Should imgflip mods be neutral as well as being respectful of the TOS?

I think it's fair that MODs always be neutral if that is their only purpose, but it's unreasonable to expect them to only moderate and not participate. When concerning something that is purely mod duty then it should be neutral and treated fairly. MODs, especially stream MODs, are most times doing it as a secondary function to what they normally do on the site which is create content and interact in the comments section and I think it would be impossible to expect someone to stop being opinionated just because the are a MOD. So, I guess it's a little more subjective than what I saw in your question at first glance. If you have a specific complaint on any of the streams I moderate, let me know and I will get with you privately to discuss. I think I've shown you that I can be fair, and even if it's me I can take the criticism! :)

i agree with all of that. i don't feel that mods need to be neutral. i do feel they have the same responsibility as users to respect the TOS. this was the stream where i had a little problem this morning. we probably should discuss briefly.

Is this about Kate or did you have a run in with someone else?

no Kate and I are good, i think. but had an emotional disagreement with another TT mod this morning

I think All Moderators should have their names posted on each meme they've approved and disapproved to keep things transparent so everyone can see if a Mod Is abusing Their power.

Let me tell you from my 20 years of experience on the internet..... NO! DON'T!
Transparency is normally a good thing, but some things can put better behind closed doors. A good community logs stuff anyway and admins (and quite often fellow moderators) can easily see these logs and take proper action.

I've seen entire communities turn against one moderator, who was right all along by the way, and I've even seen one community die due to a situation like that.

If a moderator is really in error (moderators are humans, after all), the administration should when things are properly logged find out who that was anyway. Too much visibility will undermine a moderator's authority, and the entire functioning of the community in the process. Actions against such a moderator, even just a notice, or a warning or even dismissing a moderator should then happen backstage. If a moderator wants to reveal themselves, then that's their choice, and in some situations they should. On some big sites I moderated I've done on countless occasions, and a good moderators does not back out from that if such situations arise. In the general sense no, and for that reason I will also never reveal the name of a moderator who took a certain action, when you complain about my fellow moderators.

Most sites keep that information secret of good reasons.

Thanks For Explaining That JeroenBroks You've Made Some Good Points And I Get It, Just Being on the other side it can seem like nothing gets done,
But that's Not The Moderators Problem, It's mine.

I've been a normal user, a moderator and an admin for several communities, so I've seen all sides of this spectrum, I guess... I do know that for a user it seems that mods have their way sometimes, but on a well organized platform, they haven't. ImgFlip has moderation logs, and on all streams I wear the MOD badge on I can see what other moderators are doing. On the sites I've administrated I've always kept a close eye on my moderators to make sure they wouldn't abuse their powers. But I guess it's obvious why most of the talk went on behind closed doors. I hate that... trust me... I do value transparency... But sometimes transparency can do more harm than good...
Of course, the reason why I'd never speak out in public about what my fellow moderators do is roughly the same why I wouldn't make bans I do on sites I moderate public (unless I really have to, as some things just cannot go unnoticed and then you can better come up with the true story right away).

It's Cool I'm not trying to cause trouble And putting mods in that position would probably do more Harm than Good

I Really Appreciate it JeroenBroks

I know you aren't.... And it's just cool to know some people are willing to hear the moderator's version on things... It's a function rarely taken seriously, and unlike what people think, not really a fun job. Nearly all places where I wore the mod badge have caused situations where being a moderator is really really terrible. Can you believe that? 😉

Yes,yes I can,I personally never really want to be a mod I wouldn't wanna have to deal with the likes of Me ;-)

LOL.... I wouldn't want to meet a person like myself either 😁

Other mods can see all that.

Thanks Sydney ;-)

No prob, bud.

Here we see another mod violating the TOS. Will they face sanctions? Let's watch.

Saying “she’s a huge w**re” isn’t against TOS unless it’s about another user.

It's a Norm McDonald joke for Dr's benefit. Kinda his catch phrase. I know he's male.

it seems to be plainly directed against me. Syd and a few of his pals think that i'm a female and have more than once addressed similar comments at me.

Do you have links to any of these?

if they haven't been deleted, yes. i'll look some up this evening.

I spent an hour going back four months and saw that he'd started to delete his comments. I can't sift through them faster than he can delete them. If you don't have some way of tracking that, then his comment above is the only basis of violation I can show now.

I don't pay much attention to him anymore. If I wanted him sanctioned or defrocked, I'd have said something earlier. The sad thing about this instance is that he's done it blatantly and now defiantly on a thread that discusses the exact problem.

Gee, kinda looks like someone deleted their meme and my comments on it. If you think I'm scrambling back months to delete my comments, for some vague reason, I don't know what to tell you.

If you have an issue with my modding, state it. I've never unfeatured a meme of yours or a comment. My comment to Dr Strangmeme was an injoke to another Norm fan. Not my fault you're paranoid. Unless you have some case against me, I'd appreciate if you stop libeling me without reason.

Anyone could have deleted those comments, or the user deleted the meme it was on. If you have a beef with the Think Tank and its mods then why go searching in memes from other streams months back? What Sydney says in politics he keeps in politics. He's always been respectful in this stream which is the stream in question. So I trust him when he says the comment was not directed at you. Doesn't seem that anyone else thought it was directed at you either.

Sydney doesn't delete comments, and I didn't take his comment here as targeting you. It was directed at Dr. Strangememe and this was explained below, taken from a show that they're both familiar with and like. Sydney was one of the very first people to become mod of this stream and he has never insulted anyone in this or any of my streams and has been respectful of others even in heated discussions. If he wasn't I woulda removed him as MOD. Please file further complaints about MODS or how streams are run in the imgflip stream where global and community mods can address your concerns.

Syd is your friend and it's commendable that you're loyal to him. his comment was directed at Strangmeme, but who is the "she" that he's referring to? your interpretation is generous. Syd is generally reasonable but he can be vicious without provocation, as he was with his Norm Macdonald comment. i wouldn't have mentioned him at all if not for that comment.

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That's what the FBI will be telling you when you get caught for being a child molester!

Comment on one of MY MEMES.

Violation and abuse of TERMS

I'm gonna be leaving the site but I thought you would like to see what ship shap doing after ending the comments to him.

https://imgflip.com/i/3dxtu5?nerp=1595615684#com5271101

IAm going on elsewhere in 24 hours after which this profile account will no longer be available.

Via con dios

Finally, thank god that hes gone, no more fights now

Name the TOS i violated. Go for it.

I like transparency too, but confidentiality is needed to safeguard rights and foster self-respect. For the protection of users, it's on all of us to be aware of whether mods are being respectful and performing their jobs fairly. When we see mods who don't respect or understand the rights of users, we all need to speak up.

Thanks Heavencanwait

JeroenBroks explained it and I totally agree it would bring more Harm than Good

It depends, are they involved as a MOD or fellow imgflipper? They can get involved I think, but they shouldn't use their MOD status to inflict their will in their own personal issues.

I'm referring to non-mod involvement by mods during spirited discussion.

I suppose that's alright, as long as they don't get too carried away that they wield their MOD powers

I've seen a few mods harrass and abuse non-mods. They shouldn't be mods.

i'd wish for it to be handled case by case. some people get caught up in arguing and go a step or two too far, and that could be dealt with by guidance. a few other people, if they aren't ready for responsibility, will see things get sorted out.

Agreed, I think i'll post something in Politics Too asking why conservative memes are never featured and why they threaten to delete any comments not liberal enough for their taste. If there's a standard for this stream it should be the standard for all right?

yes. that's how standards work. i don't run politicstoo, so i don't know how many conservative memes they get or feature. they have a right to delete overly offensive comments and that's part of the job, as you know. if you think they're not being fair, why don't you start a conversation about it in that stream, as i did here? you'd run the risk of being told not to do so, as you did with me above, but if we don't have the discussions, things will not improve.

If I may suggest, why not begin a discussion on this in the Everyone's A Mod stream? If it's that important to you and you have a concern then all MODS should hear it right?

Well that is true

yes, but i also think that they should respectfully give their two cents

agreed

that's usually what i do, i put my opinion and acnowledge the other person's point

That's a great common sense approach. Win you respect and a good reputation it will, Mm.

i just try to be respectful when i can. it's nothing special.