal bondage, black people quickly filled up the prison system (and even before emancipation in the south in the north) precisely because the system was rigged against them in every way. Whites always had to deal with free blacks, a population they considered a problem.

It isn’t much different from today. Black people are more likely to be pulled over, more likely to be arrested for drug crimes despite using drugs at a similar rate to whites, more likely to be handed a harsher sentence, more likely to be wrongfully accused/convicted, more likely to be sentenced to death. Even the architects of the Drug War admitted black people were a target. Stop accusing me of denial, because you can’t grasp the idea that systemic racism persists to this day.

So you’re explanation of the disparity in murder is all the black people were framed? 😂 it’s not their fault? Your utter refusal to consider the problems of democratic urban blight, glorification of gangster culture and breakdown of families are not drivers of black criminality and going with the much easier, “it’s all whitey’s fault” displays unparalleled ignorance. Everything you cite is past history. Catch up to the real world.

I don’t think you read what I wrote. Black people are given worse sentences than whites, the courts are biased against them, as are the police.

Again, you’re just buying into harmful stereotypes and lies. Most black kids live with their fathers. If there is a factor in producing black crime, it’s poverty. Black and white wealth gaps remain unchanged since the 1960s. Did you know ‘black’ names are less likely to get a response for a job interview? Much of the black economic situation is by design. They are afforded less opportunities, given that mostly black schools receive far less funding than mostly white schools.

I am not going to admit black people are over represented in the criminal system because of their skin color or their culture. You should be ashamed and embarrassed for suggesting such a thing.

Bwahahaha what’s a Black name? I have a last name that many blacks have as well I haven’t found any discrimination just by my name without having seen me. Sometimes you get called sometimes you don’t. For you everything is an insidious plot, but it’s not. Man up take responsibility and address the issues.

You don’t have to admit that blacks are overrepresented in the prison population, the facts prove it. The root cause is the question. You say it’s all whitey’s fault. That denies responsibility and will never solve the issues. How are so many black people successful if whitey is keeping them down?

There were free black people during the days of slavery who were successful business owners, authors and newspaper editors. Does that mean black people weren't kept down at all? Of course not.

I also didn't say white people alone are keeping black people down. Maybe you don't understand the concept of structural or institutional racism. There's a reason why police of color shoot black men at the same rate as white cops. It's built into the institutions. This is how racism mostly manifests today.

You act as though changing government policy on crime hasn't fueled mass incarceration in the United States, that it's simply an individual's fault that they have come within the criminal system's crosshairs. It's just bullshit. Over the last 40 years, the prison population has exploded by 500%. That's hardly the fault of individuals. That's government officials and policy completely.

There were thousands of black slave owners as well. So aren’t they part of the “history of slavery”?

That police “of Color” shoot criminals at the same rate as white police is proof it’s not about race it’s about criminality. Murder is murder. The majority who go to prison for it are not “framed” or convicted because of racism. Most are guilty beyond any doubt. The progressive policies on crime are a disaster with criminals running amok in many cities. Your theories have been debunked as nonsense in the real world.

According to a 1924 book by Carter G. Woodson, most slave-owning blacks did so to preserve family ties. Besides, what is your point? Does the existence of black slaveowners make the institution justified? Does that negate the majority slave-owning population that were white, or the many ways in which black people were endangered and kept unequal all across the country?

These aren't theories, it's part of a long well-documented history. For example, when it comes to police shootings, black people make up a much larger portion of those killed who were unarmed than those who were shot and armed.

Anyone tell you the story of Walter McMillan, who was convicted in the late 80s and wasn't released until the early 1990s (the sheriff who arrested him held onto his position until very recently, too)? Or how many black men get exonerated from death row to this day?

Progressive policies, such as anti-poverty programs, housing, education and so on are all linked to decreases in crime.

What scholars? Leftist Socialist scholars? It’s punishment doled out for a reason. If it is slavery then they sold themselves into it.

The reason slavery was done was on the basis of skin color. Literally what is your point?

Numerous legal scholars and historians, like Michelle Alexander, Andrea Armstrong and Khalil Gibran Muhammad. The documentary "13th" talks extensively about this very subject.