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Once again we see LarryCaird's faux outrage

The problem during the Bush Great Recession was a lack of money in the hands of banks,individuals and companies. President Obama extended the cuts in income taxes introduced by President Bush. A reduction in "Payroll Taxes," proposed by this administration is a different duck. If he meant, cut income taxes rathere than the Social Security tax reductions he has been calling for, and nobody seems to know for sure, that would also be less effective than ending the trade wars. Our 2008 recession was a domestic product. The looming international recession is related to production of important stuff, like drugs for example. The commerce that this would produce, would stimulate an economy that already has enough money. It would also help other countries avoid or lessen the impact of recessions that seem to be starting internationally. Commerce is always a good thing for our farmers and workers.

Equivocate: use ambiguous language so as to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself.

Thanks for the demonstration.

Once again we see you only oppose an action when a Republican does it, and you engage in mental gymnastics to defend the same action taken by a Democrat. The only problem is, while conducting your tumbling pass on the floor exercise, you over rotated on a double back lay out and landed on your head.

"The problem during the Bush Great Recession was a lack of money in the hands of banks,individuals and companies."

The "Bush Great Recession" (*chuckles*) ended in June of 2009. The Obama Payroll Tax Cuts were signed in 2012. The recession was long over.f

Have a nice day.

I may be partisan in focus at times. But, I try to be truthful. Look at the history of the tax cuts. These were part of an overall program to pump money into the economy developed by Republicans Hank Paulson (Bush's Secretary of Treasury) and Ben Bernanke (Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank.) Bush signed them into law in various omnibus bills. Obama extended them, to keep them from expiring, in 2010 and 2012. The "Recovery," from the recession was the weakest since the Great Depression, in spite of focused infusion of credit and cash. Unemployment remained in double digits into the end of 2009 and at high single levels years later. Surgical repairs orchestrated by the government, the federal reserve, commercial banks and others repaired the problems, resulting in a slow and sure recovery of jobs and commerce. The effects of the Recession were said to be over late in 2015. This was in spite of the fact that at every turn, Mitch Mc Connell refused to work with the Obama Administration in any bipartisan effort. He famously said, repeatedly, during the first term that his primary objective was to make "Obama a one term president." One can't help but wonder how much stronger the economy could have been if recovery was a bi-partisan objective, instead of something to be sabotaged in the name of partisanship.

I am sorry, you continue to go down a road of nonsense. The reality is, the recession was long over by the time Obama renewed the pay roll tax cuts for the 2nd time in 2012. At that time Unemployment 8.3% on a steady downward trend. So please stop trying to craft this narrative that Obama was doing this to fight some sort of Recession monster, that had long since passed.

Further, I am not going to listen to your petty complaints of partisanship. You do realize Democrats have been trying to make President Trump a one term President, hell less than that? They have spread rumor after rumor in a pathetic and desperate attempt to ruin his Presidency and divide the nation. Lastly, Republican's took control of Congress in 2010. So the tax cuts you claim is fine for Obama, HAD TO HAVE REPUBLICAN SUPPORT! The Obama Administration got their wish list on the economy. Higher taxes (mostly through ObamaCare), as well as an unprecedented stimulus package (whose effects were underwhelming).

So please keep your bullshit to yourself.

Here's some "bullshit," from a news story right after Republicans took control of the House of Representatives in November of 2010:

--Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”--

Republican style Bi-partisanship in the middle of recovery from a recession.

Peace.

"Here's some "bullshit," from a news story right after Republicans took control of the House of Representatives in November of 2010:"

Thank you for proving my point with this epic self own. The 2012 Pay roll tax cut could not have passed with out REPUBLICAN SUPPORT. So while you are posting what McConnell and Boehner SAID you are ignoring HOW THEY VOTED.

Also, please feel free to show me the Republicans three year long impeachment efforts to remove Obama.

They voted for an extension of a Bush Administration program.

Was Bush President at the time? No. Obama was. They voted to give a tax cut which Obama wanted.

Please stop, Larry. You are embarrassing yourself.

Do you mean like when Ronald Reagan made defeating the law putting an end to once a year income tax payments in California, which established payroll deductions. Then he took credit later when the law he vehemently opposed, saying "Taxes should hurt," when it eliminated annual deficits in early April.

no i mean like Obama telling Trump he'd need a magic wand to bring the jobs back and get the GDP to 4%

i thought that was pretty obvious. I'll do charts for you next time ...i'll do them monochrome so you can print them off and color them in, okay? :)

also, monochrome means "black and white" :)

You don't seem to understand. They are still being shipped in, you are just paying more for them while they are buying their soybeans elseswhere. It is what Trump calls "winning." Oh, and we are also paying the farmers for not selling to the Chinese. I guess that must be "double-winning."

If you want to know why you are buying it, go back and read the history of the $30 C.D. player.

Larry, go to a hardware store and look at where a GE extension cord is made. China. Look at where the ACE brand is made. USA. The GE cord won't work on most of the 3 outlets on the light duty cord. It works on every outlet in the light duty US made ACE cord. I know after going through about 10 of the Chinese made POS and after comparing notes on tons of other Chinese products with others. Buy US you buy it once. Buy Chinese and you get a POS. Oh, Apple. Glad you mentioned it. I've owned 3 ipods (given to me) over the past 20 years. Each one dies with the same internal flaw after about 4 years of use. Made in China. If we never got another thing from China Americans would have more money in their pockets. If It says China on it I don't need it and chances are I can buy a US made version for less (like the extension cords I was mentioning as an example) Look for the US label.

About 25-years ago WalMart planted a few buyers in China. They told Chinese manufacturers that they would open their checkbooks when someone produced a C.D. player they could sell for $30 in their stores for the next Christmas. That is where the onlaught began. But, a Tariff today cannot reverse what has already happend. We need to work for a better future, not a return to the past. Build a better mousetrap, and the world will bet a path to your door. Paths to olden days are overgrown and lonely.

Joe Biden, now there's a real leader to go forward..........