we want to win in november why be nasty

I'm so sick of Democrats bringing butter knives to gun fights.

why do we have to fight we are all in this together

the old hippie in me always wants peace

Noble sentiments, but Democrats have to be tough or they will be railroaded over and over again.

ty for replying but i find it hypocritical sometimes
i was just explainging10 mins ago to someone how the other day i saw a young person here struggling in a debate vs a non democrat about state procedure and law
he was wrong and i tried to explain it to him
he proceeded to call me trumptard etc when iw as only trying to help him not look like a fool
besides being wrong on his argument he was also not pc a little hypocritical and prejudice
had he said nothing it would have made himself look better and democrats in whole

I would say that the approach you used in those circumstances was the right approach. However there are interesting studies about how when people are confronted with facts that contradict their beliefs, they just dig in harder. Not sure how to deal with this information myself. it means that other ways of swaying people to your argument are necessary along with presenting the facts though.

yes ty
i even told him to check it for himself and that i was not trying to be mean
he even went off on a tangent about libertarians too as if they had to do with anything about convo

us
the people who lost the last election think about it

The last election had the corporate democrats put up the one person that a vast majority of America did not trust or like. I only voted for her because I was not blind to the shit show a Trump presidency would bring. What are the Corporate dems doing again? Putting up another lackluster candidate because its the safe choice (for corporations)

Now go back through history (start with Nixon, but Reagan will be far enough) and look at how the group you want us to be nice to went from fiscal and family conservatives to a death cult that only offers hate and fear. You do not win back those voters, you have to humiliate them, make them realize how badly they have been duped. They will never publicly admit it (fear), but once it is no longer acceptable to be a raging prick that wants basically warlord system of government (do as I say because I am armed and you are not!) then they will slink off into more socially acceptable groups.

And for the record, I don't hate them. I hate what they stand for. Want to joke around and be nice to each other? I upvote funny nonpolitical memes of the very people I am on the polar opposite side of politics of. I don't take their posting here personally, I am just sadden that they are so f**king predictable in their hypocrisy.

you said -What are the Corporate dems doing again? Putting up another lackluster candidate because its the safe choice (for corporations)

very right and ty for commenting

She won the popular vote.

Yes she did. I said I voted for her despite having to hold my nose to do so because Trump (and the rest of the republican field) being so much worse.

But we could have had Sanders. Someone the we hate Hillary crowd could have voted for. The we hate both candidates crowd overwhelmingly voted for Trump. But corporate dems feared Sanders more because he put people first. You the know whole we the people part...

And unlike the only vote republican types here, I have voted republican more than once. Governor Weld and Governor Baker. I don’t agree with everything they did (do), they are sane leaders that were a better choice than the candidate the establishment put up for the dems.

You said "The last election had the corporate democrats put up the one person that a vast majority of America did not trust or like"
-She won the popular vote which would indicate (statistically) that a majority of poeple (at least) trusted and liked her MORE than Donald Trump. Not sure what data you used for your statement.

"But we could have had Sanders. Someone the we hate Hillary crowd could have voted for."
-Sure. But we didn't so they COULD have voted for Hillary. But many didn't vote at all. I live in a SOLIDLY blue state so I voted for Bernie in the primaries and Johnson in the general. Hillary is/was/will be awful. BUT in this election I am voting for Biden because Trump is a complete shit show. I wanted Bernie (again) but I have to vote for Biden. I'd vote for a brick over Trump. He is the WORST. For multiple reasons...they span topics. Overall the dude is harmful. That's the plain and simple term. HARMFUL.

I registered Dem to vote in the primary for Bernie last election. Prior to that I was independent and had voted for Republicans, Democrats and other parties from local to national elections.

I’m voting for Biden too (voted Sanders in the primary), but only because of Trump. But Biden is another put corporate interests first dem.

I have been following politics most of my 55 years as my father was a reporter when I was born (retired publisher now) and I have met through him many politicians.

What I have witnessed is the death of a government that put its people first as the Republican Party has gone into a death spiral and the Democratic Party has been overrun with former republicans.

I am most sad to watch so many influenced not by actual voting records (the only true mark of a politician) and vote instead because of sound bites.

I'll say it again: Biden’s a moron. But at least he’s not a maniacal narcissistic sociopathic moron.

MANY Trump voters I know said "I had to vote for the lesser of 2 evils" when they voted for Trump over Hillary. Not that I agreed even then, but OK....whatever.

But now the CLEARLY more evil of the 2 is Trump. However they will not see it that way, they will find reasons to vote for Trump again. Maybe we can say Biden has less sexual accusers than Trump so there is a clear indicator Trump is worse. Or.....Biden never bankrupted ANY companies. Or....Biden has had only 2 wives (b/c his first died) unlike Trump.....

nah...they're hopeless. All we need to do is ALL vote for Biden. Plain and simple. If he picks Tulsi as his VP we MAY sway some of the middle right voters that swayed to Trump. The middle 3% or so of voters call every presidential election anyway. if we all vote party line, the middle 3% are the clincher.

do you know who isnt a moron has no molestation charges against her and has a great military record and is also a minority
tulsi gabard she is the best choice imo

You replied to it:

"nah...they're hopeless. All we need to do is ALL vote for Biden. Plain and simple. If he picks Tulsi as his VP we MAY sway some of the middle right voters that swayed to Trump. The middle 3% or so of voters call every presidential election anyway. if we all vote party line, the middle 3% are the clincher."

Did you actually read my comment? If not reread it. SLOWER. Specifically the last paragraph.

i am having trouble following what comment to reply to
this is pretty new to me posting etc

NAH- never gonna attract them They are programmed. There are some middle of the road folks that MAY get swayed to vote left/blue but even then....memes ain't gonna effect their line of thinking one way or the other. They KNOW trump is an idiot they just can't say it out loud.

how is insulting someone who is on the fence helping us?

You’re never gonna sway those idiots. They need to be told they are idiots. Daily. Consistently. And shown why.

with words like that never

There are some finally coming around. At least in my circle of Trump Supporter friends.

That injecting disinfectant turned one MAGA Trump 2020 No Matter What red hat into a "Voting for Biden" in November. One tho, not all six of 'em... Still, Trump didn't have the numbers before.

He is unlikely to have them again another time around.

Still, there is six months left to go. A lot can happen between now and then.

Biden can say some pretty stupid shit too. :(

Biden’s a moron. But at least he’s not a maniacal narcissistic sociopathic moron.

i dont think he is a moron i think he is having some major health issues
if you look for the signs
i hate to say it but look into family history this is sad
i am talking about his son beau

I never thought he was that bright. Nice guy, passionate, smart enough....just not realllll bright. FOR SURE smarter than Trump. Trump is a new level of idiot.

There will be plenty of flies. After all, America is full of shit.