Maybe criminals don't abide by the laws.

While correlation dioesn't prove causality, chronology is a strong evidence. Crime and poverty regularly follow democrat leadership.

Criminals would still by guns illegally .

because so many shootings in uk and china?!
and i was questioning his implication that gun laws cause crime.

Gun laws do not cause crimes, they just allow criminals to get away with more.

For instance, when the UK outlawed most guns, the number of house break-ins while people were at home increased.

Criminals are basically cowards. Knowing someone is defenseless just emboldens criminals.

Essentially they do, in the same way prohibition caused crime. By making things illegal when they weren't before, the people doing those things before they were illegal are suddenly committing crimes now.

Plus when you make something material illegal, you create a black market around it, thus creating even more crime by /willful/ criminals.

These are the UK's violent crime rates, so anything past 1997 is after the gun laws got pasted. With Canada automatic weapons are banned, yet most mass shooting are with pistols.

Violent crimes dont have to be shootings ?!

But guns can be a good measure to stop it.

roughly 50 to 60 gun deaths a year in England and Wales, which have a population of 56 million. Compare that to the US, a country about six times as large that has more than 160 times as many gun-related homicides.

Well in the US guns are used for protection up to between 5000,00 to 3000,000 times a year https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/04/30/that-time-the-cdc-asked-about-defensive-gun-uses/#235bd113299a . In the UK you would have to also take into account the number of knife and acid attacks in last few years.

*300,000,000

https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl

I'm talking about the recent trend in the UK, so a higher crime rate of knife attacks wouldn't effect the previous CDC gun statistics, nor does it bring up how most criminals with knifes would be smart enough not to attack a guy with a gun.

It is a different dynamic. In America, criminals and Good Samaritans have guns. In the U.K, it is knifes. Knifes are less deadly.
Exactly criminals with knifes wont attack those with guns. But still we have more gun crime per person.

And more criminals do to the difference in population, so it's not fair to say that America has a higher amount of any type of crime, nor is it fair to exclude the previous CDC gun fact.

More gun crime PER PERSON. That takes into account the number of people. And we wouldnt need Good Samaritans would guns if criminals had knifes. RN, criminals and Good Samaritans have guns. If they BOTH had knifes, it would be safer.

"More gun crime PER PERSON" The gun crime in America is mainly do to the gun culture in the US, so it's not fair to compare to a nation without one. "And we wouldnt need Good Samaritans would guns if criminals had knifes. RN, criminals and Good Samaritans have guns. If they BOTH had knifes, it would be safer" If only people had knifes the most dangerous things by the standards of defense would be a knife, so at that point you would just have mass knife crime. You could also by a sword and be more dangerous than a guy with a knife.

*Buy

Mass knife crime is better than mass gun crime?!?!?!?!??!

"*facepalm*
are you saying guns are more dangerous than knifes?
That simply isn't true. I hope you can accept that" I'm saying that if a society only has knifes for self defense it will make knifes just as dangerous as guns by the standard of the time because that's how technological advancements work. Now you could say that only cops could have guns yet, that would ignore the entire point of the 2nd Amendment.

sorry. thats wrong

"Mass knife crime is better than mass gun crime?!?!?!?!??!" If nobody has a superior weapon (a gun) to protect themselves yet, criminals would still have the same intentions for crime so, it would be at the exact same rate.

No, if you get stabbed, you are less likely to die than getting shot

"No, if you get stabbed, you are less likely to die than getting shot" It depends on where you shoot the person.

*facepalm*
are you saying guns are more dangerous than knifes?
That simply isn't true. I hope you can accept that

"I said it a million times. Knifes as a weapon are less dangerous. You don't agree. I guess that's that." And I told you exactly why not.

"Sorry that's wrong" How so?

I said it a million times. Knifes as a weapon are less dangerous. You don't agree. I guess that's that.

Yes, if you disarm the population they wont shoot each other.

Instead they will stab and throw acid at each other.

Criminals always find a way to hurt other people, guns aren't required. Criminals that know they wont get shot are also much more likely to screw with other people.

Less deaths, and good Samaritans can use more knifes as well. If criminals know they could be cut, it would be the same dynamic, with less deadly weapons.
https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl

There are no winners in knife fights. Guns are a lot cleaner and a good samaritan can stop the bad guy without taking any damage themselves.

So you are arguing that knife fights are more dangerous than gun fights?! Retard.

In a gun fight the first shot can decide the outcome. In a knife fight both people usually end up dying or going to the hospital. Between knives and guns, I'd rather be in a shootout than a knife fight.

Except London surpassed New York in homicides, thanks to knife murders, so now the UK is working on regulating knives.

For two months. Overall it is usually lower. Only two months in recent history.

Maybe, but the fact is it happened.

No, but Stabbings and crimes with other weapons have gone up massively

not as bad as guns

Your right, the crime rate with Blunt/Sharp objects is much higher than with firearms

Amazing.

Octavia, really blue controlled areas have more crime. It is my theory however, that the Democratic political are voted in because of the poverty and crime not that they cause it.

Octavia. Can you make a liberal meme stream?