Is it laziness, total lack of originality or something else?

Males in general are being devalued, especially us white ones. I may even catch some flak for saying that here, but watch commercials and look at billboards and magazine ads. It's always the male that is made to be an idiot. The dad in the sitcom is the buffoon that can't do anything right. We're being made to fade into the background and if we speak up then we are swiftly put back in the corner that we're supposed to be in and be quiet. The ones that are celebrated are feminized. That's part of it, the other part is a growing trend in the film industry where just remaking an old classic is easier to do than actually coming up with something new. Disney is on a kick to just crank out old movies, my wife wanted to go see the Lion King and I swear it was like watching the cartoon movie with lots of CGI and the same...exact...script...almost to the word. Waste of money.

I agree with everything you just wrote!

Do you know what the slang in the advertising world use to be for women? Two c**ts on a kitchen. It’s not that we are being devalued, it’s advertisers are soulless creatures that use the don’t be clues like this idiot to sell products. Currently yes males are more often cast in that roll, but that it is a roll at all is what bothers me.

Yes, it's a two way street and I agree with you, no one should be cast in that light. I guess I'm just a little jaded right now because it's my stereotype that is currently being framed...I'm allowed :)

Have you seen Get Out?

Cant say that I have...

It's made by a guy who said he's only going to cast black folks as his leads. Which, whatever, but had a white producer/director said that... but that movie. Another white male bad movie camouflaged as a horror/psychological thiller, which of course was a hit.

Doesnt sound like I missed much then...

I see my writing on my phone still sucks. In a kitchen and clueless.

Ugh, I do hate that "c" word.

Why would you catch flak for stating the truth? Only the most normiest normie can't see that by now. But it goes as far back as "Norma Rae", where every white character is a dumb, backwaters, Christian bigot, just total trash. Fields won an academy award.

Andrea Martin was so much better in the SCTV version.

Andrea Martin was so great. Pretty fearless.

Indiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaa..........

I don't remember that. Damn, hope Youtube has that.

No dice. I've seen more of their later work. Not so much the first couple seasons on NBC, where it was an hour or more.

I haven't seen them in ages...

lol found it.

haha, last sec I edited out a certain surprise scene lest I spoil it for any who ain't seen it.

I got the worst memory with shows, but any parody of that annoying Sally Fields plus with Martin, no less...

It's the internet son, you put your opinion out there and someone is sure to dice it up!

True

Since most movies still have a white manly man male lead and the 'White Messiah' is still a thing as well as the movie about some non-white's story featuring a white male as a star, safe to say the Al Bundy's are still a relative rarity.

The self sacrifing black guy who is also a tad too quick to action and lapses into ghetto talk when ticked off is also still a thing. The young angry black guy is always the first one to die in Horror movies. Hooray for affirmative action.

We still have the quiet neutered Asian male who can barely look a woman straight in the eye, let alone f-f-flir❎, DRATS! can't even say it.

But that's ok, because there's still a Caucasian ready to marry the Asian female, who of course prefers him over those eternally impotent Asian males anyways. (How did there get to be so many in China?)

The dyke cop/soldier Puerto Rico is always a delight, and true to her kind, so horny she STILL does a couple of the non-Hispanic white males because they are so much more appealing than women despite her lesbianic tendencies.

Khan Singh became a Brit instead of Indian for that Star Trek remake, whereas the original went blonde-ish in the original, to match the rest of his now blonde crew that was originally mixed ethnicities & races on the show.

Future blonde man is still a sci fi standard, since we untermenschers are all evolving to be that.

Women and various races tend to have a younger acting expiration date, while well ripened males still get leads.

Yes, contrived hammered switches can be annoying and tiresome (glad I'm not a Bond fan), but no worries, some American white fella will still be at the helm of the Japanese Navy for the next Godzilla movie, so the majority of lead roles going to studly WASPs with the occasional Inspector Clouseau tossed in for comic relief is not quite yet a thing of the past.

Wait, we are talking Hollywood here?

The nerdy Indian college student,

The Arab terrorist,

The Russian spy,

The German international master hitman,

The fuggetaboutit Italian Mafiosa,

The secret IRA Irish guy,

The Mexican gang banger,

The Mexican house cleaner,

The one black couple in the entire suburb next door,

The always a Rabbi Jew,

The red headed BFF that no guy wants even though she's way better looking than the hot blonde her bestie is crushing on and with less makeup to boot,

The swarthy guy who is never the lead,

The gay guy with terrific fashion sense the lead female meets up with in the restaurant lunch scene,

The fat BFF,

Sheesh, even the eyes of the apes went from brown to what when they went intelligent in the new Planet of the Apes...?

Yes, paedowood is disgusting, newsflash at 11. But paedowood has been getting more and more 'woke' in the last decade or so.

Must that word pepper everything tho...? It trivializes it if anything.....

Of course it trivializes it. They should have thought of that before they ruined the Star Wars franchise. If there was ever a cash cow. We'll see what happens with the Bond series. I've never watched them, so I care less. But like female Ghostbusters, the sheer shoehorning of a female 007 may cause it to jump the shark. Maybe they'll make a great movie, Sarah Conner in T2 and Ripley in aliens were awesome characters, nothing felt forced, but a woman kicking trained spies asses?

I've said it before, I'm no Bond watcher either, but I'm still ticked off about hiring Pierce Brosnan because he was such a doll, and I actually used to watch Remington Steele. So this ain't thrilling me much any.
Same with the last Road Warrior with Tom Hardy who is anything but Max.
Did you hear they're planning not just more with him, but spinning off a Furiosa line too with Charlize Theron?

Bond always seemed to me to be a giant coping method after Britain lost all it's colonies and prestige in the 20th century. I also had a friend with English heritage and he'd gush over it to the point of inducing nausea. I imagine they were fun back in the day tho. I tried watching a newer one with Craig but it was 45 minutes of some boring card game so I bailed.

Hmmm, I like that the director doesn't use CGI, but that one was a little disappointing. Was just expecting more. Ugh, I can't stand Theron.

So Bond was kind of their Godzilla, in a manner of speaking.

I like Fury Road, but would have made more sense if Hardy was the son of Max. He weren't a Mel, and the story has cultures that would have taken generations at a rushed minimum (and really centuries or millenia) to develop, not years after breakdown (Furiosa even telling of her clan and being of the house of... blah blah blah).
I had seen an article about it before release that said it was more storyboard than script, so was prepared for that. The cinematography, the pacing, the action - to me it works as some weird mutant ballet, nicely done in that regard.
Plus every time I see Hardy I see 115lb Shinzon with his 11" wide shoulders, haha.

What more were you expecting?

Oh, I liked it way better than much I've seen since The Dark Knight but after the 5 minute cameo of the V-8 pursuit special in The Road Warrior, I hoped to see more in Fury Road. I watched Mad Max alot of times as a kid.

Yeah, as a redhead I see the bias in hair color when it comes to female leads. More often than not it isn't the blonde that's made out to be smarter, sexier, ecetera though - it is the brunettes with the generic botox lips, Angelina Jolie scowl and hollow personality, lol

Having been engaged to a redhead once, I'd have to surmise your analysis is fuelled by pure rage and should be questioned : P

You were obviously with the wrong redhead, hon ;)

Redheads - eternally relegated to the sidekick role, the supportive best friend, the wallflower.
Like Asian men on the screen, apparently it's not in the cards for them to breed...

Ok, on the X Files, Gillian Anderson's Scully was sorta breaking out of that, but ultimately was doomed to that quasi shadow existence as she was eclipsed by Duchovney's mopey droning and an even more ponderous version of ye olde "Will they ever get to do the nasty?" which naturally she was yearning for because Mulder was so amazingly awesome. Awesome like a bucket of Playdoh left out to gently thaw in the geographic center of Greenland in late November.

LOL I actually liked Mulder (love Duchovny's pretty eyes).

I reckon, yeah.

Thing is the show took itself TOO seriously, so needed to ease up on that increasingly self absorbed aspect a bit.

That is a very thorough list of stereotypes!

haha, the first was more thought out, as witnessed by the verbage. The second was just to add 1 or 2, then quickly tacked on the rest,,,,

It's both laziness (just change a traditional male roll to female and now we're not sexist!) and originally scares Hollywood. New original movies bring uncertainty and nothing scares the suits more than making a movie that flops. Hence why so many sequels, prequels, and spinoff's.

It is possible to right new characters in a new movie setting and have the lead be a woman right from the start, but it's safer to make yet another in the series that people already know instead of letting a franchise run it's course and do something new. (I stopped caring about Bond films years ago and I really like Danial Craig as an actor)

Want to watch a spy thriller with a female lead that's original? Atomic Blonde is an exceptional movie that is fresh and exciting to watch. Only problem I have with it was once I saw the ending, I don't want to watch it again as the suspense is gone. But it was still a great movie.

^ Yes, this.

I think it's both laziness and lack of originality. If people dare insult these movies they are dubbed sexist. I've watched plenty of movies with strong original female protagonists. But now it seems Hollywood's idea of honouring women is to cast them in uninspired, badly written reboots.

I heard that Bond is not really being changed to a female character. From what I read, in the next movie they are bringing in a female agent and Bond is planning on retiring, and she becomes 007, but he's still Bond and I think they will have a love interest between them. This is Daniel Craig's last Bond film so it's transitional, but in the next film a new male actor will become the new 007/Bond when Bond decides n it to retire.

I do agree though that creating new females characters in general is better than replacing classic male characters with females. I'd be really upset if the Bond thing was long term

They're lazy and unimaginative. My wife wanted to see "The Hustle" (Rebel Wilson / Anne Hathaway), and while watching it - I explained that it was a remake of a movie called "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" (Michael Caine / Steve Martin). They didn't even bother to change much... Same premise, same city, even some of the character names were the same. It was pathetic.....all they did was change the gender of the main characters and it did predictably terrible....as these gender flip remakes always do - it flopped.

That's disgusting. No creativity in paedowood at all anymore. When will the majority decide to boycott that cesspool?

I haven't seen that one, but will avoid it now. Thanks for the heads up!