Be good sheep, now...

Universal healthcare would cause the greatest spur in economic growth in American history.

The very next day, half the populous would quit their jobs and start their own businesses. Much of the population stays at jobs that limit their personal freedom, just for the healthcare.

First, you're real mistake... Which shows your limited knowledge of liberal policy and agenda, or college brainwashing... "Universal healthcare would cause the greatest spur in economic growth in American history." Here's the fact, OBAMACARE was/is "Universal Healthcare." The term universal healthcare only insinuates that everyone has the same coverage. We have that now. OBAMACARE dictates who is covered, what is covered, and what we get on an insurance policy.

To date, there has been no huge "spur" in economic growth, except when Trump cut back restrictions on businesses and started leveling the field with the much lower cost of doing business overseas (another project of Obama/Biden/Clinton).

Your statement is so utterly ridiculous, and dumbfounding.

What you meant to say was a single payer system, where the government pays for your insurance. There is no proof in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD that this would be the case. See China, Russia, Brazil, and Cuba as reference. Socialist and Communist insurance programs don't accomplish anything for the people. They flee from those countries to come to America for what we have now and over the past 40 years. Why? Because it is better, safer, and patient centered. Unlike their system that limits coverage, let's people die, because it's cheaper, and never gets treated due to long lines, lists, and medical field shortages.

Might as well wake up and realize that your very statement, proves that Tocqueville was entirely accurate. That statement (from a then liberal) will hold up and has held up for around 150 years. It is proven true, every time that a socialist regime pops up and says, "We can do it better." That hasn't happened, yet, in the history of the world.

We've been having the biggest and longest sustained spur of economic growth since the end of WWII for over a decade now. In fact, that rate of growth has actually been slowing somewhat since Trump took over and, um, took credit for it all.

US business have been SUBSIDIZED by tax cuts and other incentives to move operations overseas, moves to curtail this economic killer have been squashed by Republicans in Congress who created them because, you know, Socialism doesn't always seem that bad when Americans pay to have factories built in ChinUH for American companies, Trump Inc included.

It also doesn't seem that bad when it pays for your roadways, police, fire depts, garbage pickup, water, electricity, oil, food, etc, etc. Oil is sold for half its worth here, and food is likewise kept cheaper so we can complain about being fat.

As for healtchcare, yes, universal care would be an expensive inefficient blunder, but it's not just those abroad who might come here on occasion for better treatment. Want quality care, you come to NY or CA. Basic care is sorely lacking in rural areas, and not many of them folks have the means to get to where they can get it. Incidentally, one plus of the ACA was to make attempts to get it out to them. That, of course, has also been curtailed under this Administration.

Bottom line is of you don't like Socialism then you can always try and unplug from it - from sidewalks to your nearest Walmart and the car and gas and highway you use to get there.

With close to 28 million people uninsured, in no logical metric do we currently have universal healthcare.

Long diatribe for a simple, "universal healthcare vs single payer" argument of your own making.

What a waste of time for you.

I honestly stopped reading at "Obamacare was universal healthcare" - that's the dumbest thing you could possibly have said.

Either you don't know what Obamacare is or you don't know what universal healthcare is or both, but long story short, Obamacare was at best health insurance reform, not even close to the municipalization of health services that we desperately need.

You are deluded, socialized medicine in a nation of 300 plus million leads to triage, decisions not to commit resources to the terminally ill or aged to save the money. They will budget a certain number of procedures and once they hit that quota sorry No surgery till new budget next year. You think it’s a panacea it’s not.

Over 22% of all worldwide COVID deaths happened in the US. We're also the only industrialized nation not to have universal medical access.

If you think these two things are not directly related, you are kidding yourself

You are high on drugs. Who doesn’t have medical access? Not in my state, everybody can get healthcare if needed. What about Obamacare? You don’t have that where you live

Nothing like a bunch of whiners that's never worked a day in their life telling you that it's great to be taxed 70%+ to take care of illegal aliens, lazy people, and cons. What a bunch of idiots.

P J O'Rourke, actually