Bible Man

Um...Exodus 21:22-25

“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Do look for new ways to be wrong?

Are you kidding? It's about the child - the whole thing is about the child.

Literal rendering from the original Hebrew:

And when men fight and strike a pregnant woman ('ishah harah) and her children (yeladeyha) go forth (weyatse'u), and there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the husband of the woman may put upon him; and he shall give by the judges. But if there is injury, you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

There is a Hebrew word for miscarriage, and it isn't used - instead the child has gone forth. So the scripture has the child born premature.

There is a separate scripture regarding injuries to a woman. Exodus 21:20

Actually it is about property, as wife and children were of the man.
Hence why the punishment is a fine or equivalent physical injury, NOT denial into some imaginary eternal Club Met in the clouds after death.

Club Med*

Why are you arguing with a moron?

As Twain said - “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience".

Not too cowardly. Too intelligent.

Yup, mellow Chowsie is back on his horsie.

Yes you are.

Rage,Vagisil,Rage. At least you used one of your popular Memes. LOL

I believe what I see from you. Laugh like a fool. It doesn't change facts.
And here you are making excuses why you can't respond to my question instead of answering my question. Coward.

Hey, it's stalker Chowsie spouting along with his fellow low brow Trumpies.

Hey, It's my stalker Vagisil, Raging on another Meme because he is butthurt.

Rage, Vagisil,Rage.

Rage,Vagisil,Rage

Octavia, Always good for Whataboutism and deflection until you limp away

Gee. I wonder why. ROFL

You get swamped with notifications because you make idiotic comments on every Meme that triggers you. You don't reply to them right away because you're busy making idiotic comments on every Meme that triggers you.

You're a coward and a fool, You prove it on a daily basis.

Still waiting for your reply a dozens of other Memes, Coward.
Just reply on the other abortion Meme where you insulted the pregnant woman's looks.

Something tells me you are too weak and cowardly to answer. What a delusional hypocrite you are.

Exactly. There is no sense in arguing with a shit-flinging monkey.

Says the coward who limps from Meme to Meme after you get owned.

You have nothing, As usual.

You should stop trying to quote the bible. It's the same book where Moses led them to freedom.

Slavery was the law of Egypt. The Jews escaped by the end of that book. You're missing the entire point of that book: The Israelites were God's chosen people.

That's funny though, run away from your original statement.

Did I mention that I was a priest way back when? The politics of organized religion left a bad taste in my mouth.

I've read all of Exodus. It seems like you're trying to say I approve of slavery. It was the law of the time and place - Exodus describes the time and circumstance. Newsflash - there was slavery in Egypt during the time of Moses. Exodus 20-23 describe the laws of the time. Slavery was commonplace in antiquity. If you want to get emotional over slavery, it still exists today in the middle east and some parts of Africa.

If you really want to know what the gospel thinks of slavery, read Philemon, specifically the letter from the apostle Paul to Philemon. Paul’s writing is that Onesimus, since running away from Philemon, has become a Christian. Paul instructs Philemon to receive Onesimus “no longer as a slave . . . but as a dear brother”

Philemon was Egyptian?

You can't even keep your bs consistent within one comment.

Shalt not lie violation.

I never said he was...I said the bible had a different teaching about slavery. Philemon is a completely different book from Exodus. Do try to keep up.

THAT'S the point.
Read what YOU said earlier, SLOWLY.

what you don't understand is that the laws in exodus other than the Ten Commandments, which are laws that still apply to this day, are laws for the times. Back in those times, slavery was perfectly fine and acceptable. is it now? of course now. but it used to be. so they used to have rules that regulate it, making it not actually that bad of a situation. the bible didn't have to say that it's prohibited, because it wasn't. it was acceptable during those times. your whole argument about the bible being a bad moral guide is invalid because more than half the rules set in the book of exodus were for that time period.

Who authorized you to say those lies don't apply now?

I don't have to approve of the practices of antiquity, nor do I need to justify them. I'm not responsible for them, I didn't participate in them, and no manner of gnashing of teeth will change the record.

"GIVES" the law? You cannot be this dumb. It was not written until much later. Exodus descrives the 10 commandments (which does not mention slavery), and also describes other laws of the day. Slavery was a fact in antiquity, nobody knew anything else. Paul was not in a position to prohibit anything. He suggested the slave be treated as a brother - what more do you want?

When your reality is slavery, which the Israelite people were, it stands to reason that their histories would describe the life and reality of a slave.

"So God changes his mind? When did the stuff that used to be moral become immoral? When did executing people for blasphemy become immoral? When did genocide become immoral? When did child **pe become immoral? I would say these things have always been immoral."

tell me, do you think that people can change views? that SOCIETY can change? God gave humans free will. that free will allows us to, you know, make societies that maybe change their views on certain things over time. you have understand, back then, slavery. was. ok. is ok now? of course not! was it then? yes, it was. you can't compare to the slavery of the civil war times, because in the bible times, slavery wasn't as bad as a thing, because the slaves were treated better.

"Apply to whom? The Ten Commandments don't apply to me. The TC prohibit worshipping any other god. I can worship whatever god I want, or no god at all. The TC prohibits taking the name of God in vain. I have freedom of speech and can say whatever I want about God."

They apply to everyone, including you. saying you don't follow them doesn't mean they don't apply to you. does the law just cease to exist when you commit a crime? I didn't think so.

"If you say that stuff used to be okay because it was normal at that time, then you're okay with Mohammad marrying a six-year-old girl, right?"

octavia, I'm going to level with you on this one. Mohammad is a muslim figure. I am defending christianity. am I ok with Mohammad marrying a kid who just stopped being a toddler? no, I'm not. Do I realize that at the time it happened it was acceptable and normal? yes, I do. Do I like it? no, I don't.

I don't like how slavery was a thing back then anymore than you do. that much we can agree on. the difference is that I realize it used to be normal and acceptable, and it was treated that way. and the practice was went about so that it wasn't the way it was in civil war times, the closest a living man can get to hell.

Deflection now, When Whataboutism fails you.

What a surprise, Defending the right to kill innocent babies by using WHATABOUTISM.

You have nothing else.