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I mean come on, with how many wives this guy has had he doesn't know how Abortion works by now?

I mean come on, with how many wives this guy has had he doesn't know how Abortion works by now? | THE BABY IS BORN, THE MOTHER MEETS WITH THE DOCTOR, THEY TAKE CARE OF THE BABY, THEY WRAP THE BABY BEAUTIFULLY; AND THEN THE DOCTOR AND THE MOTHER DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL EXECUTE THE BABY; I DIDN'T THINK ANYONE COULD TOP ME IN TERMS OF STUPID SPEECHES.  GOOD THING I HELD YOUR BEER FOR YA, DONNIE. | image tagged in dubya laugh,big mouth trump,donald trump,abortion,execution,sam elliott special kind of stupid | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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3 ups, 6y,
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2 ups, 6y
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4 ups, 6y,
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VA Governor Ralph Northman

"This is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved. When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of the mother, with the consent of physicians, more than one physician by the way, and it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus which is non-viable. So in this particular example, if the mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if this is what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physician and the mother."

Key section : So in this particular example, if the mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if this is what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physician and the mother."

1. The infant is delivered
2. The infant would be kept comfortable
3. Then a discussion with the doctor and mother would occur.

The discussion is obviously about whether or not to kill the baby.
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2 ups, 6y,
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Trump deliberately chose poor wording to rile people up. He made zero mention of any of the details of the bill. The discussion is not about execution, it’s about whether to keep resuscitating or letting the child die to keep it from continued pain. If a baby is born, even if it is doomed to die a minute later, as long as that baby can take a single breath it is still legitimate murder to kill a child outside of the womb.

A man got several life sentences for doing so. Gosnell I believe, Was killing babies that were already crying, one in the toilet, and even one that was delivered before the abortion procedure started. He was one sick bastard.
3 ups, 6y,
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Thanks for your biased take as well. Anyone comparing the Nothman and Trump quotes can clearly see they are saying the same three things:

1. The infant is delivered
2. The infant would be kept comfortable
3. Then a discussion with the doctor and mother would occur.

But in your mind, only one politician is responsible for the outrage, and somehow it's the not the politician who supporting infanticide.
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2 ups, 6y,
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Biased huh?

I must have Missed the part where Northam said anything about execution in his speech. But since Trump said it that must mean northam said it as well right?

The only thing that is biased here is your speculation on what conversation goes on between a mother and a doctor.
3 ups, 6y,
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Northman: the infant would be resuscitated if this is what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physician and the mother."

The discussion with the mother is about ending the baby's life. This is obvious. Further, a day after their comments, Northman doubled down, then his spokesman said he "the governor was referring to a situation in which a baby is born with severe deformations"

Again, your being willfully biased to ignore what Northman's said.

Too bad for you, it's recorded forever, same with Kathy Tran's words
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2 ups, 6y
Northam said nothing about physically executing a child. Donald trump implied physical execution by a motion of decapitation.

Letting a child die to end their suffering and killing them outright with your own hands are two different things. When someone pulls the plug on their comatose spouse or family member, are they committing murder in your opinion as well?

A situation in which a baby is born with severe deformations, such as missing vital organs that they’ll die without, being born brain dead, being born with little to no brain at all, being born with undeveloped lungs etc. Situations where the child will die before or shortly after birth. Or when you think of that term do you simply mean missing an arm, being born blind, having a scar, a hunchback, mental retardation, or autism?

And if the latter is the case, Do you really think so many women are so vile as to kill their child because of something like that?

Once again, it’s illegal to kill a child after they take their first breath outside of the mother’s body as per the Born Alive infants protection act of 2002. People are serving time for doing so as we speak. So are you saying that abortion doctors and parents are breaking the law alongside “executing” a child too?
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2 ups, 6y,
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What northam said is absolutely not true. It is a fact that it is not true. Research. Lies. Not only thst but doctors MUST follow the hipocratic oath. This is no where near that oath. Is Northam doctor? No he is not. He's a politician playing to a dumbass base. Are you one of those dumbasses? Don't answer, I already know.
5 ups, 6y,
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Northman is speaking to the legal outline of the bill and what it allows for. That's what we are discussing, wait perhaps you missed what we are talking about, after all your eyes are sewn shut.

We are discussing what the BILL ALLOWS FOR.
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2 ups, 6y,
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Not true.
4 ups, 6y,
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All of your subsequent post cite other laws, not the law in question. I understand what your doing and it makes legal sense, but you're avoiding the language of the Virgina law, and the comments made by the Northman's and the Bill's sponsor

Also Northman is a physician and was a medical officer in the Army. So i am not sure where read that Northman was not a doctor.

Thank God this awful legislation was denied.
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2 ups, 6y,
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Well just sleep tight tonight knowing it is not a real thing. I am pro choice, and even I know it is not a real thing, thst is not how we roll.
4 ups, 6y,
1 reply
The intent was real.
5 ups, 6y,
3 replies
The intent of the Bill had nothing to do with "woman's rights".

You can't claim that this is about instilling fear. The bill as written Democrats, explained by Governor and Doctor Northman, and defended by the Bill's sponsor has all been documented was the problem.

The only reason this bill didn't pass is because of the Republican controlled Congress in VA shot it down.
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2 ups, 6y,
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Trump’s inflammatory words are part of a larger movement. At an especially contentious time in the abortion debate, opponents of the procedure have focused their attention on abortions that happen late in pregnancy. In some cases, they’re implying that laws allowing later abortions make it legal to kill a baby after birth (they do not).

Such claims began to proliferate in January, after Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam made some confusing comments about an abortion bill in his state. Abortion opponents claimed his comments were an endorsement of infanticide. They argued that babies are sometimes born alive after failed abortions that happen late in pregnancy, and that they are then “left to die” or even executed by doctors.

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“The governor stated that he would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world,” Trump told a crowd in El Paso, Texas, in February, “and wrap the baby, and make the baby comfortable, and then talk to the mother and talk to the father and then execute the baby.”

Abortion rights advocates and abortion providers have responded to rhetoric like this by saying that the case of a baby born after a failed abortion is so rare as to be essentially unheard of, and that if that did happen, doctors would care for the baby like any other patient. But the debate continues, so I reached out to a doctor who provides abortions for an in-depth explanation of what abortions late in pregnancy actually look like, and how the picture painted by Trump and others compares to reality.

Dr. Kristyn Brandi is a New Jersey OB-GYN with fellowship training in family planning, and a board member of Physicians for Reproductive Health. As a doctor, she delivers babies and cares for pregnant women, and also performs abortions. She told me that because of today’s legal requirements for abortion procedures, it’s essentially impossible for a baby to be born alive after a failed abortion, and that equating late abortion with infanticide is insulting to patients, many of whom are grieving the end of a much-wanted pregnancy.

Trump and others describe “late-term abortion” (which, Brandi explains, is not a medically accurate term) as something that can happen at 40 weeks’ gestation, even when a woman is in labor.
4 ups, 6y
This is absurd "Trump's inflammatory words"?

His words are basically a restatement of Northman.

You then later state the Northman's words are not inflammatory but "confusing". This is obviously biased.

This was a Democrat Bill, it was a Democrat Governor who stated a scenario under the bill that Trump repeated. Northman then doubled down on the claim a day later.

You don't get to shit the bed and then blame the dog.
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2 ups, 6y,
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I really need to learn links but whatevs.
4 ups, 6y
Don't know what links are or what you mean by links I should say
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2 ups, 6y
Fyi, I didnt write that, I got that from a journalist, as you like to call fake news. Doesn't really matter does it?, you're gonna see it your way, I'm gonna research, google read up on verying ideals, get the facts and learn for myself. I know it is not a real thing. I will sleep well.
3 ups, 6y,
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Your rights (the mother) end where my nose (the baby) begins
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2 ups, 6y,
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Your opinion.
3 ups, 6y
no, a common principle of justice, one's rights end where another's begin.
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2 ups, 6y,
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None of your f**kin business anyhow what a woman chooses to do. Unless it was your baby, you don't get a say either way. Her choice.
4 ups, 6y
None of your f*kin business to summarily deny the rights of the baby.
Non-brain damaged people don't think it's OK to choose to kill someone else.
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2 ups, 6y
*this
2 ups, 6y
He said your eyes were sewn shut.

The pain must have been painful from that stupendiflerous taunt.
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2 ups, 6y
I'll just leave this here,

Cases of late-term abortions, which are uncommon, involve either a pregnancy that poses an immediate threat to the life of the mother, or infants with abnormalities so severe that they are unlikely to live more than a few days. In the even rarer situations when the baby emerges alive, parents would decide whether to ask their doctors to make any and all efforts to keep breathing.

Medical researchers describe this as a decision whether to resuscitate the baby. Trump cast this as a decision whether to execute it.

By practice and law, living infants receive care.

"This is a clear-cut concept that we can all agree upon," Gretchen Ely, an associate professor at the University of Buffalo’s School of Social Work and a board member for Social Workers for Reproductive Justice told us in February. "The notion that anyone supports executing infants after birth is preposterous."
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2 ups, 6y
Since Roe V Wade, how many thalidamide babies have bin born?... all of them. Have you ever seen a thalidamide baby? I have met and seen many. Were the bullshit case you're talking about, there would be no thalidamide babies.
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2 ups, 6y
FYI thalidamides were born post roe v wade. Most were givin uo because families could not or would not deal with the lifetime of treatments.
1 up, 6y
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