Matrix Morpheus

Whether or not you want to call an embryo or a fetus a "baby", it is still a living thing being put to death.

And that's the problem, why doesn't it?

A pile of bricks and lumber isn't a living thing, nor is a house.

As we're both aware, I suck at coming up with my own analogies, but I still know what they are and can recognize flawed ones.

A fetus is tiny, therefore it doesn't matter.

Deport a fetus?
Baby it's cold outside.
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hahah a funny abortion joke... not easy to do

Plus it's all gross and looks like a alien.. an illegal alien.
:P

Are you suggesting to deport instead of abort?

How does that work? If having a right to life depends on size, do larger people have more of a right to life than smaller people? Why the heck would or should the size of your body matter??

I'm trolling. You're good.

It doesn't matter. A fetus is human. It has whatever right to live the rest of us do, if not more because it's innocent. It's lack of knowledge only makes it even more innocent.

Don't listen to Octavia. That pos enjoys child suffering and exploitation.

Learn what a euphemism is.

At the end of either process, the person is dead. The larger issue remains- should we kill the innocent or the guilty?

...by killing an innocent human being. Sounds like both sides are forcing something. One pregnancy and the other death on an innocent human being. BTW, the birth ends a pregnancy too.

Outside of rape, no one forced her to get pregnant

"Again...fully developed in the sense that it has been born. An 18-year-old has been born a long time ago.

If location doesn't matter, can you take a one-week-old embryo out of a woman's body and have it survive on its own?"

Location does not change what you are or who you are. Your proposition regarding being born is the moment at which one gains their right to life IS BASED ON LOCATION. The bottom line is that YOU are subjectively making a determination based on YOUR idea as to whether someone lives or dies and that is exactly what the court did in 1857 regarding blacks. The color of their skin determined their worth - or lack there of and you are doing the same regarding the unborn humans. You are an elitist in that YOU are determining - or justifying which humans have worth and which ones don't and when. I believe that ALL humans have intrinsic value, no matter the location, the size, their dependency or their development. Saying that if a human lacks one of these makes them elgible for the trash bin is that of an elitist.

Your proposition regarding being born is the moment at which one gains their right to life IS BASED ON LOCATION."

“Actually it's based on level of development, not location. And I don't recall saying the right to life is gained at the moment of birth. I've already told another user here that I oppose abortion after a certain stage of development (excluding rare circumstances where the mother's life is in danger, etc).”

Why is DEVELOPMENT the standard?? Again, that would apply to 2 year olds and 18 year olds as well. After all – they are not fully developed. So, that fails. Next you will appeal to BEING BORN and THAT is based on LOCATION. If you are saying that one can be killed when…… - that is what your right to life is based on.

The bottom line is that YOU are subjectively making a determination based on YOUR idea

“And you are doing the exact same thing. Your position on this issue is based on your own subjective standards of value and worth.”

Actually my position is based on objective moral law. That law is that it is immoral to kill innocent human beings without proper justification. Your justification is improper. Your position is that we can kill human beings because they aren’t fully developed. Please read my earlier response to this – it reaches too far. Human equality can only be based on one thing which we all share equally. Is it size, development, location, dependency or race? No. It is our common human nature. Otherwise you move into elitism and that is how we end up with genocides.

“Comparing my position to what was done to black people is absurd, since my position is based on a level of human development and has nothing to do with any trivial quality such as skin color. My position has to do with embryos, not adults.”

It might as well be skin color because YOU have determined that those less developed humans are worthless and can be killed. The same reasoning applies to yours.

I believe that ALL humans have intrinsic value, no matter the location, the size, their dependency or their development.

“And that's your subjective standard.”

Again, it’s a universal moral law. We don’t kill toddlers because of your reasons so why would you apply it to the unborn? Only by begging the question regarding their humanity. You are assuming that they are not human and that must be established first. If they are then none of your justifications work. Science has established the humanity of the unborn long ago.

I already responded to that, Maybe the PTSD from your truck driving job keeps you from seeing it. Selective sight, Just like your hearing, Now deflect like you always do

Hey, chump, where are you?

Ignoring you, Like your family, Neighbors, And everyone else unfortunate to have met you. I Don't need Imgflip for people to know I'm alive, Imgflip is the only way you let people know you haven't keeled over, Outraged over a Meme.I haven't thought about you at all, You can't stop thinking about me... ROFL

I thought you killed yourself over your lonely holida, sorry, Holy Days.

Gosh, you must've been busy with the wife who dumped you and that grandkids you don't get to see.

You're right abortion isn't execution, Execution is when a person commits a crime, Stands trial, Is convicted of their crime and sentenced to death.

Abortion is the killing of an innocent baby, Who's only crime was being conceived by 2 libtards who didn't have enough intelligence to know or care that unprotected sex leads to pregnancy.

That's your feeble argument, An embryo isn't a baby? When in your damaged brain is a baby considered a baby? When it moves out of it's parents basement? Birth control isn't 100% effective, So why bother, You're a libtard, Abortion is the perfect method of birth control, 100% effective.

I'll word this so even your damaged brain can understand it.
If a white privileged, conservative, gun toting, misogynistic male kills a pregnant white oppressed pink haired feminist... How many murders is he tried for?
But..but..but It's just an embryo. You're disgusting Octavia, It explains why you're all alone and why you're always on this site making a fool of yourself. Anything to fill the emptiness of your life. I'll bet you wish your parents aborted you.

According to libtards like you a embryo doesn't become a baby until it becomes inconvenient.
"Birth control isn't 100% effective, So why bother" Because it works the vast majority of the time when used properly. But you're a libtard, So you don't bother, Abortion is your preferred method of birth control, Just abort the baby, Call it anything but a baby to avoid responsibility, You're the victim, Not the embryo.

So a pregnant feminist gets murdered and is tried for 2 murderers. There's the libtarded hypocrisy you're known for, Unless you're blaming stupid red state laws, After all it's just an embryo not a baby AmiRight.

You are disgusting, You have no common sense, You argue just to argue, Your morals and your values are backwards and you twist everything in your damaged brain to justify the way you think.

I'd have to care about you enough to like you, It's the same with hate, You're meaningless to me.

Making a fool of yourself is better than heroin, At least some heroin addicts admit they have a problem, But you're a libtard, It's everyone else's problem, You're on every Meme whining, And you don't see the problem.
You're parents didn't abort you,. You spend your the majority of your time on this site arguing about everything. That's not living, But you're a libtard, Misery is all you know. It's why you're alone.

Are you?

You and Chosie are much alike, same repetitious reactionary pre-fabricted bs.