no matter the origin - it's true !

What NK gave: nothing
What Trump gave: fealty, compliments, groveling, a surprise pledge not to practice defense with South Korea
Result: Trump is a master showman and has always been a terrible negotiator

Worse than Bill Clinton who gave the NK's billions of dollars and had zero to show for it? Wait, I'm sure a few missiles were built using that money, so there's that.

Your whole reply is a lying blast of pure ignorance. Keep vomiting liberal propaganda. Your opinion isn't even yours.

Replace Trump with Obama on this situation and how would you be reacting?

Here ya go! Something like this would happen:

Lol that's funny.
This came up on my feed today.
More ppl around the world love trump then the media leads on.

lol, A world leader with stones, who'd a thunkit

It's amazing what the left comes up with in the derangment period.

Weeeeeeeeee, you foundeded it, you foundeded that one guy over nowhere there that likes Trump!

Fake news. Propaganda.
Why would we leave when Kim hasn't proven anything yet?
Are you daft? Lol

You should get one of those apps so you can read Trump's Tweeterz.

UPVOTE FOR THE WORD "Daft"!!!

Exactly. What do these libtards need before they understand that Trump is a great president? This is one of the biggest steps towards world peace the world has had in a century and all the media can do is focus on any tiny criticism they can find. It's pathetic and anyone with a criticism is pathetic too.

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the claim was denuclearization.
achieved.

Yep, exactly!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/13/donald-trump/bill-clinton-north-korea-3-billion-nuclear/

Are you trying to prove me right? Did you even read the article? You're trolling, you have to be.

Food and energy. Bill Clinton payed the NK's bills after they threatened to make more nukes. What a f**king pussy. Other countries agreed to the NK's demands but ended up not following through and left us with the bills and looking like jabronies. This is exactly the kind of stuff that Trump is putting an end to.

You're despicable.

NK went hungry because their former great leader refused to let go of his nukes. He chose nukes over trade. His people suffered for it. NK has been given countless opportunities to be on good terms with the rest of the world but only now are they really considering it. Why?

Getting a new leader is a major part of it. Kim Jong Ill only knew how to deal with the world by making threats. His son, Kim Un, started off by following his fathers example but was shutdown a few months ago. Once he realized his nuclear power wasn't the threat to the world he thought it was he's been forced to reevaluate how he's going to feed his people since threatening for money is no longer a viable option.

Trump has provided him a clear route to provide for his people and has put it plainly that it's only viable once NK denuclearizes. Un is young and far more adaptable than his father. He's taking the only route of survival left to him rather than let them starve so he can feel like he has some sort of control with nuclear weapons.

Trump has been hard with him, but still extremely generous. He says he respects him because he's worth respecting. All of NK's crazy shit has been a result of their leaders doing what they had to do to provide for the citizens.

Yes, Clinton gave the man a fish for nothing in return. Trump is getting ready to teach the man to fish and take his share of the haul. Trump is 10 times the man Clinton ever was.

Time will tell. So far, time has been on Trumps side, but maybe this time it will be different. For everyone's sake, let's hope things do go well and save all that hate that Trump's getting over this for Kim if he screws up on his end.

The only thing worse than a traitor is someone who has no allegiance. They aren't on your team dummy. The US should be screwing them over and stealing their wealth whenever they can get away with it.

Besides, everything was fine with Iran until they screwed it up. Their fault, not the US's.

Not exactly.

NK went hungry because of sanctions going back to the Korean War. The average North Korean is 3" shorter than their South Korean counterpart. This is generations spanning, not a recent phenomenom.

Clinton screwed up, but that's what he gets for being what - a Republican in disguise who had to kow tow to Repub wishes because they 'forced' his hapless self to by Newt's imposing personality *yawn* and because he was a self serving prick who used foreign skirmishes as distraction for his extracurriculer activities.

Sanctions increased over the years, and got really turned up by whom? Yes, the same guy who stopped feeding them, Obama. The US had given them 90% of its food and whatever else. Now China had to pick up the slack and take care of its proxy. Otherwsise business as usual.

The Fart of the Deal 101:

1. Kim is fat, and his people worship him (standing for him as Trump 'jokingly' *wink* stated he wished we would of our Great Leader too), he couldn't give a crap about his starving obedient vassals. The guy killed members of his own immediate family, fer cryin out loud, empathy ain't part of the Dictator Handbook.

2. Kim was never going to nuke the beejeezus out of Guam. It's called bluffing. And he got exactly what he wanted. Melting Guam serves no purpose, and is an expensive waste of nuclear material.

3. What Kim got with nukes is clout. Rogue countries like NK, Iran, Pakistan have sought nukes not to bomb, but to get a seat at the big boys' table, just like Russia and China before them. So far, such has been a resounding success.

4. What Kim got is what no leader of any free country would give him, a meeting gushing with a heaping of mushy cringe, recognition, and validation - at least with one new fanboy.

5. NK is offline. Rumor has it that citizens literally never head of the internet. This is floppy disk city, and all records are old school top secret. Even if he agreed to give up nukes - there is no accord drawn out stipulating this, mind you - and handed over a couple to satisfy the willfully fooled - he will never, ever sever himself from the art of the nuke, a few stashed away with no accessible records along with the tech how-to, not that that's necassary because they already know how.

The notion that Kim Jung-un is going to give away that which made the President of what used to be the leader of the world slobber all over him with the best lipstick money can buy is naive and without foundation.

That last part is probably right. He's probably going to hide as many nukes as he can get away with. He might not even be told to get rid of them. The major difference is that he's not going to be allowed to develop the delivery systems. The world just wants to keep NK from being dangerous and Trump looks as though he's going to accomplish it.

All of it is right.
I have no time for nonsense, serves no purpose, I'm not here to score points for some debate team.

They ALREADY HAVE delivery systems (Iran's Shahab missiles are basically N Korean), just a matter of refining them, which they can do under the guise of non-nukes. NRA'ers aren't the only ones who cry for the right to self defense, and to try to deny any country conventional weapons ain't happening.

Na, I'll give you 3,5 and your conclusion.

Getting from A to B ballistically is one thing. That's easy. The US had it mastered by the 70's.

Getting from A to B in 2018? NK thought they'd be able to hit us with 50 year old technology. Their introduction to the modern world of war was the only thing that sparked these peace talks. Trump knew how to deal with a bully.

Did you know Japan also had an accidental ballistic missile warning only a day or two after the Hawaii one? Funny coincidence.

*grumbles but it's all correct, aargh*

I always wondered how we went from nothing to an actual bomb in a few short years, while these yahoos take decades trying to figure the basics which are already out there. Then after developing them they need to catch up to what we got now. They're not even 2nd rate, so pathetic.

I had forgotten about that with Japan. Interesting...

The difference is Trump is getting results before he does anything. He agreed to stop the war games IF NK follows through with the destruction of the missile testing site. He's also willing to back out of this deal if it doesn't work out in his favor.

You can bet he's going to send Americans over to help build resorts and casinos for the NK's as soon as he's satisfied with the deal. Instead of just handing them money he's going to teach them to generate their own wealth and make sure Americans get their cut.

Except those aren't lies.

"Replace Trump with Obama on this situation and how would you be reacting?"

Obama wouldn't have given the coop away for a photo op handshake and Tweeter bragging points (The Iran Nuclear Agreement was more indicative of Obama's - or any other President's - approach)

"Replace Trump with Obama on this situation and how would you be reacting?"

Good question, how would you be reacting?

Obama was harshly criticized and ridiculed over the suggestion of any meeting or contact with Kim, as well as the regimes of Iran and Cuba.

You sure said it. The way Obama handled Iran is exactly how other presidents handle this sort of thing.

'Here's some money and a completed list of your demands, please don't be mean to us anymore.'

F**k that pussy shit.

If Obama handled NK the way he handled Iran I'd definitely be showing some hate.

You and all the other critics are really living up to the whole "if Trump cured cancer liberals would say he's putting doctors out of work" joke. It's truly pathetic.

For the gazillionth time as you've heard from multiple people here and elsewhere, including, yup, the (still) free press as guaranteed by the FIRST Amendemnt - the one the American Revolution was fought for - the ONLY money IranianS (citizens) recieved was from private bank accounts ILLEGALLY frozen (in violation of international banking laws. You SAVE your money there in good faith) by Carter in 1979.

The sanctions REMAINED in place, baffling everyone that Iran accepted the treaty with them still in place.

Agreed, that meme was pretty lame. However, the 'logic' applies to others, no? If Obama MET with Kim, the harshest dictator (other than his father) ever known, let alone offered him a deal with NO benefits for us, good lawd, that man literally woulda been lynched on the White House lawn.
No? Iran nuclear deal & normalization of relations with Cuba ring that proof pudding bell much? Legit, carefully hammered out and worded, put on paper - not some handshake at private meeting with not even staff present!

Amendment*

PS: And remember, it wasn't just the "the they" right wangawhatever sci fi contigent label our lords stick on our obedient heads, it started with Hillarat and the CNNs MSMs PBSs MSNBCs NPRs and the rest of the 'Marxist' Leftist Che Demz during the debates, and continued for a decade until THIS very day, when the alt rock right whatevthafragtheyare CHEERED the non signing of the treaty last month.
An election and two terms, and suddenly everyoine developed amnesia and turned Obama into the second coming.

Gosh humans - the 'two both opposite polar sidez' are stupid. They can't even remember what they THEMSELVES felt, believed, said if someone higher up doesn't tell their spoon fed pablum filled craniums what it officially was. Bunch of lemmings.

You think in terms of red vs blue too much. Trump may have used the reds to get elected but he's an independent. You should view his administration in terms of how it compares to all other administrations, not clump him in with the other republicans.

You're really not paying attention to what I'm saying, and personally I thought you and I were kinda past the flash can rhetoric bs.

"Grind
You think in terms of red vs blue too much. Trump may have used the reds to get elected but he's an independent. You should view his administration in terms of how it compares to all other administrations, not clump him in with the other republicans."

Please re-read until you can decipher this:

"jack-henoff

PS: And remember, it wasn't just the "the they" right wangawhatever sci fi contigent label our lords stick on our obedient heads, it started with Hillarat and the CNNs MSMs PBSs MSNBCs NPRs and the rest of the 'Marxist' Leftist Che Demz during the debates, and continued for a decade until THIS very day, when the alt rock right whatevthafragtheyare CHEERED the non signing of the treaty last month.
An election and two terms, and suddenly everyoine developed amnesia and turned Obama into the second coming.

Gosh humans - the 'two both opposite polar sidez' are stupid. They can't even remember what they THEMSELVES felt, believed, said if someone higher up doesn't tell their spoon fed pablum filled craniums what it officially was. Bunch of lemmings."

I was MOCKING this idiotic red/blue cheerleading squad stupidity, if that wasn't TOO overtly apparrent too much.

That was in response to YOU stating before:

"You and all the other critics are really living up to the whole "if Trump cured cancer liberals would say he's putting doctors out of work" joke. It's truly pathetic"

My mistake, it was hard to read

Yeah, I kinda yap in a discombobulated way a lot, so it's kinda hard to tell which direction I'm going because it's a bunch at once, haha

Iran = f**k um

They shouldn't have received a penny of their money until they started chanting "god bless America" instead of "death to America".

You don't bleed much or you'd understand.

Um, wha?

Never give your enemies anything they can use against you. They aren't our friends and we should have kept the money until they approached the US kindly or preferably with something of value.

It was THEIR money, and freezing private bank accounts like that is illegal.
Don't know everyone who had savings (corporations? Gov't?), but most - if not all - belonged to citizens, and was released to THEM.

A few years prior the World Bank or IMF (I ain't looking it up) was going to give Iran a grant of 5 billion for infrastructure (hospitals & roads) and the US blocked it because there was no assurances the money would not end up in the pockets of the ruling ayatollahs, who have gotten rich while everyone else gets poor there.

The whole point of the sanctions (which are still in place) is to topple those corrupt pious crooks.

2c69cx.jpg (click to show)
the claim was denuclearization.
achieved.