but guns are the problem lol

Yes. I want to argue against the wave of IDIOTS that clamor for more gun control and less freedom when that has nothing to do with it!

The police were called to the residence of Nikolas Cruz DOZENS of times, he was let off the hook for multiple crimes, the neighbors knew something was wrong, his schoolmates knew something was wrong, he was reported to the FBI for comments he made about wanting to be a school shooter and even though his screen name was his real name they couldn't find them!

He had undergone psychiatric evaluations and was deemed to be a low risk to harming himself even though he posted videos of himself cutting his own wrists. He was deemed to be a low risk to harming others, even though he was shooting his air gun at animals and neighbor's livestock and sicking his dog on them. This was mainly because he was living with his mother and was still going to school... needless to say, no one seemed to check up on him when he got KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL and his MOTHER DIED.

No, gun laws are not the answer. This young man's whole life story and actions are like throwing out red flags as if they were confetti. If the current bureaucracy could just hold up its own damn laws and maybe if the many government agencies that were responsible for watching over this and letting it slip by were held accountable, that would be a step in the right direction.

Whelp, all I have to say is if a bunch of middle eastern guys pat top dollar for your flight school so they can practice crashing the plane into buildings all day on the same flight simulators that airline pilots use and nobody realizes, we need to rethink everything about everything and everyone. Our strength doesn’t come from a dramatic overpowering response, it’s supposed to come from not needing to. The same weakness has not gotten any stronger. And building up a massive machine to respond is a disgraceful waste of lives. The problem is, prevention has no economic value.

So flight schools would not be the problem, nor airplanes.

But the people watching over the suspicious students who didn't say anything or see anything wrong would be the problem. As would be the government for not bringing them in after their visas expired.

Yeah. This is true. The way I see it, this stuff is happening because most people will do nothing and pretend like there was no reason to do anything. That makes it easy for the deranged people.

*pay

Yeah, apparently not enough signs for the people which he legally bought the guns from though, I'm not going to argue that school and police incompetence doesn't contribute but you would have to be really f**king scummy and dishonest to suggest that the problem isn't guns.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-shooting-suspect-bought-gun-legally-authorities-say/340606002/

Let's say a gang member mugs somebody and kills them with a knife. Are knives the problem? Ok, what if he just bludgeoned them with a crowbar. Are crowbars the problem? No, it isn't. The rampant crime and gangs themselves would be the problem.

It's incredibly ignorant and offensive for you to be calling me and others "scummy and dishonest" for pointing out blatant fact. If this nutjob wanted to kill a bunch of kids from his high school, one way or another, he would have found a way to do it. It's like playing a pointless game of whack-a-mole. Stricter gun laws are not the answer, because criminals by definition do not obey the law in the first place.

Instead, look at the FBI and their incompetence at finding "Nick Cruz" on the internet. Blame our lax "one more chance, one more chance, one more chance" practices with letting relatively young criminals off the hook and putting NOTHING on their records. Blame his step parents for letting him own the gun in the first place. They knew what kind of kid they had and that he was out of control. They knew he had a key to the safe the gun was in. How are they surprised he got it!?

Blame the FBI when someone close to cruz gave them a tip about his gun and behavior, and how the FBI did nothing. Blame the Department of Children and Services for having done such a terrible job evaluating him in the first place, and not checking back when he got kicked out of school and when his mother died.

But don't blame guns, because you are merely pointing fingers at the symptoms and the tools used to create suffering, but you are not fixing the problem itself. If JUST ONE of the things I mentioned up above would have done their jobs, they would have stopped Cruz. But more gun laws would not have.

Well it certainly is the guns, you wouldn't be looking at 17 dead kids if all he could get was a knife. Same goes for 20 dead kids at Sandy Hook, and the hundreds of other dead kids just going to school over the last decade.

It's the guns stupid, the ones specifically designed to kill and have no other purpose.

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If he wanted to, he could have tried poisoning the school cafeteria. He could have made pipe bombs. If we had super strict gun laws, well, odds are he could have even got multiple guns illegally.

No matter how you slice it, if this demented kid really wanted to kill some other people, he would figure out a way to do it. 500 people in Chicago get shot a year. Why don't you cry me a river about that?

Getting illegal guns is a good one, but is not a justification to keep all guns. In countries where most guns are illegal, it is possible for people to buy guns illegally, however two problems.

1. Where do you find such guns?
2. The price would be prohibitive for most people, because the person selling is doing so illegally with a product that is scarce.

As for Chicago, take the guns out of America and less people get shot. It really is that simple.

Funny you should mention Chicago. Just about the highest rate of gun murder in the nation, the poorest, but ALSO strictest gun laws. So by your argument, how is it possible all these poor people get guns??

Supply and demand. 300 million guns in the US of all types, so cheap. Countries with gun control, very few guns, therefore expensive.

There are also so many guns in America, you can literally break into a lot of people houses or apartments and still their guns.

You do realize that he felt remorse afterwards? I usually take a neutral stance on this argument, however in this case you seem to not understand how guns work. They are made for killing, and ONLY for killing. If we enforced the current gun laws, it would help immensely. Trump goes on about "background checks", but that's not going to stop a mentally insane person who really wants to do bad.

Guns are not only for "killing". They are great for self defense. Funny how people like you never seem to put that together. The best part is that their mere presence is a deterrent for criminals. So not only can you defend yourself, but often times a shot doesn't even need to be fired because the weapon's threat is enough.

This is very similar to how the reasoning for having nuclear weapons works.

self defense = killing

assuming you shoot someone

Read past the first sentence, retard.

I read the entire comment. The original and continuous purpose of a gun or other firearm is to effectively and efficiently kill. I agree that, in today's world, a gun may not have to be fired in order to threaten someone. I haven't called you a retard or any other derogatory term, and wasn't even responding to you. In the US, we have the right to carry weapons, and with that comes responsibility. I have a relatively decent knowledge of guns, but wouldn't spend money on one unless absolutely necessary.