Trump on his understanding of science

For some context, the president asked today if it would be possible to kill the virus by "injecting" disinfectant INTO a person's body!

I saw that, it would be hilarious if he wasn't in a position of power.

His fans are still arguing that he knows his stuff.

Naturally the cultists on this site are arguing fake nooz.

"You just took his quote out of context!" No, no it's definitely in context here.

Maybe injecting disinfectant would work. Maybe his many hypothesi were taken out of context by just saying the diso one. Maybe he is just a brilliant brilliant man. And if not just an average billionaire American President. Just not trying too hard

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute! And is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning?"

"Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light. Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way."

No! This is not an out of context thing. We are responding to his exact words the way he said them. He. Is. Not. Brilliant. He is bullshitting, and he is expecting people to treat him as an unconventional ideas man. And you are indulging him.

Why? It doesn't help you. It doesn't benefit you to have a press briefing on a crisis situation run like an office brainstorm. There's no "maybe he's right" about it - he was surrounded by people that he himself selected ready to say "no, that wouldn't work as a treatment". What does it benefit you to make up excuses for him?

Hi, anti it is JustineW. I was more having a bit of fun with my above comment. I haven't actually known exactly what to make of Trump. I have heard both sides of the story and I think it is convincing that he is a fair bullshitartist, in business that is fairly typical. The to and fro of tactics and strategies between men and sometimes women of course sure sometimes it is women, totally. I'm not condoning it, my recent life experiences have allowed me not to judge such things anymore. I've done my time being a judge😇.

I think the fact that he is a billionaire president does make him brilliant. The things he says to the media and all the supposedly candid moments, how can we know what is scripted and not. As if they don't have hours-days conferences about such things, about how he will present and if he seems to break character or he does break character it all has the same effect it pleases some and displeases others and it's all about if he would have another term as if those things are extensively scripted by the people in true power. Maybe they are not as well. How are we the surface stock to know.

However, just to make clear this doesn't mean I'm not a leftist. I'm not sure what I am. Leftists are cool. Rightists, I'm not sure. I don't mind Trump I think he is really clever and a billionaire president.

If you're not sure that you're a leftist, it's safe to say that you're not one. It's part of human nature to categorize everyone into one of two teams, but there's not much actual left wing in the USA. What the hyperconservatives call "the left" is a broad coalition of moderate capitalists, progressives, centrists, and a faction within them who really are left wing in the sense of wanting to flatten out the meritocracy of society. So, you're good - chances are you're just standing to the left of the Republican, which doesn't mean anything.

I just don't buy it. The top actors in the world wouldn't be able to script that kind of nonsense; it's rambling, it's unfocused, we KNOW he doesn't like to read, we KNOW he doesn't like getting stuck into heavy policy meetings, we KNOW he doesn't pay attention to anything where his own name isn't mentioned for more than seven minutes - it just doesn't fit the evidence. There's no way. He's improvising, from start to finish, and the people who like it are the people who would scrap all the rules of professionalism in their own lives if they could.

Challenge the authority that should say this f**ken voice recognition is driving me crazy

Yes, I must admit he seems quite unfocused. As I said quite undecided on the whole issue; I'm not very well educated in it all.

I never came to an understanding of the left and the right in my studies. Frankly, and this is going to sound weird there were many things I was not allowed to study even though I heard people speak of the left and right. I understand now that because to subscribe to a certain group is to limit yourself. Even though it is so great that people rough it out in a search for the truth even if they don't realise. I sincerely admire America for that and what their forefathers did.

Well, you're onto something - left and right doesn't really mean anything anymore.

During the French Revolution, there was an awkward period of time when the National Assembly had taken control of the government but it had not yet been decided whether the King, who was sort of under house arrest in the palace at Versailles, was still going to be at the head of the country in albeit a limited role, or if France was going to be a Republic - to just do away with the monarchy completely. Extremists advocated for the execution of the King, just to give the decision a finality to it (and of course this was the faction that won that argument in the end).

Because that was, at the time, the most pressing issue to sort out about their country, they decided to organize the seating of the Assembly accordingly. Those who believed that Kings and Queens were a thing of the past, that countries should be ruled by an equality-based representation of all society, sat on the left. Those who believed that it is normal for some degree of inequality, because somebody has to be in charge and in order for society to be best commanded you need one person at the top with ultimate authority - those people were sat to the right. So left and right, in that context, meant do you believe in equality of power, or do you believe in hierarchy of power?

But that was before the industrial revolution. A hundred years of industrial development later, suddenly, people weren't talking about equality of power anymore - they were talking about equality of wealth, and left-right began to take on a new meaning: do you believe that industry should be organized by the labor class who produce the wealth with their work, or do you believe that industry should be organized by the investor class who produce the wealth with their management?

Even that doesn't entirely capture the story, though. When we talk about trangender rights, sexual liberation, religious tolerance - these are not post-industrial issues any more than they are monarchial authoratitive issues. Everything's tied together in the end - we can't have transgender rights without economic justice, racial justice, etc, etc - but these are not direct corollaries of the original arguments that defined the left-right scale.

So, TL;DR - it doesn't really matter. Any spin you have on the concept of left and right is no less valid than anybody else's and maybe even more so because you're at least consistent with yourself.

And homosexuality not being just being about procreation but many other things for many other species including the higher forms such as dolphins and some alien types really like it too.

Yes, excellent explanation, anti. Really helpful. I read about the French Revolution, very bloody. I did all kinds of studies in decadent England and the Industrial and agricultural revolutions. The class Wars, monarchism. It was only just on here about 6 months ago I decided to confront the left and right thing and people were calling me left how to seem to fit there was a girl here calling me left in one of our town centres asking me to a protest when I bought some charity badges off them.

She called me left without asking me whether I was. I saw all the historical knowledge about you know Hitler and the Third Reich and what class they fit into and that was rather interesting some people on here helped me with.

For example I don't mind Trump, I don't have a Shrine to him I didn't really follow his administration but I picked up the key points but I find timber 1972 constant leftist comments derogatory and he likes Trump so you can always be a bit column A in column B about stuff.

I genuinely appreciate your understandings of the historical roots of how society perceives such issues as transgenderism, racial equality, economic justice and justice you know so-called justice, in man-made law. My opinion is that a very fair bulk of the issues say in LGBTQI situations are from the monotheistic religions and their text's misjudgement of the issue. People have been taught for centuries now couple millennia these issues amongst many others coming out of the so-called scriptures by unknown authors.

There are other sources as well sure heterosexual people may be offended by homosexual preference, however, homosexual people can also be offended by heterosexual activity that does not make hetrosexuality wrong. There are so many places in human knowledge to find that these issues have been misjudged.

I hope my previous comment didn't sound condescending. I was distracted by something and I certainly didn't mean it that way. I meant people rough it out for the truth all the time I do it on a daily myself everywhere and so many places we all do it. And I admire the way Americans aggressively argue with each other and challenge, the way the forefathers intended to discourage tyranny.

'Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light. Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way."'

If I didn't know who'd said that, I'd guess it was some kid at a festival tripping absolute balls.

"Duuude, we could bring light INSIDE the body."

The drones are busy with damage control,,,

I had actually just found out about this a few minutes ago, was looking at Sew's comments and...

We live in Idiocracy rebooted with memes standing in for CGI.
Stuff like this is why I'm convinced reality isn't real. Is there anything Trump says that isn't the yammering of someone severely mentally impaired? In the real world, someone talking like him couldn't get a job mopping floors late night at a sewage treatment facility that no one else would work in because it stinks real bad.

Now I'm imagining him as some kind of horrifying mash-up of the Joker and Fisk...

Wilson Fisk at least lifts weights.

And appreciates art...actually, maybe not Fisk.

Yes

Ya

What are you? Conservative Santa?

I had to look up Fisk, unfamiliar I am with him.
But no way, that would imply Trump had something akin to a brain in that vast expanse of nothingness inhabited by only writhing Twizzlers and pipping Tweets betwixt his ears.

Ever see the movie Being There? No insult to Peter Sellers, but the way he was mistaken for a genius when he was a simple minded gardener is how these dolts percieve Trump. That the Seller's character was taken into the Presidential circle in that movie fits in an angle as well.

Maybe, but did you ever see The Lawnmower Man when he was a simple gardener and he turned to a really full on computer genius and then he actually entered the computers as and energy and sort of evil genius.

Somehow I've not managed to see that one yet.

Oh, you should try it, it is awesome

I meant the new TV show but

Yeah, I was thinking of the emotional detachment, egomania, greed and need for recognition, but you're right, Fisk is far cleverer.

I haven't seen it but I do like Peter Sellers, I'll check it out.

So like Fisk, but minus the brain and whatever he's got is insane and senile.

Really good movie, great commentary on politics, but kinda depressing (for me).

Gotham was good, it's annoying when stuff disappears without warning.

Yeah, damn. Even the Orville indicated a coming season, but nothing yet. Yes, I watched that Star Trek TNG lite.

The recent Daredevil series is live action, I don't particularly care about Marvel but I really enjoyed it.

I was watching Gotham, but seems that's gone this season.

Yes, essentially a stupid Fisk.

I recommend Daredevil.

Yes, a lot of the superhero stuff is so great. All the different ways around.

I'm not much up on cartoons sadly.

What you mean the new Marvel cinematic universe TV show or more previous Daredevil?

Ironically, I think if he were to start from scratch like the rest of us, a self-employment trade would really be his only shot at eaking out a living. Nothing where he'd have to have a job interview - something where he can run misleading advertisements and then try to weasel his way out of legal responsibility for botching the job afterwards.

I think he'd be lucky to have gotten a gig mopping floors alone at night where his nonsense can be kept out of the way.

Yeah - no job that requires a face to face interview with a hiring manager of any kind would have been accessible to him.

"I got this cousin, Donny, he'd be great for the night shift cleaning..."

Oh that's right! He does his own telephone references as well - I'd forgotten about that!

I was framing it as by an actual cousin, because he hates being called "Donny" on account of his father tormenting him with it. But yeah, acting as his own PR agent would have done it too, what a dipwad. He used to be a pest everywhere on local tv, and no one knew why at the time.

Dimbles?... You mean Timber1972? I've no idea, he is such an unproductive spam of nonsense argument, I blocked him a long time ago. Haven't missed him even a little bit.

Yes, Dimber1972. Let me ask you can you see the stuff he wrote there today, I mean how does blocking work

It looks like this. First off, you never get a notification for it, so you could miss it completely if you're not scrolling through a comment thread after the fact. Second, all you see is that someone wrote something there in the conversation. If you want to click on it to read it you can, but before you do, just take a second to remind yourself that everyone you blocked was someone who wasted your time by writing inanely stupid material and nothing they could have written is worth reading by definition.

Thanks for your reply. Sorry my phone died. Very interesting, it is good you can see they replied or else would be in the dark. So it blocks who replied to them as well?

If you want to know who wrote it and what they said, you click on it and it becomes a normal regular comment box - but why would you want to? You blocked their dumb ass because they're not important.

Yes I totally get that. If you block them you had a good reason . But does it also block who replied to them.

Hey! I mop floors all the time.

Yes

Has he never seen The Sixth Sense?

Alas, yes.

Yes

Um, yes