Wake up, guys. They’re not going to jail. No charges even filed. (Trump might be at risk after leaving office, though.)

Nobody really cares about the Bidens. After this next election, they will be less relevant than people named Clinton, assuming that's even possible.

However, KF, you probably don't want to suggest trying former presidents for their crimes. BHO has a pretty sketchy set of circumstances... IRS-gate, Fast and Furious, and who can forget, spying on a political candidate through the use of lies on FISA warrant applications?

The OLC says sitting presidents cannot be indicted. I think there is very solid reasoning behind that. Defending a criminal case while trying to run the country would be difficult.

The Constitution provides that Impeachment by the representatives of the people, not indictments filed by unelected prosecutors, is the proper basis to initiate removal of a sitting President.

As for prosecuting Presidents *after* leaving office...

—The Obama stuff does not scare me at all. I’ll just single out this: Spying on the Trump campaign? They were in contact with the Russians. Of course the spooks were interested in that and were right to be. Obama could have blown the lid off Trump’s ‘16 campaign by making the Russian information public, but he didn’t. Even while HRC was getting pummeled over emails. Why? Obama didn’t want to “interfere in an election”!

—It would not be good precedent to vindictively prosecute ex-presidents, typically: but nor are individuals above the law, even if they have served as President.

—When it comes to Trump, he can always pardon himself (as he has said he believes he has the right to do), or else resign 5 minutes before his term is up and hope Pence pardons him.

I don't need a civics lesson from you, KF.

However, you seem completely unaware that Carter Page was working for the CIA, and that's why he was in contact with the Russians? If, as an American citizen, he had done anything close to what you and the snowflake elitists thing he had done, he would have gotten the 'General Flynn treatment' long ago. Mueller wasn't effing around, right? Come on KF, apply some common sense!

https://www.newsweek.com/was-carter-page-spy-russians-or-us-802770

This 'above the law' chorus from the left is worn out and tired in my opinion. OF COURSE nobody is above the law. But the dimwit Democrats in the house, who can't even handle creating articles of impeachment that can withstand senate scrutiny, certainly treated Trump as if he was below the law. So while we should all agree that nobody is above the law, I would hope that we can also agree nobody is below the law, and should never receive the type of railroading that Trump received from the three stooges in the house, Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler.

I can't speak for Trump's state of mind (although Schiff seems to think that HE can...) but I would speculate that Trump is not worried about being prosecuted after he leaves office. So your silly suggestion about him believing he can pardon himself, or that he should resign and have Pence pardon him, merits no serious reply.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; people should not take what Trump says seriously. Try taking what he does seriously. Take him seriously, instead of continually under estimating him and his intelligence (and of course, the intelligence of those who support him.) The problem you guys have (as always, just my $0.02) is that you can't get past your personal hatred of him and look at his actual policies. Perhaps YOU can do that every now and then, but clearly not all of the time, or even a small percentage of the time. Try ignoring his tweets for a month or so, and watch what he does (new trade deals, low unemployment, etc.) You may find it eye opening.

I know you're relatively smart and I'm not trying to lecture you, just spelling this all out for the benefit of anyone else who might be reading.

I *am* paying attention to Trump's policies, actually. I posted this meme to the politics stream today to take a break from impeachment stuff. imgflip.com/i/3nsehs

Getting NATO to spend more on military is often touted as one of Trump's achievements. But look past the numbers and you'll see that by bullying our European allies and making other reckless statements (particularly about Merkel), Trump's made the NATO alliance weaker in intangible ways. Not to mention regarding Ukraine as his personal 2020 electioneering stomping grounds and being pretty damn personally simpatico with Putin.

Also this re: Iran. imgflip.com/i/3nfzng

I've posted another meme to "politics" awhile ago assessing the upsides and downsides of the Trump presidency in a neutral fashion. It would be too burdensome to dig it up now but you may have seen it and remember.

I gave Trump the benefit of the doubt for longer than most of my liberal friends. Even through the whole Mueller probe, which bagged a lot of Trump lackeys but did not turn up anything solid against the President himself.

However, Ukrainegate was the last straw for me, Pelosi, and a whole lot of other Dems. Impeachment was the right thing to do even if the GOP-controlled Senate and 2/3 voting requirement made his actual removal a snowball's chance possibility. It showed that Dems were not willing to roll over and play dead when confronted with evidence of election interference directly involving the President himself.

And after the acquittal: What will happen going forward? Hopefully, Trump will wake up and pump the brakes, but I doubt that. If he stays true to form, Trump will interpret this as a ratification and total exoneration of his conduct, and who knows what he'll do next. After all, he placed the Zelensky call the literal day after Mueller's testimony in Congress.

Whatever happens between now and November, and possibly after if he wins a second term, don't say we didn't tell you so.

Why not indict Obama?

A compromised Justice Department let Hillary slither away , maybe not this time .