I don't have a problem with Ariel being portrayed as a black girl because I don't give a damn about Disney or their princesses. That being said...

The problem I have is the agenda the extreme left has with pushing for racial minorities and feminism on us and ruining the story in most cases. Ghostbusters is a good example of Hollywood trying too hard to portray themselves as PC, so much so that it ruins the story, the characters, and in Ghostbuster's case, the comedy. There wasn't a funny moment in that movie. It was more cringy than anything. I can't stand it when comedy becomes unfunny because of PC culture.

The next move is turning 007 James Bond into a black woman. This is a blatant PC push to basically make all iconic white men and even white women in some cases, obsolete. Again, I don't have a problem with minorities in movies. Hell, one of my favorite comedies is Friday with all black characters. I just hate the PC push that's ruining comedy and movies.

They made 007 a separate entity from James Bond. That's upsetting enough.

I think wanting to replace the main character in a classical European fairy tale with someone who isn't European is much weirder than the female-Ghostbusters, or a black female Bond, or a female Dr. Who... especially since Disney already HAS an excellent movie with a black princess - The Princess and the Frog.

The Doctor is an alien who is well-established as being able to change his appearance, so that alone isn't that upsetting to me.

I'm not as familiar with Ghostbusters or James Bond, but yes, that's PC culture ruining well-established story lines/universes, and ruining comedy.

" main character in a classical European fairy tale with someone who isn't European"

In the original story from the 1800s she was /GREEN/

The little mermaid wasn't green=> "...her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea; but, like all the others, she had no feet, and her body ended in a fish’s tail."
Changing the ethnicity of the characters is cultural appropriation, is it not?

Oh wait

Considering it was translated from Dutch to English, the original meaning taken in context would be "rose petal". It doesn't make sense that she would be green and still trick a prince into thinking she was human.

She got transformed into a Human. As a Mermaid she was Green. And in the Original version she got to walk around feeling like she was getting stabbed in the legs and would die and dissipate into sea foam if she couldn't marry the Prince, which she fails to do and dies and becomes a ghost that is supposed to help sailors for 300 years before ascending to heaven. So you can see a lot got cut out during the 1950s remake we all know and love today.

I'm not taking the quote from a movie. It's from the original story by HCA. Where does it say she was green? If you're assuming all fish are green, you may be a racist :3

"...her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes... "

Me too

Lol, I SAID the 90s! ;-)

I suppose she was less intolerable back then lol

lol

Or at least more about entertainment than social justice.

True, she had no problems with Ted Danson in blackface back then lol

Well Moana is Hawaiin, Pocahontos is native, Mulan is asian I believe, as far as mermaids go, they can be pretty much any race being as they don't exhist. Wait till you hear the rumour of the next Bond, you're gonna shit yourself. Also not a real person but based on an ideal.

Moana and Tiana are fictional characters as well. By your logic, it isn't necessary for them to be non-white as well.

Pocahontas was a real person, and Mulan is a legend, but those movies are well-known to be egregiously historically inaccurate.

The Little Mermaid is a Danish fairy tale written by Hans Christian Anderson. The animated movie takes place in Europe and all the characters are white. Why should their races be changed?

If people want a black live-action princess, why not simply make a live-action Princess and the Frog? Or introduce a new black princess?

GOOD GOSH NO MORE LIVE ACTION DISNEY REMAKES, PLEASE.

I can't wait!

Will "she" still smell like Teen Spirit?

No, The Little Mermaid is a classical European fairy tale. Ethnicity absolutely does matter if the story has an implied geographic location and time period. It would make zero sense to depict Anna and Elsa, or Merida as black, even though they are entirely fictional.

Likewise, it would make zero sense for Moana to be played by a white girl as the setting is implied to be the south Pacific long before European contact.

Mulan is only a legend, but nevertheless a CHINESE legend, therefore, it makes zero sense to depict her as anything other than Chinese.

"No, The Little Mermaid is a classical European fairy tale."

Where she was /GREEN/, died and became a ghost who went around and helped sailors for the next 300 years. The Little mermaid we know today first came into existence in /1950s/ in /America/.

The little mermaid was NOT green => "...her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea; but, like all the others, she had no feet, and her body ended in a fish’s tail." She is also described as pale throughout the story.
Changing the ethnicity is cultural appropriation. It also denies credit to the original author, who was a WHITE man.

"She is also described as pale throughout the story."

And before I forget

"rose-leaf"

Translated to English from Dutch. The context would be "rose petal". How can she trick a prince into thinking she was human if she was green?

Yeah, how about we keep our discussion to one Comment thread? Seems kinda redundand

Look at the context--"skin was as clear and as delicate as a rose-leaf". It does not say she was the color of a rose-leaf. What color do you think "clear" skin is?

" It does not say she was the color of a rose-leaf."

It also doesn't say she was White, black, red or yellow.

"What color do you think "clear" skin is"

Also clear skin is unfortunately for you not a color

“Exactly, so what does it matter if she’s black?”

It would be atrocious if Ariel were played by an obese black girl. The original story doesn’t give the characters names either. Why not give the little mermaid and her sisters black girl names? Why not their dad be called King Tyrone? At that point it would basically be a Todrick Hall parody.

“Maybe. But it certainly gives us a hint.”

No it doesn’t. Find me a pre-Disney adaptation/illustration in which she is clearly depicted as having GREEN SKIN as a mermaid, and I will concede that your claim isn’t asinine. If no animator/illustrator has ever depicted her with green skin, then it suggests that it’s probably just YOU who’s interpreting it that way.

“But is the little mermaid a European? No. Shes a Mermaid. A fictional species.”

So white girls can play Indian nagas in an Indian fairy tale/mythological movie? No, people would be mad about that and accuse the studio of whitewashing their culture.

Many people were mad that the actress who played Jasmine in the live-action Aladdin wasn’t Arab.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/princess-jasmine-actress-controversy
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2017/07/disneys-failure-find-arab-princess-jasmine-aladdin-shows-dire-state-diversity#amp

By your logic, Maui in Moana can be played by Jacob Sartorious or Jason Bateman or Jim Parsons. Leftists had no problem with Idris Elba playing the Norse god Heimdall in Thor.

And they certainly have no problem with people of color playing the Founding Fathers in Hamilton, even though they were indisputably white historical figures.

If that’s acceptable, then what argument is there against, say, Justin Timberlake playing MLK, or Leslie Jones playing Britney Spears?

“”There are 14 official princesses; 5 are non-white, or about one-third”

And your point is....?”

You’re making it sound like blacks are victims and Disney has given them zero representation up to this point.

And nothing is stopping black people from starting their own studios, and making their own movies anyway, such as the cartoon series from the 90s that NonDescript posted.

“Same reason why the gaming industry just basically reuses games. Nostalgia and its easier to make cause the story is already there”

So laziness and pandering.

If Ariel can be black, then black people have zero room to get upset if Tiana is changed to white.

"It would be atrocious if Ariel were played by an obese black girl. The original story doesn’t give the characters names either. Why not give the little mermaid and her sisters black girl names? Why not their dad be called King Tyrone? At that point it would basically be a Todrick Hall parody."

But none of that is happening now is it?

"then it suggests that it’s probably just YOU who’s interpreting it that way."

Hmm, perhaps. Or Perhaps the original author imagined the Mermaid to be green and its you who is interpreting things?

"So white girls can play Indian nagas in an Indian fairy tale/mythological movie? "

Its not Human now is it?

"Many people were mad that the actress who played Jasmine in the live-action Aladdin wasn’t Arab."

Well that different. Jasmine is a Human and should be portrayed accordingly. Ariel on the the other hand is a fictional species.

"You’re making it sound like blacks are victims and Disney has given them zero representation up to this point."

Oh my. One Black princess. wuw. Its true they have some representation. But some representation doesn't mean enough. Maybe a few more new princesses could help. Altho now that I think about it you'll probably just say Disney is pandering to Black audiences by making a new black princess

"And nothing is stopping black people from starting their own studios, and making their own movies anyway"

However a startup such as the one you are suggesting would probably be baught up by Disney if they are successful or just fail due to lacking the reach Disney has.

"So laziness and pandering."

Just laziness but yeah

" then black people have zero room to get upset if Tiana is changed to white."

Well Tiana is a Human now isn't she?

"clear and delicate" are not colors but quality. Clear skin is skin without blemishes like acne. Delicate means fragile. They are not describing the color of the rose leaf but the quality and texture.
You're making the same mistake that some people make when saying Jesus was black because he had hair like wool. The bible says "hair white like wool"-- describing the color, not the texture.

"They are not describing the color of the rose leaf but the quality and texture."

Yeah. Seems like a likely story

ColonelGylbert You are an imbecile. How would the plot make sense if she had green skin? How would she be able to make the prince think she was a human if her skin was any shade of green?

In the 1975 Japanese version she's still depicted as white, even though it was made by a foreign studio in a non-white country 14 years before the Disney version
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070326/

I suppose Ariel's daughter Melody can be played by Laverne Cox in the sequel because it's 2019.

As dbquacken9887 has said, this is being done for no purpose other than pandering, and so that Disney can appear woke and PC. Absolutely no black people were upset about Ariel being white.

"ColonelGylbert You are an imbecile. How would the plot make sense if she had green skin?"

As a Mermaid she was green, the she got transformed into a Human. Duh

"In the 1975 Japanese version"

And I am talking about the original

" Absolutely no black people were upset about Ariel being white."

But absolutely all white people are upset that she is Black ;)

"As a Mermaid she was green, the she got transformed into a Human. Duh"

I haven't found any illustrations or adaptations in which she's depicted as having green skin, and I've found no sources clarifying that the story indeed said she had green skin. As christine7 has explained, you're making the same mistake as people who assert that Jesus was black.

"But absolutely all white people are upset that she is Black ;)"

Because it's a classical European story. We have every right to be. Many black people got bent out of shape when Tiana's appearance was changed slightly in Wreck It Ralph.
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/disney-reanimates-princess-princess-tiana-wreck-it-ralph-2-lightening-skin-color-1202006386/
https://www.polygon.com/2018/9/25/17900630/princess-tiana-wreck-it-ralph-2-controversy

The actress who will be playing Ariel, Halle Bailey, still appears to be the same body type as the animated Ariel. If race doesn't matter, why does weight matter? Why can't Ariel be an obese black girl?

As I've said, this is being done for no purpose other than pandering and for Disney to appear woke and PC.

"As christine7 has explained, you're making the same mistake as people who assert that Jesus was black."

If you can find a line in the original where she is explicitly stated to be white as a mermaid I will coincide my point

"I haven't found any illustrations or adaptations in which she's depicted as having green skin"

"her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf"

http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html

"Because it's a classical European story."

But the little mermaid isn't European now is she? For all we know Merfolk are actually all pink

"We have every right to be."

So if black people jump out of a window will you also have the right to jump out of a window? I suppose yes

"As I've said, this is being done for no purpose other than pandering and for Disney to appear woke and PC."

Well, yes. Having one more Black princess is good, when compared to the ninety-nine other white Princesses.

"That line that describes her skin to hold the qualities of a rose leaf."

Qualities, yes, but not color. Again, please provide a source clarifying that HCA did indeed intend for her to be green.

""Is it ok for whites to play humanoid mythical creatures from non-white cultures?"

Sure."

But if that were done, people of color would be upset about it, and rightfully so. So it shouldn't be done to European humanoid mythical creatures either.

"Well obviously as a Human, she should be white. It would only make sense. As a mermaid it doesn't really matter"

Ariel transforming from black to white in addition to transforming from mermaid to human would look like the movie is overtly trying to imply that being black isn't pretty enough to get the prince to like her. I'm not remotely attracted to black girls, but that would be a REALLY BAD message to give to young black girls. Ariel should be white as both a mermaid and a human, as she has been iconically depicted by Disney for 30 years, and has been depicted in every pre-Disney adaptation/illustration.

"I thaught its our job to call you guys Racist when running out of arguments? I was thinking that such a studio would fail, not becauae its black, but because Disney would buy it out, if it lools profitable, juat lile they've done with Star Wars and what not. Do show me where I explicitly said they would fail because they are black. I hope you know that this attempt of yours is a strawman?"

Your argument is implying that white-founded/owned studios making movies for blacks is just something they HAVE to do. It's essentially a form of the White Man's Burden. Disney has given a great deal of representation to black people over the decades, even though it ultimately owes them nothing. If black people so greatly desire to have their stories told, then they need to be more ambitious and proactive about doing so. You're creating an excuse for them not to try, and work hard.

"Qualities, yes, but not color."

Well skin colour is a quality

"Again, please provide a source clarifying that HCA did indeed intend for her to be green."

See thats all I am basing this on. Its a weak argument. But its the Hill I'll die on

"But if that were done, people of color would be upset about it, and rightfully so. So it shouldn't be done to European humanoid mythical creatures either."

That doesn't matter to the principle of the thing

"Ariel transforming from black to white in addition to transforming from mermaid to human would look like the movie is overtly trying to imply that being black isn't pretty enough to get the prince to like her. I'm not remotely attracted to black girls, but that would be a REALLY BAD message to give to young black girls."

Oh. I didn't think of it that way. Giess she gets to be black the entire Movie. But I struggle to inderstand how that would work due to the racism floating around in the 1800s or whenever the movie is taking place.

"Your argument is implying that white-founded/owned studios making movies for blacks is just something they HAVE to do."

Again. Its not your job to call me a racist. Thats our steryotyp!

Any way thats absolutely not true, what your doing is very simply wilful misinterpretation. Disney should do it because A) They have a wider reach, B) Simply are bigger than Nick and C) own the rights to Ariel.

"Disney has given a great deal of representation to black people over the decades"

One character is not "a Great deal of representation"

Already shuffling all nonwhites under black are we now hmmm?(Jk. I don't do Strawmen like you do)

"You're creating an excuse for them not to try, and work hard."

Thats the stupidest thing I've heard today and the day has yet to start so I shall not dignify it with any significant response.

"If you can find a line in the original where she is explicitly stated to be white as a mermaid I will coincide my point"

It doesn't say she's thin either. Why does the actress need to be the same body type if race doesn't matter? Why wasn't Gabourey Sidibe selected for the role?

""her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf"" That doesn't say that her skin WAS green. That's clearly a simile describing the quality of her skin; not color. And rose leaves start out burgundy and then change to dark green as they get older.

"So if black people jump out of a window will you also have the right to jump out of a window? I suppose yes" What a dumb analogy. You think it's acceptable for black people to get upset because of a minor change in appearance when a 2-d animated character is recreated in CGI, but it's NOT acceptable for white people to get upset when the main character in a classical European fairy tale, who has always been depicted as white, is changed to a non-white actress for no purpose other than pandering and to appear woke and PC.

"Well, yes. Having one more Black princess is good, when compared to the ninety-nine other white Princesses."

There are 14 official Princesses; 5 are non-white, or about one-third.

Disney already has an excellent movie with a black princess - The Princess and the Frog. Wanting more black princesses is completely fine; why can't they just introduce new black princesses?

"It doesn't say she's thin either."

Exactly. So what does it matter if shes black?

"That doesn't say that her skin WAS green."

Maybe. But it certainly gives us a hint.

"What a dumb analogy"

My point was that just cause some people do something stupid doesn't mean that you have to do like they did.

"classical European fairy tale"

But is the little mermaid a European? No. Shes a Mermaid. A fictional species.

"There are 14 official Princesses; 5 are non-white, or about one-third."

And your point is....?

"Disney already has an excellent movie with a black princess - The Princess and the Frog"

Yeah. Good point

"why can't they just introduce new black princesses?"

Same reason why the gaming industry just basically reuses games. Nostalgia and its easier to make cause the story is already there

"Again. I am not arguing that she was Green pre-Disney. I am Arguing that in the earliest iteration she was Green. Or atleast during her time as a mermaid she had never been refered to as white and we have a strong hint that she was green."

Yeah, I'm not going to take your word for it. Please provide an authoritative source on literature clarifying that Hans Christian Anderson did indeed intend for her to be depicted with green skin as a mermaid.

"We exclude Deities, Historical Figures, Humans, Humans from Mythological stories and Religous figures from the rule. So perhaps Centaurs or Goblins or Elves or Mermaids could be played or voiced by blacks"

Why are characters from myths off-limits, but not characters from classical fairy tales? How is that distinction not arbitrary? And you only mention European mythical creatures. Is it ok for whites to play humanoid mythical creatures from non-white cultures?

And your argument would suggest that Ariel SHOULD be played by a white girl as a human.

"I actually don't know what you are talking about"

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1823664/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nasLuiP-1E0

"Maybe, but I highly doubt they won't be baught up by Disney."

BET is owned by Viacom, which also owns Nickelodeon. They would probably be successful at starting an animation studio. Your assertion that a black animation studio is doomed to fail sounds like the soft bigotry of low expectations. You think that blacks must perpetually have white people help them tell their stories.

"Yeah, I'm not going to take your word for it. Please provide an authoritative source on literature clarifying that Hans Christian Anderson did indeed intend for her to be depicted with green skin as a mermaid."

That line that describes her skin to hold the qualities of a rose leaf.

"Why are characters from myths off-limits, but not characters from classical fairy tales?"

Humans, not Characters. There is a small, subtle but important diffrence.

"Is it ok for whites to play humanoid mythical creatures from non-white cultures?"

Sure.

"And your argument would suggest that Ariel SHOULD be played by a white girl as a human."

Well obviously as a Human, she should be white. It would only make sense. As a mermaid it doesn't really matter

"Your assertion that a black animation studio is doomed to fail"

I thaught its our job to call you guys Racist when running out of arguments? I was thinking that such a studio would fail, not becauae its black, but because Disney would buy it out, if it lools profitable, juat lile they've done with Star Wars and what not. Do show me where I explicitly said they would fail because they are black. I hope you know that this attempt of yours is a strawman?

"But none of that is happening now is it?"

My point is that changing the race of an established character in a well-known story really only works for comedic purposes.

"Hmm, perhaps. Or Perhaps the original author imagined the Mermaid to be green and its you who is interpreting things?"

Yeah, your claim is bullshit. Please back it up with a pre-Disney depiction in which she clearly has green skin as a mermaid, or an authoritative source on literature clarifying that she did indeed have green skin in the original story.

"Its not Human now is it?"

So then you would agree there's no argument against, say, Maui in Moana being played by Jacob Sartorious, Jason Bateman, Jim Parsons, or perhaps Warwick Davis?

And you would agree that there's no argument against white people playing deities and humanoid mythical creatures from non-white cultures? You would agree that black people would have no room to get mad if African gods were played by blond-haired blue-eyed white people?

"Well that different. Jasmine is a Human and should be portrayed accordingly. Ariel on the the other hand is a fictional species."

So then you would certainly agree that white people have every right to get mad about the indisputably white historical figures in Hamilton being played by people of color?

And you would agree it was wrong for Annie to be portrayed by a black girl in the 2014 remake?

"But some representation doesn't mean enough."

So how much representation will be enough? At what point will Disney have atoned for its racial sins?

"However a startup such as the one you are suggesting would probably be baught up by Disney if they are successful or just fail due to lacking the reach Disney has."

BET or OWN could probably start such a studio and be successful.

"My point is that changing the race of an established character in a well-known story really only works for comedic purposes."

Perhaps

"Please back it up with a pre-Disney depiction "

Again. I am not arguing that she was Green pre-Disney. I am Arguing that in the earliest iteration she was Green. Or atleast during her time as a mermaid she had never been refered to as white and we have a strong hint that she was green.

"And you would agree that there's no argument against white people playing deities and humanoid mythical creatures from non-white cultures?"

*Sigh*

So how about this: We exclude Deities, Historical Figures, Humans, Humans from Mythological stories and Religous figures from the rule. So perhaps Centaurs or Goblins or Elves or Mermaids could be played or voiced by blacks

"And you would agree it was wrong for Annie to be portrayed by a black girl in the 2014 remake?"

I actually don't know what you are talking about

"So how much representation will be enough? At what point will Disney have atoned for its racial sins?"

Idk, but one is defiently too low. I mean its good, but perhaps a couple more.

"BET or OWN could probably start such a studio and be successful."

Maybe, but I highly doubt they won't be baught up by Disney.

Why change the race of a fictional character, like The Little Mermaid, If it doesn't matter?

There goes your whole argument.

why not?

Yeah, Why not.There's no reason to stop SJW's like you from destroying classic fairy tales.

The classic fairy tale you are referring to casted the little mermaid /Green/

So what you're saying is Disney is racist towards green people. Got it.

Upvote to that

Get your tickets now.

It's only a matter of time until you do, It's what you've done after you've lost every debate we've ever had.

Look at you all triggered, And struggling as usual.

got it.

I knew it all along, It's in your German blood.