Doctor Strangelove says...

That doesn't mean you should vote for Trump or Third Party and throw away your vote in protest or apathy, tho. ;)

I cannot say whether or not Obama is Racist. It is entirely possible he said something racist once, or more than likely, supported racist policies.

Trump, on the other hand, is guilty of both saying racist things and continued racist policies, if not exacerbating thing.

Americans for America, nonesense.

As far as I'm concerned, crossing a border doesn't make you a criminal. Seeking shelter from a destabilized government doesn't make you a criminal. Failing to understand bureaucracy doesn't make you a criminal.

If Trump's stance on the situation at the border was to release refugees, allow them asylum, and said specifically... "Crossing that border doesn't make you an illegal immigrant"

I could get behind that. Instead, he said "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people," then upgraded crossing the border at a non-entry point from a misdemeanor for non-citizens to a felony. Expanding Obama's policy that applied only felonies or more serious crimes being responsible for their deportations or detainment. As a result, that meant putting in cages some of those "good people."

His polices have resulted in sending DACA citizens. Yes, citizens. Because when you join the military and serve this country, you are a citizen. There are those among them who served our country who were deported to a country they don't even remember. Veterans who served our country and don't even speak the language of their home country. Where they are hunted and killed as traitors.

That failure is why I cannot vote for Donald Trump. And he is unlikely to fix that before November. Perhaps if Republicans had tightened their leash on Donald Trump I might've changed my mind. But the man holding the leash is the equally repulsive Mitch McConnell. And just like Trump, he only cares about power.

His polices do nothing for the majority of the American people and he only antagonizes those who he does not consider his base. Openly antagonizing those who the coastal cities and "inner" cities have elected as their representatives that are predominantly non-white.

Do they antagonize him? Certainly. But if he is suppose to be better, should he not be above these petty insults and stay focused on bringing this country together? Yes, I think so.

So, no thank you.

I don't think you or I have anything to do with the conversation.

Show me where I said national sovereignty and border control aren't important.

People crossing the border seeking refuge or avoiding points of entry due to ignorance, fear, or any other means are not enough to lock them up or deport them. If they are carrying contraband, if they are carrying weapons, if they are really trafficking, then yes lock them up. But they should have the same rights as Americans when being searched and detained by law enforcement. In fact, even our constitution extends due process to non-citizens. So, many at the border are detained illegally.

You can call me a racist all you like, but it just seems more racist to me to lock up people simply because they were not born here. At least the Romans understood the importance of assimilation. And for about 100 years, so did America. Until we expanded on non-landowners and other races other than white that were allowed to vote. That's when immigration suddenly began to get a little... tricky. Odd that, isn't it?

"And the "racist" nation of the US STILL has people lining up to come here...because it's such a racist hellhole, right..?"

You have a very negative opinion about our country, it seems.

On National Sovereignty...

You mean to tell me that if someone crosses the border, for no other reason, that they should not be allowed into the US and detained? Because that is where we disagree.

I also said in clarification...

"If they are carrying contraband, if they are carrying weapons, if they are really trafficking, then yes lock them up. But they should have the same rights as Americans when being searched and detained by law enforcement. In fact, even our constitution extends due process to non-citizens."

Which I believe clears that up.

As for being detained illegally, yes. It is true. There are refugees at the border and as we are still holding them for no other reason other than entry, then they are being held illegally. Even if the current US policy has changed, it has changed for the worse. It's inhumane and, just to sweeten the pot though it doesn't matter to me personally, it is a waste of tax payer money. Reagan understood the economic benefits of admitting immigrants into this country, and cutting as much of the red tape as possible to let them in so long as they abide by our laws. By reversing that policy in the name of national sovereignty it implies we have no control over them once they're in the country.

Which given the current state of affairs with our very own citizens, that appears to be very true.

National Sovereignty is not protecting our borders from refugees but those who would willfully come here to commit crime and jeopardize the security of it's citizens. People crossing the border illegally are not doing that.

People carrying contraband are. Stop them. Not every single person who steps out of line.

I'm actually for increasing security at the border. Not a border wall, but definitely making sure that those who are crossing the border are committing no other crimes. I'm not a fan of detaining them simply for no other reason that they are not US Citizens.

And I suppose you're going to ignore the historical efforts to suppress the votes of non-whites in that brief history of voting. Very clever.

And yes, I perfectly understood why land-owners were catered to above those who did not own land. It makes perfect sense, but that doesn't make it right.

Hey, I never claimed this was a racist nation. That asinine comment was all yours. Perhaps if you took the discussion seriously, you wouldn't be the victim of such wit.

Because you actually gave what you probably thought was a good and thoughtful reply while still attacking my character and you expected me to... what exactly? Not comment on your petty personal attacks?

Again, perhaps if you did take the conversation seriously instead of constantly looking for a way to one-up people on the internet then perhaps you wouldn't have to white knight for a rather lackluster President.

In addition, I'd like to thank you for at least trying to argue your point in more respectful manner. I'm not saying showed me great respect but a fraction more than I'm use to. I somehow do not think it is from you recognizing me as someone to be respected, nor are you exactly growing as a person. Don't worry, there is still time. Perhaps I simply caught you on a good day. Or perhaps a very boring one. In either case, I'm always happy to engage with you further.

Just saw this.

It's true: Racism won't be solved by electing or removing any one official. It may never be solved. Though I do think Trump gives racism a lot of cover and has taken our country backwards on that issue in many ways. Indeed, a large segment of the country has at this point been indoctrinated to view "racism" not as an actual thing but simply as a political football to be hurled back and forth.

In fact, Timber & I just got in a tussle about this very issue today.

Oddly, we are more alike on this than he probably realizes: Of course, he does his darndest to be obtuse, combative, and not see it that way.

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