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when you add nothing to the conversation but your comment still gets the most upvotes

Ah. Laonsite. I wondered why suddenly there was a new troll combing through the politics stream. :P

Cigarettes were called f*gs too.... whats your point?

https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

Okay. Lets go with that. Unpopular opinion time: Let me also point out that the Democrats were also Confederates. In that sense, now even more unpopular opinion time: why didn't you ban them? The Weimar Republic, as incompetent and ineffective as it was, didn't let the Bavarian Communist Party live any longer after their failed uprising. Why exactly was the Democratic Party back then not banned? Why are Confederate Symbols allowed and considered "American" and "Patriotic"? Why doesn't America tear down its Confederate statues? Because History? I don't think history is stored in statues. We Germans certainly don't remember the second World war by putting up Nazi status.The only thing they do is glorify traitors to America and Slavers.

*Cough*

TL:DR version: this meme is true, ignores some facts, and touches on an issue I feel very strongly about

Let's use Robert E. Lee as an example. He was a good guy that was fighting for his state. He wasn't a mass murdering dictator like Hitler. What would be the point of taking down a statue of Lee?

Nope.

Arnold was a traitor against his country. People like Lee stayed loyal to his state the whole war. Totally different.

the south should just be happy I was not in charge after the war.... we would have a much different nation today, albeit a better one for most, but not the racist Jim Crow folks... they would have been exiled and stripped of citizenship and their land given away to their slaves.

Back then which state you belonged to could be just as important as your country. Should Lee have betrayed his state?

the state betrayed the nation - if one follows the state, then one is a traitor.

Where does the Constitution say that?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/74/700

The point would be that he was a traitor to the state.

I'll take a different angle. If you had to choose between your family or strangers, whom would you fight for?

Its not quite the same. Its mkre along the lines of, you have sworn yourself to your country but your family goes full rebel. Who do you choose? Your country or your rebelling family?

That was a choice people back then had to make. I feel like I could make parallels to the War for Independence. Not saying trying to split from the US was the right choice, but it may not have been the wrong one. Not everybody in the South fought for slavery.

"That was a choice people back then had to make"

You don't say...

"but it may not have been the wrong one"

Hmm

"Not everybody in the South fought for slavery"

Maybe, but the South in and of itself fought for the Preservation of Slavery

"The only thing they do is glorify traitors to America and Slavers."

Just goes to show you don't actually understand the civil war.

*Cough* No *Cough*

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

You replied to the wrong person.

^^^Not even an American

^^^Not even real person

Also did you miss the "We Germans" Part? This fact is stated withon my Comment making yours redundant and odd

Republicans and Yankees owned slaves too. And was legal for awhile post civil war.

The meme only makes sense from a public school faux history perspective.

Like Toto “missing” the rains down in Africa relies on not knowing the song lyrics.

But the Democrats can do no wrong according to you.

Where have I ever said or implied such nonsense? (Spoiler: nowhere)

You are defending your wretched party

The "emancipation proclamation" freed absolutely nobody. It was a mandate issued to a foreign, sovereign nation. It did not apply to the UNION of which there were at the time FIVE slave states. Not until December 1865, well after Lincoln had been sadly assassinated did the USA abolish slavery in all states.

So yeah, pointing out error that the Lincoln Republicans "freed the slaves" does not make me a democrat. Lincoln also gave us a big bloated centralized Federal government that we conservatives are not fond of.

The CSA had no rights of being a "sovereign" nation.

Whether or not you or I support their independence, the fact is that they were an independent, sovereign nation.

of course they did, silly. They legally and peacefully seceded from the Union and formed their own country. It would have ended there had the Union vacated the southern states they were trespassing in. When they didn't, they had to be forcibly removed and poof... The War of Northern Aggression began.

Quit rewriting history.

What do you mean of course they did? Do you understand the US Constitution? No state has the right to succeed.

No colony had the right to declare independence from the British Empire, either.

Of course I understand the US Constitution. It's patently clear that you don't like all liberals (and you're acting like one now).

States DID and DO have the right to secede. Read you history and Federalist papers. Each state is a sovereign entity (the main reason the Civil War was fought, but you probably imagine it was slavery) who collectively and specifically grant limited powers to the Federal government.

Thanks to Lincoln, the damage was done and the Government reversed things, stealing power from the states.

Pay attention.

If you like being ignorant... knock yourself out. Every time you post that nonsense we just laugh at you and feel bad that our school system is so poor.

School system teaches the myths you believe, not historical truth.

claiming anything else is just bullshit

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

False.

ALL states have the right to secede, always have. In fact there was serious discussion in California about seceding after Trump was elected.

GOD would please stop talking.. You are making the world that much dumber.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/74/700

Looks like Germany post ww2 lel

Yeah, it worked well for those southern states right? They could secede so much that it cost them their way of life. I hope california tries it. They really need a thinning.

So, if someone wants independence, they should be forced back at the point of a bayonet/gun?

I thought only Texas has the right to secede?

stfu... 'war of northern agression'.... freaking moron...https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

Facts are facts. Sorry you cannot handle the truth.

Correct as I said previously.

Union was trespassing in CSA territory and refused to leave peacefully thus starting the aggression.

jfc... let me guess, you home schooled?

Yes. It went with SC when they legally seceded.

And nope, not home schooled. Just intelligent student of history, not spin.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/74/700

Yes, you should hide your face in shame. Supreme Court gets things wrong all the time (see Roe v Wade, Obamacare, and Same Sex Marriage)

Not me... the Founding Fathers. Guess you were against the colonists seceding from Britain too, eh?

Besides, the Supreme Court was a part of the USA. The CSA was no longer part of the USA having legally seceded and formed their own country. They were not under the Constitution any longer as was their right to decide.

So like the Emancipation Proclamation freed absolutely zero people, an order from the Supreme Court to a foreign country had no bearing whatever.

#CommonSense

The USA was acting just like mainland China toward Taiwan or Arab nations toward Israel in ignoring law and refusing to recognize the legal entity known as the CSA.

I am not even remotely a democrat.. I've a very right wing conservative. Seems my pointing out facts of history has confused you.

There were also black slave owners, not to mention native american slave owners. (They were apparently quite fond of the practice.)

jfc you are some piece of work... people like you need to be tied, beaten and made to work for free your whole life...

You're one of those who doesn't like facts, eh?

I didn't know that the Abolitionist party owned slaves? Who

Who mentioned the Abolitionist party?

That's what the Republican party was numb nuts.

Incorrect. Nice try. Slavery was in the north too.

You have no clue to the Republican Platform during Lincoln's campaign

Okie doke

The Republicans were founded as an anti-slavery party (although I wouldn't be surprised if some did own slaves, anyway).