The more they speak, the more we know where their alliance lies.

All Donald Trump is talking about during a global pandemic is the economy and getting "back to business" by Easter, so surely you can understand the concern?

Just how do you think we buy those ventilators and pay those benefits.... your socialisms is simply Communism without a strong and healthy capitalist system to carry it.

Actually, in a lot of places the help and equipment is coming from donations and crowdfunding.

https://www.abccolumbia.com/2020/03/30/crowdsourcing-desperately-needed-medical-supplies-in-coronavirus-fight/pic/393373/

That are all supported either directly or indirect buy a capitalist system that generates tax money or disposable income that can be given to a charity.

The attitude is Socialist, not Capitalist.

I have seen an influx of support and free content being shared online by the self-employed.
I've seen a huge amount of support for the service workers and people in necessary public-facing roles.
The criticism I've seen against Socialism and against liberal attitudes is that there is a reluctance to work and to contribute but in these dire circumstances there is a lot of evidence of the exact opposite.

Often the people with the least to share are the most willing to share.

Yes, those things are supported by a Capitalist system because that is currently the system we have, my argument is that they don't necessarily have to be.
Maybe people are more willing to contribute than you think?

All people are willing to contribute including socialist and communist when faced with a external threat. Everyone hated Stalinist Russia but they hated the Germans more. The problem springs up no matter your political beliefs ...when things are normal.... when individuals are no longer allowed to achieve and be rewarded for their own efforts ….when everyone is rewarded the same....when the individual spirt is crushed for the sake of the state or party. at that point everyone simply puts in in neutral and coasts and you have Venezuela. productivity crashes government prints more money for meaningless raises and everyone has billons of bolivars in their pocket and can't buy a carrot with them.

Oh, yes, hope is bad!

That's what you've understood from me expressing that the President is ignoring professional advice and talking about prioritizing business over the health of the public?

'Hope is bad.'

Hope is good, do you know what's better?
Having the person that's been elected to run the country demonstrate that he cares about the lives of the people living in it, by following the advice he's been given?
Also, having access to healthcare without the risk of getting in debt.

Trump is going to be as positive as he can about it. It's his salesman's way. That's just Trump.

Positivity has to come from a position of accepting the facts, otherwise it's delusion.

He's responsible for people's lives, what's needed is responsible behaviour, seeking and following advice from specialists, prioritizing human life over business interests (I thought you lot were all about prioritizing life), not a sales pitch.

He's supposed to be leading and making decisions that will lead to the best possible outcome, not convincing everyone that everything will be fine.

He's damned it he does, damned if he doesn't.

'He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't."

Damned if he does what? You're making it sound like he's being criticised for trying but there's only any point in trying if you're doing the right thing!

" having access to healthcare without the risk of getting in debt." dude even if the government gives it to you your going into debit for it, the government gives you free healthcare and then borrows the money to pay for it causing all money to become worth less infect serving as a tax on you. your still on the hook for the money except with free government care your children have to also pay that debit for YOUR care in the form of less money, for schools, roads, police fire protection, pensions, the bill always comes due.

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Three strikes and you're out. Thank you for playing, though. It's been somewhat of a pleasure.