Jesus on the cross

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23 ups, 1y,
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He was the Jehovah of heaven. He condescended to be born into mortality, experiencing the hardships that come with it -- hunger, thirst, tiredness, physical pain, etc. He was always serving other people, and organizing His church and patiently teaching His apostles. Despite all the opposition from the Pharisees and lawyers, He never once lost His temper.

That Thursday night in Gethsemane, Jesus undertook the infinite Atonement to save mankind. Our little brains cannot comprehend how He descended into the depths of Adam's Fall with each of us, vicariously suffering our diseases, disorders, temptations, heartbreaks, and other hardships, that He may know according to the flesh how to comfort and strengthen us (Alma 7:9-14). And He took the punishment for our sins, paying our debt to eternity's justice. The physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual agony was far greater than any other person could ever endure.

After the literal Hell in Gethsemane, Jesus allowed a mob to arrest Him on trumped up charges. For hours, He endured the false accusations, the spits, and the slaps of the Jewish leaders, never retaliating. He had the power to end it at any time, but He didn't. He also let the Romans scourge Him with a whip that had sharp bits of bone and metal in it. They also mocked Him by placing a crown of thorns on His head. And He was presented in this humiliating condition to the masses. Condemned to death, He had to carry His own cross up the hill Golgotha (aka Calvary). He was offered an anesthetic to dull the pain, but He refused.

Jesus was martyred in the prime of His life--at most, He was 34 years old. And His death came by crucifixion--one of the worst ways for a person to go. The Romans took His clothes for themselves. They drove metal spikes through His palms, wrists, and feet, nailing Him to the cross. He hung there for hours, exposed to the bright sun. Passersby were free to mock and insult Him. Crucifixion means dizziness, cramp, thirst, starvation, sleep deprivation, traumatic fever, tetanus, mortification of untended wounds, and public humiliation. The unnatural position makes every movement painful. The lacerated veins and crushed tendons throb with agony. The wounds are inflamed by exposure and gradually gangrened. The arteries in the person's head and stomach become swollen, and oppressed with surcharged blood. Jesus spent at least six hours in this condition before finally declaring it was finished.
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13 ups, 1y,
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I'VE HEARD THIS BEDTIME STORY BEFORE | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
Well, the Protestant version, anyway
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2 ups, 1y,
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Why make a fuss over something you don't believe in?
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7 ups, 1y,
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For the same reason Christians make a fuss over Islam. Just because I don't believe it, that doesn't mean I think it's harmless.
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1 up, 1y,
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What reason is there? It's bad enough that some folks beat our heads with religion, but it boggles the mind when others does the same with their atheist views.
I mean, if Christians makes a fuss Islam and some atheists does the same with ALL religions, then what's the difference?
How can you so sure you're not turning into someone you're opposing to?
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2 ups, 1y,
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SHHHH. THIS IS THE PART WHERE THE MEMERS TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHY PEOPLE FUSS OVER EACHOTHER'S WORTHLESS OPINIONS. | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
Can't wait to see how this ends...
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2 ups, 1y,
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1 up, 1y,
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What reason is there to be so absurdly defensive about Christianity, against someone who literally just posted a meme for the purpose of giggles?
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1 up, 1y
Attacking the Bible and mocking Jesus is considered to be work of art. Mocking other religions is considered to be hateful.

If anyone questions or even challenges someone's belief, it's deem offensive. The funny thing is that some folks, they don't need religion to be defending their beliefs they're being questioned.
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1 up, 1y,
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It probably has something to do with the fact that more people have been murdered in the name of a god or religion but hey what do I know? I’m just an atheist.
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0 ups, 1y,
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Attacking someone for the sake of religion is wrong but it's okay for an unbeliever to snatch away someone's faith.

Ok then
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0 ups, 1y
im not snatching away anyone's faith. you got to take our perspective into account: if someone told you they saw bigfoot riding a UFO and they believe it so much that they start a movement you are going to laugh at it and challange it.

if someone tells me that they believe in a magical man in the sky and despite him being the most powerful person in the universe, the only way he can communicate to us is with a bible and theres like over 100 translations that contradict each other, im gonna laugh at it and challange that belief
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1 up, 1y
It's a back-and-forth. They present their arguments, I present my counter-arguments.

They try to convince me I am wrong because they believe I am wrong. I try to convince them they are wrong because I believe they are wrong.
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3 ups, 1y
Baahahaha another mic drops! Great response!
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Lol
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3 ups, 1y,
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It's in Another Testament of Jesus Christ.
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2 ups, 1y,
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There is no other testament. There is the Bible, which is the Word of God, and there are just books. It contains the beginning and the end. Jesus never told us to expect another testament. He did say that some would try to deceive with false doctrines though...
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Hate to break it to you, but Jesus never got to decide which Testament were to be included in the Bible or not, because the Bible was put together hundreds of years after his death...
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0 ups, 1y
Well, of course. They weren’t certain that he was really the messiah until after he died, rose again, an appeared before them. About thirty years after that the first Gospel writings appear.
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The Bible is a library of books. And it's just a salvaging of what survived the millenniums. Many other books were lost.

The Bible actually does tell people to expect Another Testament. Piece together the clues in Genesis 49:22-26 and John 10:14-16 (Joseph's posterity in the Americas); Revelation 14:6 (the angel Moroni); Psalm 85:11 (Moroni's book); Isaiah 29 (occurred during the translation process); and Ezekiel 37:15-20 (two books of testimony from two separate nations).
And read them in that order. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That means His modus operandi never changes. He always kept His people updated with new revelations. The Bible alone failed to stop apostates from twisting it a thousand different directions. So God sent forth Another Testament to clarify doctrines.
Yes, beware of false prophets and evil trees. But don't forget that there are still genuine prophets and good trees too. You can discern them by examining the fruits of their labors. Another Testament of Jesus Christ is good fruit, confirming the Bible's truthfulness.

The Bible came from the Jews. But they're not the only remnant of Israel. God created all men, and He remembered those who were in distant lands like the Americas. He revealed His words to them too. And He tells us, "I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever. Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written" (2nd Nephi 29:9-10).
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3 ups, 1y,
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Save the wall of text deflection babble and just say it:

The

Book

of

Mormon.

Nothing to be ashamed of.
Or is it?
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0 ups, 1y,
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No, nothing to be ashamed of. But in our 21st century Western thinking, we tend to title books by topic instead of by author or compiler. So in terms of topic, Another Testament of Jesus Christ is the more accurate title.
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No, it's not.

Deceit. Sounds like the work of...
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It's hardly deceit. "Another Testament of Jesus Christ" IS the official subtitle. The instant you Google "Another Testament," it'll bring up Book of Mormon. I just like to introduce the book by emphasizing its topic rather than its compiler. Is it deceit for modern historians to title their books by topic?
1 up, 1y
So you conceal the title and expect others to Google to find it?

The compiler, Joseph Smith, of which you said below, "Joseph ended his life by martyrdom"? How many times did he run to another State before he finally had no escape from a mob and thus took martyrdom on the chin?

- and wherever else they whalloped him?

His whole life was based on deciet.

And worse.
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1 up, 1y,
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One question for you then: Is Jesus Christ God almighty in the flesh?
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He is the Lord Jehovah, or Yahveh, meaning "the Eternal, Self-Existent One." He is the Great I AM. By Him, and through Him, and of Him, the planets were and are created. He is the one true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It was He who rained fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, and who delivered Israel out of Egypt. He is full of grace and truth, mercy and justice. He is Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God!
He condescended to be born into mortality, that He may save His people from Adam's Fall. As commanded, Mary and Joseph named the baby Yehoshua, which means "Jehovah is the helpful Savior." When this name is shortened, and goes through Greek and Latin translations, it becomes "Jesus." He lived up to His title of Immanuel--a God walking among men. He was the Messiah, or the Christ--the "Anointed One" of Israel. And it took the sacrifice of a God to work the infinite Atonement. On the first Easter Sunday, Jesus took up His body again and permanently conquered the grave. He is the first of all men to be resurrected to immortality--His body and spirit never to be parted again.

Jesus was sent to do not His own will, but the will of His Father, Eloheim. Jesus has always ruled the universe as regent King, from the right hand of His Father (Acts 7:55). Through divine investiture, He represents the Father to us. Jesus had told the Israelites, "I am the Lord thy God...Thou shalt have no other gods." In the New Testament, He told the Jews, "I am THE way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by me." He prayed that His apostles would be united as one, just as He and His Father and the Holy Ghost were united as one.
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1 up, 1y,
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So that is a yes?
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After the Great Apostasy of 100 A.D., the priesthood authority was lost and Christianity became flawed. So yes, a Restoration was needed.
The Book of Revelation is pretty supportive of the doctrine that Christ's grace enables people to progress to godhood. It logically follows that offspring grow to become like their parents (Acts 17:28-31).
The gold plates ARE real. I have read Another Testament many times, and I know for a surety it is the word of God.
I hope you one day humble yourself, forsake your Pharisee-like attitude, and open your mind and heart to examining the fruits of the restored Church.
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See, that’s the problem. In saying that your “restored” church is the only true Christianity, you are saying that everyone that gets saved outside of the Mormon religion is not truly saved. That all the people tuning to Christ all over the world with the Bible and Gospel alone are not really saved. You are pointing people to the works and teachings of a man, and not to Christ alone, the only one who saves. It’s sad, really, that when a Mormon or a JW comes to someone’s door, they are not trying to get that person to give their heart to Jesus, and follow him alone. They are simply trying to get them to follow the teachings of men first, and then Jesus later. So that when you leave that person’s house, you may have left them with some literature. You may have even got them to agree to come to your church. But you didn’t ask them if they would like to surrender their life to Jesus Christ. Right then. And they would be saved from outer darkness. No, you don’t even ask them if they would like you to pray for them. For healing. For guidance. No, you leave them with nothing but a piece of paper and an empty hope from a false teacher. Having failed in the great commission. Jesus calls us all to save souls from the pits of hell. And sir, you are not doing that. I’m sorry if this sounds harsh. But the time is short, and if you truly believe in Jesus Christ, and that He alone can save, then that is the FIRST thing you should be telling people when you go to their door, or meet them on the street. I really pray that you are hearing what I am saying to you. I am no Pharisee. I’m a sinner like you. Saved by the grace of Jesus Christ. And there are sinners out there dying every day and going to hell, because no one cared enough to present them with the Gospel, that they might repent and believe. That is what is important. Not the teachings of a certain little sect of Christianity.
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Memedave, in 1820, Joseph Smith went into the woods alone to pray. The Father and the Son appeared to him, and told him that he was to be Their instrument in restoring the New Testament church. For the next 24 years, Joseph received countless revelations. Some were heavenly visions. Some were by the spirit of inspiration. And some were delivered by angelic messengers.

Moroni is the angel holding the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim (Ezekiel 37:15-20), a book containing the fulness of the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ (Revelation 14:6). So yes, it was Moroni who was sent from God's presence to direct Joseph Smith in digging up (Psalm 85:11) a set of gold-colored metal plates engraved with Another Testament of Jesus Christ. These plates are no more ludicrous than Moses receiving stone tablets on Mount Sinai. By the gift and power of God, with the aid of a Urim and Thummim (Exodus 28:30; Leviticus 8:8; Numbers 27:21; Deuteronomy 33:8; 1st Samuel 28:6; 30:7-8; Ezra 2:63; Nehemiah 7:65), the prophet translated the book into English. This book is the stick of Joseph, in the hand of Ephraim, as foretold by Ezekiel, to go hand-in-hand with the stick of Judah (the Bible). The gold plates themselves are now safe with Moroni in Heaven. Revelation 11:9 makes me think the Ark of the Covenant is also now safe in Heaven.

In the Kirtland Temple, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received a very similar visitation to what Peter, James, and John received on the Mount of Transfiguration.

In the Bible, the prophets and apostles received revelations the exact same way that Joseph Smith did. And like these men, Joseph ended his life by martyrdom. His shed blood is a modern ambassador for the religion of Jesus Christ.
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Not buying it. Angels don’t give revelations to add to God’s word. I’m sure you know the scripture about what happens to those who add to God’s word? Mormonism also teaches that men can become Gods themselves, and be given wives and universes to rule in. None of which is scriptural. Throw away the Book of Mormon and start studying the Bible. (The only truths it gets is from there anyway). You will see the difference and where you are being led astray. The Holy Bible is all we need. The Holy Spirit will lead you to all righteousness. (Not the teachings of Joseph Smith). God bless.
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0 ups, 1y
Revelation 14:6 is pretty supportive of angels delivering additional messages from God.
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Mormonism is just a nickname for the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many reverends have responded to it the exact same way that the Pharisees responded to Christianity. They were so wrapped up in their traditional interpretation of the scriptures, that they didn't humble themselves and open their hearts to what God currently had to say, to how HE wanted the scriptures interpreted. As Ephesians 2:20 and Amos 3:7 affirm, the Lord's church has always had prophets to tell us the truth. Prophets who hold the keys of authority.

It's not a coincidence that after the American Revolution, with the Constitutional promise of the First Amendment, that the Second Great Awakening swept the United States. In this environment, Joseph Smith was a humble farmboy seeking answers. He read James 1:5, which inspired him to pray for answers. This invited the start of the Restoration.
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Humans cannot become Gods. There were no golden plates. There is a real place called hell. I pray that you will leave that cult.
0 ups, 1y
To say “restored” implies that it was flawed. Which it never was.
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To be saved, a person must be properly baptized by someone holding the authority (Mark 16:16-18; Hebrews 8-10; Acts 8). And authority comes through the laying of hands upon the head, in a "lineage" or "line of authority" that traces back to Christ. Peter held the keys of priesthood authority in New Testament times. Russell M. Nelson holds them today. If you want to be saved, you have to do things the Lord's way, not your own way.

Jesus said, "Beware the leaven of the Pharisees." A more modern application: "Beware the leaven of so-called Christians who reject the living prophets." There is only one true faith, one absolute truth. One Church of Jesus Christ that has the priesthood authority and fullness of pure doctrine. And all are invited to check it out. You have a chance to look into it, but you're letting tradition hold you back (just like the Jews in New Testament times).

As seen in Isaiah 61:1; 1st Peter 3-4; and 1st Corinthians 15:29, decent people who never had the chance to hear the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in life are now be proselyted to in the spirit world. In temples, we perform vicarious baptism on their behalf, and they choose whether to accept it or not. However, those people who DO have the chance in life, and reject the Gospel because of their stubborn ego, will not be as highly rewarded if they finally accept it in the afterlife.

"Mormonism" is a nickname we prefer be done away. We are the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. To save time, we're often shortened to "LDS."
0 ups, 1y
Jesus said “I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved...”
Jesus’ own words. Notice he did not say “by baptism”. You are calling Jesus a liar. Please, I’m begging you, stop listening to the doctrines of men, and listen to Jesus.
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It is a solid yes!
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Then why would you believe in the teachings of a man who claimed to have a “revelation” from an “angel”? You do realize that’s how the religions of Jehovah Witnesses and Islam started, right?
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Memedave, how many prophets in the Bible received revelations from angels? Joseph Smith was in the same position as the Prophet Moses and the Apostle Paul. In 1820, He saw the Living Christ. Like Paul in Agrippa's court, he knew it, and he could never deny it. Like Moses, he received revelations to govern the Lord's modern church. Like Peter, he was the first senior-most apostle, the Church president who held the keys of authority. Today, Russell M. Nelson is the presiding apostle.
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Memedave, how many prophets in the Bible received revelations from angels? Joseph Smith was in the same position as the the Prophet Moses and the Apostle Paul. In 1820, He saw the Living Christ. Like Paul in Agrippa's court, he knew it, and he could never deny it. Like Moses, he received revelations to govern the Lord's modern church. Like Peter, he was the first senior-most apostle, the Church president who held the keys of authority. Today, Russell M. Nelson is the presiding apostle.
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Memedave, in 1820, Joseph Smith went into the woods alone to pray. The Father and the Son appeared to him, and told him that he was to be Their instrument in restoring the New Testament church. For the next 24 years, Joseph received countless revelations. Some were heavenly visions. Some were by the spirit of inspiration. And some were delivered by angelic messengers.

Moroni is the angel holding the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim (Ezekiel 37:15-20), a book containing the fulness of the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ (Revelation 14:6). So yes, it was Moroni who was sent from God's presence to direct Joseph Smith in digging up (Psalm 85:11) a set of gold-colored metal plates engraved with Another Testament of Jesus Christ. These plates are no more ludicrous than Moses receiving stone tablets on Mount Sinai. By the gift and power of God, with the aid of a Urim and Thummim (Exodus 28:30; Leviticus 8:8; Numbers 27:21; Deuteronomy 33:8; 1st Samuel 28:6; 30:7-8; Ezra 2:63; Nehemiah 7:65), the prophet translated the book into English. This book is the stick of Joseph, in the hand of Ephraim, as foretold by Ezekiel, to go hand-in-hand with the stick of Judah (the Bible). The gold plates themselves are now safe with Moroni in Heaven. Revelation 11:9 makes me think the Ark of the Covenant is also now safe in Heaven.

In the Kirtland Temple, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received a very similar visitation to what Peter, James, and John received on the Mount of Transfiguration.

In the Bible, the prophets and apostles received revelations the exact same way that Joseph Smith did. And like these men, Joseph ended his life by martyrdom. His shed blood is a modern ambassador for the religion of Jesus Christ.
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Moses and Paul were not given revelations by an angel. It was God and Christ. Joseph Smith claimed the Angel Moroni gave him golden tablets (which no one can seem to find), and decifered it for him. Am I correct?
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... according to stories.
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1 up, 1y,
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I never got that. Why do people feel the need to 'improvise' with what they claim to be the truth?

"He was the Jehovah of heaven. He condescended to be born into mortality, experiencing the hardships that come with it -- hunger, thirst, tiredness, physical pain, etc. He was always serving other people, and organizing His church and patiently teaching His apostles."

None of that is in the Bible.

"He never once lost His temper"

Except at the temple steps at hose seeling sacrificial animals, and that gentile he shood away because, you know, Yahweh is for Yehudi and not for those gentiles he did not choose for a reason. They have their own Gods, just like the Judeans and Israelites each had their own SEPARATE God.

It was Romans who arrested, tortured, and interrogated him, not Jews.

Jesus fricken Christ, it's 2018. If in this day and age of literacy and the web, if people can't keep a simple fairytale straight, how is anyone supposed to believe myths made for illiterates by Roman con men a century or more after those who supposedly wrote them died?
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those* selling* shooed*

Goodness, haha,,,
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You sure have a lot to say about something you don't believe in.
Typical atheist, thinking you understand the Bible better than Christians do.
There is a different between loss of temper and controlled, righteous indignation.
Acts 10 makes it pretty clear that the Gospel is for the Gentiles too.
The Book of Mormon was first published much more recently. You can check it out with an open mind.
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True, that. I do not believe in lies.

And I don't know crap about the Bible, hence why I'm waiting for you or any other of these fakers to QUOTE Scripture instead of propagating profoundly false propaganda.

Acts don't mean crap, unless Jesus is truly such a confused God that he backpedals on what WAS his sole mission ("To reaffirm the Father's Covenant with his people").
Look up the real defintion of "Messiah" to get a clue. Does Jesus remotely resemble any of the real ones? He didn't even do anything basic that a messiah is supposed to.

Book of Mormon, fantasy written in 1830? Even the fake maps don't match one single bit of topography anywhere here or the rest of planet earth. The stories it spews fare no better.

Believer or heretic, can't do both.
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There are many atheists who understand the Bible better than many Christians. That's why they became atheists, because they read it for themselves and found out what it actually said.

I often hear Christians talk about things that they think are in the Bible, which actually aren't.
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After sealing the testimony of His mission with His own blood, Jesus spent almost 40 hours in the spirit world, proclaiming deliverance to those in Paradise, and organizing a missionary program to the millions who weren't in Paradise.

On Sunday morning, Jesus used His power to take up His body again. But He did more than that. He permanently broke the bands of death, conquering the grave itself. He achieved immortality, and made it a guaranteed surety for ALL of us. The physical elements of the body and the spirit elements of the ghost will be inseparably connected, never to part again.

Jesus ascended back to Heaven, leaving His dear family members and close friends to continue their lives on earth.

The 2005 Narnia film has excellent symbolism of Easter. The evil winter queen is symbolic of Satan, sorrow, and death. Aslan represents the Savior. Edmund embodies all penitent souls.
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2 ups, 1y,
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It was a pretty “excruciating” weekend, tho...
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2 ups, 1y
Lulz :)
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2 ups, 1y
I guess that's right, but He also endured a lot of pain.
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1 up, 1y,
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BOOM and Octavia drops the mic! Nice one!
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0 ups, 1y
Thank you! :)
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The romans tried to let Jesus off the hook. They said 'look here Jews, we're going to release Jesus or this known Murder and Rapist, it's up to you.'

Jews said, 'we'll take the rapist and murderer'. Corrupt people don't like it when good people speak out against them.'
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Jesus was arrested, tortured, tried, sentenced, and put to death by Romans.

What you quoted was never stated even in the Bible, and we know how innacurate that tome is anyways.

Gets better though: Supposedly according to an earlier telling, Pilot gave a choice between Y'eshua bar Yosephus or Y'eshau bar Abba. Inspired by the Almighty, bar Yosephus was released. THAT was the miracle.

Another has it the bar Abba was this so-called Christ, and names got mixed up in later centuries.
Yes, Barabbas's first name was, yup, Y'eshau AKA Joshua AKA, Jesus.

Thank the Gods the Romans left out those other Gospels.

Regardless, all three versions are ridiculous. Roman rulers weren't there to kow tow to the will of irate crowds who wanted to kill a man because he wasn't Yahweh. Makes for a good story, but the fact, and I mean, FACT - not myth, as verifiable by actual historical documents and whatever other evidence - is that the Romans never had such a practice, never, ever, anywhere, and not in a restive province let alone for a pesky homeless man who his 12 followers declared king of their wandering clique so insignificant that there was no mention of him or them by the Romans till a century after.
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Maybe dude
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5 ups, 1y,
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He didn't get caught
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7 ups, 1y,
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Don't tell that to the Romans that arrested him.
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He let a Jewish mob arrest Him on trumped up charges. The Jewish leaders then presented Him to the Romans.
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That's so beyond false, you must have busted a gut laughing as you typed it.

The story, as written, was that he was arrested by Roman soldiers for committing treason and sedition according Roman law, tortured by Roman soldiers, tried by a Roman judge, sentenced to death by said Roman judge, nailed to a Roman cross by Roman soldiers, speared through the heart by Roman soldiers who let him suffer longer on the cross, and spat upon through the process. For the next almost four centuries Romans tortured and killed his followers.

But at least they made good food for the Roman lions in Roman arenas.
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Don't call people liars for stating the truth. Reread the Bible's account, and you'll see that the Jews arrested Jesus first. THEN they brought Him to the Roman authorities, claiming He was stirring up sedition. Pilate eventually caved in to pressure and had his soldiers crucify Him.
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1 up, 1y
Got no need to.
Perhaps you should try doing it yourself?

In fact as stated many times above, quote me the Scripture.
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What’s so false about letting yourself get caught? People do it all the time for three hots and a cot...
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And we're supposed to follow this guy who couldn't just un-create his curse upon us nor just go to a locksmith to make a key to the kingdom his zombie self told his rat bastard 12 followers who cut and ran on him he'd make within their lifetimes?
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That meme comment is awesome :)
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Wish I could take the credit, but it was derived from these.

I would have posted the one on the left, but then I wanted stuff about the cross in, so I retrofitted it.

Aaaaaaaaand I forgot to point out when I posted it that I basically paraphrased it,,,
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Touche’
5 ups, 1y
Atheism says nothing about any of that. Atheism is a position on the existence of a god or gods. Nothing more, nothing less.
4 ups, 1y
Touche’ indeed.
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How come there is no reply option to your last comment? Are there only a certain number of comments allowed, and then they run out? How does that work? Btw, I could argue the existence of God all night... ; )
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Yeah, once you get down to that comment with the red border, you can't reply any more. You have to go back and reply to a previous one.

So could I :)
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Yup. Sometimes things that sound truly crazy are the truth. Like the fact that we’re hurling through an immense vacuum, thousands of miles an hour, all the while spinning thousands of miles an hour around a giant burning ball of gas. An aborigine would think it’s crazy. And try to “prove” it to him...
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There is a slight difference between what is observable and confirmable and fairytales written by two tiny nations whose two Gods allowed to disappear thousands of years ago.
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No, I’ll let you tell Him... ; )
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Not everything is observable. Only God can confirm Himself to a person. And He does. You just have to let Him.
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Tell him I said hello.

And tell him to get his ass down here, he's been MIA for near 2000 years now, I'm sure there's some smoting he can catch up on.
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Jesus didn't pray to Himself. He prayed to His Father.
If you would stop insulting things you clearly don't understand, that would be great.
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If Jesus is Yahweh - his own self - he prayed to himself when he prayed to himself.

If this is too difficult for you to comprehend, then we do have something in common, because neither do I.
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Ahura Mazda is a divine being in Zoroastrianism, a totally different religion. The Hebrew god (who later became Yahweh) was most likely derived/copied/stolen from the Canaanite god El

Judaism has its origins in Hebrew mythology, and Hebrew mythology got a lot of its ideas and concepts from surrounding mythologies, which was par for the course at that time.
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Zoroastrianism was the first monotheistic religion, and the religion of Iran, who liberated the Jews from Mesopotamia. In fact, their king, Cyrus the Great, was the first Messiah (and the only Gentile one) recognized by the Jews. None of this magic I'll-be-back-one-day-to-do-what-I-haven't-yet nonsense. A Messiah is a leader, a king, who liberates the Jewish people from their enemies and ushers in a period of peace and prosperity, period. When he dies like any man, he dies.

The Hebrews had two Gods, Yahweh for the Judeans, and Elohim for the Israelites. The notion of one God according to the Bible is a false one (as stated in the first commandment "Thou shalt worship no OTHER God before me", or the "Created in our image" line in Genesis - that story and more derived form the Sumerians). Yahweh was never the only God, he was merely the only God for the Judeans. A tribal God, not universal.
Under Persian rule, the Zoroastrian concept of one diety entered Judea.

There were other influences also - Apocalyptic themes were popular back in Jesus's day. The Hebrews did not believe in an afterlife, so this final battle and the Kindgom of Heaven and all that was a Zoroastrian preoccupation. In fact, Paradise - the word and concept - comes from the Iranian, Pairadaeza.
Magi is a Zoroastrian priest. Everything east of Judea to the Indus Valley was Aran/Iran.

The Cult of Mithra was a Zoroastrian sect also followed in Rome 2000 years ago, a historical fact - unlike the murky but-sorta-isms of early Christianity. Christianity has more in common with Mithraism than Judaism. Jesus, while derived from a whole bunch of others, is basically Mithra retitled.
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I believe the name Jesus comes from yeshua/Joshua, not Zeus, but I more or less agree with the rest of what you said.

And don't forget that Zoroastrianism has a belief in a coming world savior (called the saoshyant) that would be born of a virgin. That's one of the obvious things Christianity didn't make up on its own.

As far as where Jesus came from if he didn't exist, I compare it to Robin Hood. He was probably based on a real person or persons, but he wasn't exactly as described in the Bible: an historical core with a hell of a lot of legend and mythology added on.
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There's this whole thing on the Jesus/Jesu/Zeus thing, but I'm not up on the details.

In terms of Biblical/historical Jesus, you can see how 'believers' reinterpret Scripture, here, imagine how folks did it back in those days were it wasn't even documented.

Oh, I forget to say when you said about Yawheh and EL, it was more that they got the concept of one God from Zoroastrian, but the persona of the God itself was closer to home, as you pointed out. Lotsa Sumerian, etc, in there too,,,
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Just be careful when comparing Jesus to other similar beings/deities, because sometimes those similarities can be tenuous, and then exaggerated (either deliberately or unintentionally).

I definitely agree that a straightforward reading of the Bible makes it clear that the Hebrews were not monotheistic (at first, anyway). They believed that other gods existed, they just believed that their god was the supreme one, above all the others.
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To be clear, I don't mean exactly like.
Shiite Islam is Islam retroffited to a Zoroastrianism, and both are hardly identical to Christianity,,,
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If Jesus did not exist, the story must have originated somehow. The similarities to others is not merely coincidental, and the fact that Mithra was being worshipped in Rome itself when Jesus was 'born' draws a more direct connection than, say, to Krishna in India.

The Pope's tiera is Zoroastrian, the way Christians pray is Zoroastrian, burning incense is Zorastrian, their type of God as good is Zoroastrian, their type of devil as one opposing good is based on Angra Mainyu - Zoroastrian, the eternal battle between these good and evil forces is Zoroastrian, this culminating in the Apocalypse is Zoroastrian, Paradise is Zoroastrian.
There are temples for Mithra in Rome, frescos complete with 12 Attendents depicted. The symbol of Ahura Mazda is fire, in fact, that is his embodiment. He is the eternal flame (want to see a living God? There's a coal seam that has been burning in Armenia for millenia. It is believed by Zoroastrians that that IS Ahura Mazda). The Torah condemns the use of candles in worship.

Christianity is a big divergence from Judaism, and Jesus does not exist in their belief and history. He didn't appear out of nowhere, his roots in the world from which he sprung are known, despite two thousand years of being intentionally obscured.

There are other influences of course. The name Jesus itself is Not from Joshua/Y'eshua, but Ieusus/Zeus.
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Jesus is indeed Yahveh, or Jehovah. And His Father is Eloheim.
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You contradict yourself yet again.

Elohim is the God of the Israelites.

Ahura Mazda is their father, or in a sense, creator - at least his followers were.

Still waiting on the Scripture you swear to but cannot provide because it doesn't exist.
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"In terms of Biblical/historical Jesus, you can see how 'believers' reinterpret Scripture, here, imagine how folks did it back in those days were it wasn't even documented."

That's a good point. All of the New Testament (and Old Testament) stories were passed around orally before they were written down. Who knows how many times the story changed during that process?
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Lmao
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5 ups, 1y
who didn't get *killed by the Romans
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I mean for real lol
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