Immigrants and illegals take away America's vote

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

Meanwhile in the real world - https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article229581259.html

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-trumps-repeated-fabrications-on-voting-fraud

Swinging at a imaginary ball doesn't mean any more wen you do it, than it does when Trump does.

That article is speculative, not definitive. And it in no way proves that democrats are using millions of illegal immigrants vote.

Some commit voter fraud. And they've been caught for it.

No, it is a scientific study rather than speculation, and thus is enough to offer the proof that was asked for about illegals voting.

My meme said "Democrats use illegals and dead people to vote".

Perhaps you should read it all next time.

A scientific study that ends with "likely" and "probably" is not definitive. That article wouldn't be worth crap in a court case.

Perhaps you should drop the out of context quotes. That end is with the illegal voting swinging an election, not illegals voting in general. So you have utterly failed to prove your own point and insulted me based of a falsehood that you created.

"So you have utterly failed to prove your own point and insulted me based of a falsehood that you created."

This is standard for this clown.

You’re one to talk, twisty.

Guy, someone else on this site just accused you of the same thing I accused you of not even 24hrs prior. There seems to be a trend here.

Dude you took two completely different statements I made, combined them into a new statement to make it look like I said something I didn’t say at all.

Get outta here with your “strength in numbers” bullshit.

It's okay little girl. I'm sure I will catch you doing it again, and I will be sure to point it out Everytime you invent phantom arguments or Everytime you move the goalpost to defend a debunked narrative.

Not my fault you didn't read everything. I stated exactly what I meant and I could care less if you took it an entirely different way.

The statement involved democrats being more than just a choice illegals made out of interest, it involved democrats somehow influencing illegals themselves through deals etc. or performing various schemes in order to get more illegals or dead people to vote for them. I never once said illegal immigrants do not vote and even said that to you in my first response which I'm guessing you didn't read as well.

Illegal immigrants aren't the only ones that commit voter fraud either. Shocking I know.

Democrats aren't making illegals vote for them, nor are they using the information of dead people to get them more votes. There's nothing that proves the contrary, not even your little article.

Oh I read the whole thing, so you are going to stick to your lie, deny the truth, and insult me for cover.

Dems are big on sanctuary cities and amnesty for illegals to get votes while opposing measures that would prevent fraud. This does influence votes but nice of you to move the goalpost to "force" and say other fraud exists even though that doesn't cancel out illegals voting dem.

On dead people voting I cannot fid much specifically, but here is some https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/voter-fraud-database-tops-1000-proven-cases

I didn’t lie, you just twisted the interpretation in order to form an argument. I didn’t say you couldn’t read by the way, I said that you didn’t read. If you still want to take that as an insult, well, I don’t really care.

And it’s funny how you say i mentioned “force”. Please tell me where? Are you referring to the work “make”? Making someone do something is not always done with force. It can be done with bribery, deals, threats, incentives, etc.

Some illegal immigrants have committed voter fraud, not all. Even if they voted democrat it doesn’t mean a democrat is responsible for it.

Your sanctuary city blame game is amusing. So are you saying that every democrat victory since the sanctuary city movement in the 80’s has been because of illegal immigrants too? Or does it only apply now because of Trump?

No, I read it then after I corrected you, you then lied and said I didn't but looks like you doubling down taking as fact something you have not way of knowing and thus demonstrating bias. You changed the meaning of the study by out of context quoting one part and pretending it applied to another part. Therefor the twisting is yours and you are lying. But nice of you to ignore that and repeat the same thing as if repeating something over and over is proof.

And you convince though deals, bribery, and ect. You make though force, especially if you ant dems to be responsible. Hair splitting doesn't change that, but if you wish to change to encourage that would be fine with me.

And on sanctuary cities, it is not a blame game. It is not a sweeping generalization on why dems win, rather it is the bribery you mentioned above. Nice how quickly you forgot that and other goodies dems dangle to get votes and flip flop between "make" and encourage as it suits you at the time.

No that was you changing context to fit your argument and then throwing accusations at me about what my meme actually meant when I was the one that posted it. You can say I was “using out of context quotes” all you want. Doesn’t mean I was, and I explained that many times. You refuse to accept that and that’s not my problem.

Hair splitting, my ass. This is once again you interpreting something a different way and as a result believing your version is the right one even when I explain mine.

Sanctuary cities are a target. And yes republicans are using it is a blame game. It’s a sour grapes excuse for when democrats win and a punchline joke for when they lose. You’re so full of crap on it being a bribe because it it truly were a bribe Republicans would never win and/or the situation would have been exposed by now. Or are you going to say Soros is brushing it under the rug next? Or perhaps the details are in Hillary’s emails?

Seriously dude, I’ve stopped taking you seriously now.

You and I aren’t going to see eye to eye on this subject. I believe in definitive proof and you believe in whatever the hell you want to believe is truth even if it’s bullshit.

"Non-citizen voting likely changed 2008 outcomes including Electoral College votes and the composition of Congress." Changed to "A scientific study that ends with "likely" and "probably" is not definitive." So you changed the likely from changing the election to illegals voting. QED

As for making, I'm using the reasonable interpretation of the word and you are not as you flip flop back and forth like with your sanctuary cities argument later trying use two standards at once so you can pretend the lower standard has not been meet. I also said it would be OK if you wanted to used a different standards than that the literal meaning of the word, but you ignored that and attacked me instead.

For sanctuary cities the affect doesn't need to be 100% effective to have an affect at all. So you are clearly using a ridiculous goal post in order to ignore possibilities you do not like and then insulting me when I point it out. Thus also shows your two standards as you flip flop back and forth. You also ignored the other goodies that get waved around, mostly by dems.

Dems admit to fraud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0
Given the huge numbers involved, I'd say it is likely that both parties engage in this type of fraud, and to just deny it is basically sticking your head in the sand.

I've grown tired of lengthy responses to you, since it's clearly a waste of time. So I will keep this short.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Your reasonable interpretation and mine are different.

Possibilities and actualities are two different things. Sanctuary cities have existed since the 80's, voter fraud didn't become recognized as a nationwide problem until 2016. Before then there were only small amounts of it done here and there. Why are sanctuary cities suddenly at fault now if there are illegal immigrants all across the country, not just in sanctuary cities.

"Dems admit to fraud" - Just one guy, who just so happens to be a democrat, talking about how voter fraud exists and how people do it. Something I already said exists as well. Thousands, not millions committed voter fraud in the 2016 election. There are about 11 million illegals in the country.

Nothing that shows either party incentivized a fraudulent vote. Nothing that says "If you vote for me i'll give you this". My meme stands, there is no proof.

Good day

I didn't say sanctuary cities where at fault, putting words in my mouth. What you are arguing that because is not a sufficient condition on it's own, then it is not part of a pattern of behavior while ignoring the other behavior.

As I told you stuff like that and other goodies are incentives for illegals to vote dem, on top of that is the stopping of measures to stop fraud, fraudulent registration, https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/18/texas-democrats-ask-noncitizens-register-vote/ The video itself showed how dems action in nyc enabled illegal voting though the law which you ignored and then mischaracterized what was said.

So there is proof given, you ignored it and then claimed it didn't exist.

“And on sanctuary cities, it is not a blame game. It is not a sweeping generalization on why dems win, rather it is the bribery you mentioned above.”

So...this isn’t labeling a sanctuary city as a political tool and saying it’s the reason democrats win?

Your “proof” is being investigated. Once again it is not definitive despite how much you think it is. https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/dems-blast-david-whitley-over-dubious-noncitizen-voter-fraud-claims-11554086

One man does not represent the entirety of democrats either. Funny how that video was taken in 2016 and nothing has happened.

Sanctuary cities are used as a political tool to get votes from the populous in general, not specifically illegals. The pattern of protection and opposing anti-fraud measures, anti-illegal immigration measures, along with supporting benefits for illegals shows a pattern of behavior that would encourage illegals to vote dem, To deny this is basically to ignore that people will vote in their own interest.

The link that you have seem to have used to counter mine seem to be a completely different subject.

And my vote shows how opposing anti-fraud measure encourages illegal voting, which you have ignored once again.

Sure seems like a sweeping generalization to me

*to vote

Your meme infers even legal immigrants shouldn't vote, is that also how you feel?

Dumb, ignorant shit. But, still capable of typing and using a computer.