Same person. Different locations. Serious question.

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I agree. A human is a human, Jesus taught about the value of human life in his time. seems we've forgotten.why is it any better to kill a baby not born yet, then just another human? who knows that baby could grow up to be a great person, find a cure for cancer, stop fights and wars. point is, a baby who is not born yet is just as valuable to God as anyone.

Someone on this site actually tried to use this as an argument defending abortions. 🙄

^That was me. Birth is important.

Until then -- and at least until the point of viability -- the fetus is attached to the mother and she shouldn't be forced to carry it.

Even after birth a baby is dependent on its mother. Should she also be forced to provide for it just because she waited too long before having it killed?

This may sound outlandish but so was abortion at one point.

that is a marble statue you cant fool me
now if youll excuse me i need to go look at statistics showing how the amount of abortions doesnt decrease when abortions are made illegal and it just increases amount of unsafe abortions and also stop supporting longer prison sentences for people who do abortions than rapists, alabama

mfs will defend the cell clump at the expense of a woman any day in any circumstance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRw9_4gklIs personally i think this video does a really good job at explaining abortion and i think youll like the title :/

okay are you going to watch the video

that might be a fair point, but it doesn't make abortions ok. The USA supporting abortions is a disgrace to America.

you do make a fair point, abortions are morally questionable, women who make the choice are often very upset from the ordeal. the question that is being avoided here is should the us make it harder for women to get *safe* abortions, or do we let medical professionals do abortions and reduce the risk of people using diy methods?

likes James3v3 said there really are no safe abortions as at least one person dies. and like I said, for the US to be supporting abortions is against what America was founded on. The value of human life.

um america wasnt founded on the value of human life it was founded on liberty
on the safe abortions not existing because theres a death either way, that only really makes sense if you think a person who doesnt even exist yet has more rights to their body than a living woman

well, when America was founded it wasn't necessarily on that. while America was founded on that people could practice any religion they wanted, the majority of America's population at that time were Christians. and Christians are usually against abortions, so though technically America is not founded on the value of human life, it is sort of founded on it as that's what they believed for the most part. and a baby that is not born yet still exists, it just hasn't been born yet, it is still a living human being, and it is disgusting that it is not considered murder, and no, it doesn't have more rights, it has the same.

i dont like the implication that 'on the most part' brings, it sounds like youre saying other religions and groups dont value human life as much as christians
aside from that, the living human being you were referring to as it isnt even aware of its own existence, it cant know that it has died or lived. the woman on the other hand, is aware of their existence and is experiencing the pains of a pregnancy for months before labour starts she does not want. why should she have to endure pain for something she does not desire and does not care for her?

many people cant afford to take care of children, are raped, shouldnt they be given the choice to remain unburdened by someone they might not even be able to take care of? even if they had sex without protection, they shouldnt be given a 18+ year punishment for being a dumb teenager

excuse me, I did not say other religions don't value life, I said that most Christians support the value of human life, because it was what Jesus taught. do not put words in my mouth, I can have a conversation about this respectfully but if you say I said something I didn't I can not stay respectful. and to what you said about the baby that is not born yet not having a desire, or even know they lived or died, I will agree that is a good point, but does that make it ok to kill? to kill the baby because of its an inconvenience. many couples hope and pray for a baby, and they cant have one. yet these people are throwing away human babies! its insane, abortion is not different than murder.

sorry for offending i was pointing out out a potential implication, not what you actually said
on what you said about killing the fetus, i dont think most women would call being pregnant a mere inconvenience. as men we dont have to bear with, like back pain, nausea, tiredness, and sometimes depression. that isnt to say pregnancy is always an insufferable experience, but some women dont want that, and then theres the pain of actually giving birth, a similar experience of pain to being kicked in the balls. certainly not just an inconvenience, and definitely more than one if the woman cant afford to take care of the baby. saying that lots of people want children and cant have them doesnt really mean anything, some random person not getting an abortion isnt going to make their situation any better.
comparing abortion to murder is pretty compelling but i disagree that is an accurate one. when women who have a problem with their uterus go to the doctor to artificially inseminate their egg, the doctors put a bunch of eggs in a dish, mix them with sperm, and put only one into the mother. the rest arent used and they die, probably washed down the drain. do those unborn babies count? and if they dont, why not? they have the same rights as any other person, shouldnt they get a chance at life? also if those unwanted babies dont count, why should normally created babies count if theyre unwanted?

I can't stop people from getting abortions, or the government from making them legal. but I can defend my Christian point of view, and even if I know nothing about it I will defend it as much as I can. so basically my thing is that we (The US)should not be supporting this, and while you could argue its not murder, someone dies, and the fact that America is making it easier to have an abortion is horrifying.

ill agree to disagree, though to argue against abortion based on religious beliefs, you would have to prove that god is real for the us, which is supposed to be secular, to take seriously, otherwise it would be a breach of the constitution with or without roe v wade

for some reason it is not letting me reply to your latest comment so I am replying to this one. right, if someone was brain dead or in pain you might let them die. but the baby is not in pain, they could have a whole life ahead of them. and to what you said about the eggs in a dish, I'm not saying that's ok, that is wrong to throw those away, but it is in some ways different from abortion, as those eggs are only a possibility to grow into a human.

yeah imgflip has a thread limit and i hate it
while the baby is not in pain, the mother could actually be, which brings in the question as to whether protecting the comfort of a potential life is more important than allowing a life in full swing to prevent their discomfort. the issue i take with your defence of surrogate eggs not being used is that the egg they end up using is also only a possibility. certainly a more likely possibility, but miscarriages and stillborn births happen all the time. why would it be different to throw those potential lives away but not the sperm and egg that got to be in the womb?

like I said I don't agree with the dish thing, but I'm talking about abortions and how those are wrong and not how those are wrong, I don't know much about this stuff, and like I've said many others could defend my point of view better than I could.

i dont really know too much about pregnancy myself and there plenty of people who could argue my view better than me too. ive seen videos arguing for abortion and a point that usually comes up goes along the line of people not knowing very much about pregnancy arguing against abortion. theres a really good one by a guy who is personally against abortions and he talks about the alabama governors not being particularly knowledgeable about the subject despite trying to restrict abortions
i think it's perfectly fine to dislike the concept of abortions and never want to abort yourself, but to say that no one else should be allowed to make that decision when the circumstances of the predicament arent going to always be known, i cant get behind that

thankyou for apologizing. I see where might of thought that. well no, I don't know what being pregnant feels like, and no one is forced to have children, and like I've said before many people can't have children and its sad, and there are others basically killing their own children. and, abortion is murder. you are killing a human. and like I've said before, that baby could grow up to do great things, but their mother doesn't care about the baby. so an innocent person dies. you have said before that the baby would not know they even existed, but does that make it any better? would you kill a man or woman that for whatever reason wasn't aware of there existence?

but wouldnt women who get pregnant and dont want to have a child be effectively forced to have the child if abortion isnt an option? im still not seeing how some people being infertile matters in this context at all. you didnt address the questions i posed so it's kind of hard to answer your first question without repeating myself, but for your second question i think it would be ethical to 'kill'/let a grown human die who isnt aware of their being. that person is either really old and has a very bad illness or brain dead and it would probably be less painful for everyone involved to let them die than to strap them to a machine, keeping them 'alive' as long as physically possible. 'if you love me let me go' if you will

I meant about political stuff like this, no you have brought up some great questions and argued that point very well even if I don't believe in what your defending I can respect your abilities. If the US makes abortions illegal it might not turn out great, but the fact the US supports it is my problem.

I'm not a genius on this topic so if I'm sounding dumb that why. many others could defend my point of view better.

"safe murder" is an oxymoron.

abortion isnt murder

Except it is. It's willful termination of another human's life (intentional killing) that violates the Fifth Amendment's clause requiring due process of law before deprivation of life (unlawful).

the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Violating the Fifth Amendment right of "No person shall ... be deprived of life... without due process of law" is unlawful.

thats just it though, fetuses arent people. theyre HUMAN, but theyre not people.

"theyre HUMAN, but theyre not people." Except those two words are synonyms and saying that is like saying "Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States of America, not an American".

synonym doesnt mean the same exact concept, if youre using human and person interchangeably, then the assumption would be they are already born because fetuses cannot be people

Interesting how you are incapable of being right.

Lol