Sad!

Too bad, so sad.

Kinda like you guys said about Hillary getting away with actual crimes.

Ivanka wasn't a secretary of state with access to classified intel.

A major difference between Ivanka and Hillary is that Ivanka wasn't being investigated for pay to play(the reason the whole email thing started)and erasing/destroying the evidence right after being subpoenaed(but she had a good excuse so you libs are ok with that) therefore leaving no evidence of pay to play to prosecute...long story short by liberal logic sence Hillary wasn't convinced of a crime she is therefore innocent doesn't matter how that conclusion was reached she in your eyes is innocent.

Well on a level playing field by the same logic Trump having never being convinced of any actual collusion with the Russians (they could have used the Mueller report against him in the hearings had there been anything substantial in it) and next Wednesday when he will be acquitted of all charges he will by your accepted line of logic be forever innocent.

So build a bridge and get over it or just continue to be the lil Hypocritical hate filled resistance your side has become.

Hah. The party-line acquittal that will result from this sham of a “trial,” where testimony from all the main actors has been blocked, does not convince me at all.

The stonewalling in fact makes me more convinced of Trump’s guilt, and certainly his guilt with respect to Art. II.

I will reserve my final judgment until after all the evidence is heard, which will probably have to wait until shortly after the next Democratic Administration takes office.

But HRC is now a private citizen with no shield of “executive privilege” whatsoever so I repeat: feel free to pursue her if there is a there there.

There is nothing to pursue Kylie...she destroyed/erased the evidence.

Refuse/Hide supposed evidence,destroy and erase supposed evidence...tomato tomado.

You say your going to reserve your final judgment lol...who are you trying to kid? I'm guessing you decided he was guilty 3 years ago

So I repeat build a bridge and get over it.

I didn’t think Trump was personally guilty for anything having to do with Mueller, although plenty of his associates were.

But Ukraine? I’ve read the Zelensky transcript. I’ve read through the House Impeachment Report and all the evidence presented this far. As well as considered how Trump has blocked all the evidence and testimony that has yet to be collected and refused to testify himself. I do think Trump is guilty as hell for this one.*

*Probably! (Art. I)

**Anyone who *doesn’t* think he’s guilty of at least Art. II is either brain-dead or just a tremendous Trump loyalist. That one can be decided right now.

https://www.scribd.com/document/443783939/OLC-Opinion-Judicial-Enforcement-Authority-01-19-2020
2hu1p5.jpg (click to show)

So sez the guy who thinks Biden did no wrong with threatening to withhold a billion until they fired the guy investigating his son's company.

By the way, which associate was guilty of colluding with Putin/Russia? See meme

And he’s not even wrong! The evidence is in fact overwhelming and uncontradicted!

Still doesn’t mean you get to stonewall and block the documents and testimony of the principal actors

Although apparently, we just learned: if you have the votes, yes you do!

At least: until you no longer have the votes. What will happen when Republicans lose power? Trump better put that pardon list together — himself included, since he apparently thinks he can do that

Yeah, that's pretty funny from the guy who thinks Biden did no wrong in threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine until they fired a prosecutor, which they did, that was investigating a corrupt company his son was working for. Actual quid pro quo.

Stonewall? Like calling an unending stream of witness to try the case in the senate instead of congress?

The dems rejected the repubs demand for witnesses in congress. Held secret meetings in the basement. Decided not to subpena Bolton because it would have taken too long to fight his opposition. Never thought they could rush through the quickest, 1st partisan impeachment hearing ever. But, as we just learned, if you have the votes, yes you can!

Well, the dems have done their best to ensure Trump gets re-elected. Incumbent presidents with good economies usually win anyway. Trump is an outlier tho, so I don't think it's a certainty.

1 - Talking points straight from Giuliani’s reality-manufacturing machine. Hunter Biden was on no one’s radar until Trump put him there. I would have loved to hear Giuliani go under oath and try to connect the dots for us, though. As it is, I believe America’s Mayor was last seen filming a “documentary” about all this in Ukraine featuring several corrupt Ukrainians and the disgraced ex-prosecutor that was so shameless that FOX News wouldn’t even air it. Our President is a big fan, though.

2 - Not calling key witnesses under subpoena is stonewalling, yes. As is blocking subpoenaed documents and choosing to answer the impeachment charges haphazardly and self-servingly via tweet rather than manning up and doing so under-oath.

3 - I love how Republicans now pretend they would have preferred it if Impeachment had dragged out for months. You guys about lost it when Pelosi wouldn’t turn over the articles for a couple days over Christmas break. She decided to try to negotiate a fair process with McConnell and it now seems she was entirely right to have done so.

4 - I think anyone who’s not a Trump loyalist is going to retch at what just happened in the Senate. You can always Monday morning quarterback what the Dems did, but the fact is the GOP called no witnesses of their own which would have been an entry-level commitment to getting at the truth of what happened here. Instead they were content to let hired guns Dershowitz and Starr get up there and hold the floor, eat up time, and contradict everything they previously said during Clinton’s impeachment.

We’ll see come November!

You mean kind of like the democrats running impeachment contradicted everything THEY said during Clinton's impeachment?

During the Clinton impeachment, there was bi-partisan agreement on basic principles of fairness like judgment should be rendered after hearing firsthand witness testimony including from the President himself.

Ken Starr's famous report identified 11 "process crimes" and recommendations for impeachment, but compare apples-to-apples and there wasn't nearly Trump-levels of stonewalling