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For example:Is a comotose person or someone on life support less valuable than the successful CEO of a major corporation? | TRUE OR FALSE:; A HUMAN'S VALUE AND EVEN THEIR PERSONHOOD IS DETERMINED BY HOW PRODUCTIVE THEY ARE IN SOCIETY | image tagged in purple background smoky soc,values,person | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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5 ups, 5y,
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I mean not really but people now would argue that
1 up, 5y
F because Your happiness is yours =)
5 ups, 5y
Tough question
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4 ups, 5y
I suppose that depends if the society itself is corrupt, parasitic, or otherwise degenerate.

It also depends on what do you define as human value. Valuable to whom? The state? The society? The person't boss/superior? And in what way valuable? As a worker/laborer? As a scribe/intellectual? As a warrior? As a spiritual guide?
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4 ups, 5y,
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1 up, 5y
I agree with you.
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Nobody asked
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For me, True, but ulimately False . it always start at the heart. The condition of your heart inspires personal ethos (or a moral compass) which always manifest itself through good works. But this is where the True comes in but initially,

In society, whether you have a good heart doesn't matter unless you prove your worth. You can be the nicest of persons but if you're lazy or apathetic, you're worthless. The foundation of civilization, on the surface, is dependant on the willingness of the civilian to follow the law; as law ensures order. Now can you contribute to the life of civilization as it is dependent on goods and services? Now here's whnere the False enters in.

You can, as a citizen, do all that is needed, but if you have loose ethics then by your cutting corners in production, in problem solving, in providing services, etc, trust among the consumers and workers alike will decline. They, will in turn cut corners, use dubious or outside sources such as the Black Market to purchase what they want, and do the same practices because "Well everybody's doing it to succeed, why can't I"? In the pursuit of success, laws will be broken, and eventually civlization will break down if there's no longer good people left.

Thus, your worth in society, is dependant on how good you are as a person. And a good person is not, until s/he obeys his/her own moral ethics, which ought to include hard work and attention to detail (James 2:14-17, 18).
K8. M
1 up, 5y,
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Perhaps I need to rephrase. I'm not really talking about people who refuse to work but those who are physically and/ or mentally unable to contribute to society in what many would deem a productive way such as the unborn, the disabled, the sick and elderly. What do you think of these people? I feel that every human is Givin dignity because they have a soul and are created in God's image. Their status in the world is really irrelevant.
1 up, 5y,
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I believe as you do, that while some of us are not Bill Gates, or Queen Elizebeth; and cannot contribute, or can no longer do so, we're still made in the image of God. Because of that, we have an inherent worth greater than all other created organisms.
0 ups, 5y,
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Just because we were created in God’s image doesn’t mean that we’re superior to nonhumans. Why would He create nonhuman animals to be sentient if He values them less than he values us? If anything, nonhumans should be considered superior because they cannot sin.
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OK, before I answer, do you know where in scripture that we're equal in worth to non-humans?
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Psalm 49:20
0 ups, 5y,
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"20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish."

OK, how do you know that that evidenced equal worth between organisms? Becuase it appears rather negatve to me, likening that man without understanding as a beast.
0 ups, 5y,
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They meant that man doesn’t understand that he is like the beasts that perish.
0 ups, 5y,
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Granted, but this passage doens't give a clear indication that of equality between creatrues. On the otherhand, you have the creation of man. Have you read the book of Genesis?
0 ups, 5y,
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I also heard once that the word “dominion” was mistranslated from a different Hebrew word, likely on purpose to justify speciesism.
0 ups, 5y
Show it to me, Mario. And I'm pretty sure it will not meet your sensibilities.
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Of course I have! Us being created in God’s image has absolutely nothing to do with equality, and we don’t even know if this is something that the Greeks/Romans conveniently mistranslated to justify speciesism! How do I know that’s what they’re up to? Because Jesus actually ate fishweed at the Last Supper not fishes, according to the Hebrew Bible!
1 up, 5y
Yes it does. Why? Because He had done it to no other creature but man. Only man, said in scripture, to be created in the image of God, only man was created personally by God (Genesis 1:26), rather than uttering him into existence (1:20-25), and only man was given dominion over all creatures that they fear Him (1:26-28, 9:2).
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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_681363?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAB6KRKaMaJKGkRi0uPmG4WiVuEH-7ea_azA0s1bswJnBNieldNbQr4kuN_bFjt_piVVB0w7K_T0ynao0gkSU5rpailvoMfhjn3-fOpGSiBip3uezIMOhkpYKMMd64DzGyzMEtcn7LM-MVrPznNCv_qFA-eBO39kncvt5dx9FlEBJ

https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
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Again, dominion means that we have power over them, not moral high ground. Might does not equal right.
0 ups, 5y
OK, while I agree that we should not abuse animals for the fun of it, you have a biased definition of what the word, "Dominion" means.

If you have a dominion over something, you have that right over it. It does not mean being a leader of it as if the only right you have is t lead by example. Here's the definitoin of the word:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/dominion
0 ups, 5y,
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Ecclesiastes 3:18-19
0 ups, 5y,
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With respect, I've asked you a question: have you read the book of Genesis?
0 ups, 5y,
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I already told you that I have!
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0 ups, 5y,
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Then use a part from the book of Genesis genius!
0 ups, 5y,
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The book of Genesis is about how God created the world. Chapter one discusses the first 7 days, and chapters 2 and 3 talk about Adam & Eve. Later comes the Great Flood.
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0 ups, 5y
That's common knowledge. Not deep understanding.
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Depends on perspective, from the worldly perspective I'd say value is determined by contribution to society, which is really sad in many cases. From God's perspective, no we are all valuable.
0 ups, 5y,
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No, God’s perspective is dependent on one’s righteousness level.
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No, God views us all the same. He wants ALL of us to be saved, which is why He provided a way everyone can follow regardless of how much they have. It is just THEIR choice if they want to follow it or not.
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1 up, 5y,
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Technically Someone on "life support" [like a ventilator or external pacemaker ] can/may eventually get off.
And... A person being on life support may positively impact their loved ones in a growth of their faith, a softening of their hearts, or in some other way. Then get better & get off.
So. No to the example. False.
K8. M
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That is so true. What I hate about our culture today is that people who aren't deemed "fit" for society are often deemed unfit to even live. The unborn are parasites, the disabled are burdonsome and taxing on the economy, the elderly are euthanized. Instead of allowing our hearts to grow in caring for the most needy we often take steps to get rid of them. From womb to tomb "all men are created equal and they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are LIFE, LIBERTY and THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS" who knows what battles the unresponsive person in bed is fighting and winning in the spiritual world. They could be stronger than the more "successful" person earning 6 figures ever will be.
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1 up, 5y
Yes.
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1 up, 5y
Great question, Kate.
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