Islamic Women

Agreed

I get it why men like islam. But why do women like it? Why do western women advocate islam and sharia? Why are women drawn to islam?

but it is a very peaceful religion I mean c'mon they're nice people.

All men like it? All women too? Your premise is erroneous.

I never said all men or all women. I was pointing out the reasons why men like islam. And I was questioning why women are drawn to it. Even though not "all women" like islam, deny that there are many western women who defend islam. And deny that there are western women who defends Sharia. That is what I meant, I never said all.

The word would have been an unnecassary redundancy if you did.

Elephants have a vegetarian diet.
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All elephants have a vegetarian diet.

You stated a generalized and monolithic view of an attitude stereotyping gender.
Some people like it, some people don't.

The Archbishop of the Church of England, for example, is not a woman.

I get it why some men like islam. But why do some western women like it? Why do they advocate islam and sharia? Why are these women drawn to islam?

Does that sound better?

I have probably made unnecessary redundancies before. In fact I am sure I have. Since I would have included the word "all" had that been what I was meaning. I know I am not the best in grammar.

Thanks for the lesson :D
I will try not to generalize and be more specific, since I did not realize how that was sounding.

You're still making the same sexist presumptions. "Some" doesn't alter that.
Not all Moslems are sharia proponents either, in fact, only a very few on the fringes are.

Some people are supportive of it because it fits into the party line forced altruism of their liberal agenda. Moslems as a minority subject to prejudice and persecution. Freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of self deterimination, etc, is their right just as anyone else's. So the negative aspects are overlooked in an unintentionaly patronizing way - Moslems are backwards and don't know any better, so we're supposed to respect and allow it - or so the thinking goes.

Add to that white guilt over the horrors of colonialism, and the blinders thicken.

Some people are drawn to fundementalist Islam the way some are drawn to fundamentalist Christianity, or political parties such as Trump's Republican base.
Clearly outlined rules, our good vs their bad. Cut and dry, no thinking required nor desired.
So anyone from minority prisoners born to broken homes in the ghetto to the daughters of single mothers in the UK looking for a foundation, structure, guidance, something to belong to, purpse, and a straightforward moral code are attracted to Islam and convert.

The koran isn't like the Bible. No legendary battles, parables, psalms. It's one long lecture: Don't do this, don't do that, and when you must do this, do it precisely this way. To many people, that offers the structure and core their life is lacking in. For others, it's a horror show.

I don't understand how I am making sexist presumptions. There are men and women who defends islam and thinks there is nothing wrong with islam. This is fact. It is not presumptions. I have had discussions, online and face to face, with people who defend islam and thinks there is nothing wrong with it. I know a man who was pretty much shunned by all his fellow church members because he said he believes muslims should not be allowed in this country. I can show you videos where a muslim woman snaps at someone for ridiculing sharia. A lot of muslims do support sharia. These are not presumptions, these are facts. I understand how my first comment could have been misleading but I fail to see how I am making any presumptions.

In any case I was meaning it as more of a rhetorical question. I find it down right absurd the way some people are protesting Trump. Like the Women's march for example. They are marching against Trump because among other reasons they believe he is bad news for women. They believe he will take their rights away and mistreat them. Yet that same group also had several muslims there and the women said they stand with islam. I guess that should be no surprise when one of the Women's March organizers, Linda Sarsour, called opposition to Trump a jihad!

And people in the west, the ones who defend islam, are blind to the horrors of what living in a truly Islamic country under sharia law is like. It seems to me there are two versions of islam. There is a very watered down "western islam" and the true no holds barred of the east. In the west muslim women can show their face and dress very relaxed compared to the full coverings of middle eastern muslim women. The members of the Women's march say they care about promoting women's rights. Yet they support the biggest group that oppresses and violates women on a mass scale. Hypocrisy is rampant, knowledge is rare, and anyone who speaks against such things gets labeled all sorts of names.

When people like the ones involved in the Women's march defends islam, they are contradicting everything they are supposed to represent. Because islam does not treat women with respect, under islam women have little to no rights, and she is subject to all sorts of abuse. But still hypocrites say they care about women's rights while they support such an ideology. And as you mentioned, the blinders thickens.

I loathe redundancies. So having to repeat to you what you said only for you to deny it and then to continue it do it still is beyond my liking level.

You made gender based blanket assumptions.

Hypocrisy? Projection much?
Trump IS sharia, at least that's the role conservatives have cast him in. Does the irony that you stand for the same thing as radical islamists not clang loud enough?

Skip this west/eastern Islam hooey.
A Mosque in Munich - buy it, read it. WE created this situation, and we contnue to try to utilize it for our own purposes even tho it hasn't worked since the Nazis first tried to radicalize clerics in a mosque in Munich as a tool to foment Moslem insurrection against the Soviets. That lead to the creation of the party of the Muslim Brotherhood, and turned Wahhabism into a widespread movement. Problem is, they ain't our hounds, and once we're finished using them for a job, they ain't quite ready to stop.
Al Queda, Ronald Reagan, Bin Laden. Connection. Look it up. Oh, and was it 1.5 or 3.5 billion dollars we gave bin Laden to create, train, and grow them?

Some people defend islam and think there is nothing wrong with islam. Despite the atrocities committed in Islamic countries by muslims these people still defend islam. And other people are still drawn to islam despite this.

Is that better? Yes I was typing with men and women. But I was not making assumptions, I was stating facts.
I could say that you made an assumption when you said only a few muslims are in favor of sharia. Linda Sarsour defends sharia, and she is quite an influential figure. If the outspoken higher-ups are not afraid to defend sharia how can one be certain more do not? The assumption is just how many supports it. But the fact remains that people, muslims and non muslims, defends sharia. If nothing else because they fear they will be labeled a bigot for speaking against islam.

No, don't skip the west/east hooey. I hear all this rubbish that islam is peaceful and non violent. And that islam empowers women. Yet the true Islamic countries have another story to tell. So either there are two versions of islam, a watered down version and a hard core one. Or there is only one islam and it is bad. The only reason why muslims in the west are not as bad as the ones in Islamic countries is the obvious, we outnumber them. So far.

A Mosque in Munich sounds like an interesting book. The group it talks about sounds a lot like the original Assassins called Hashashins. The 11th century assassin group founded by Hassan al-Sabbah. While working for themselves, this group also hired out to the highest bidder. "Assassin! The Deadly Art of The Cult of The Assassins" by Dr. Haha Lung is about that group.

If I find that book I will buy it. I do enjoy a good book. But I doubt how we have caused these "muslim insurrections" to want to attack us. I mean islam has been trying to take over the world for centuries. Are you familiar with the Battle for Vienna 1683. The Polish King arrived and with the other allies, crushed the besieging Islamic army of Kara Mustafa. It was September 11 when they arrived. Perhaps there is a connection between that September 11 and the hijackers of 2001. Like they want to pay the west back for their crushing defeat at Vienna.

Defending Islam? Explaining, actually. Only I'm clarifying things that just happen to yet again be making monolithic assumptions, this time about 1/5th of the world's population. Octavia, KenJ, etc, just blindly make excuses for terrorism. I don't. I just tell the roots of it. The truth has nothing to gain from pretending.

You know little of her yourself, yet keep repeating her name. The obvious conclusion is that you got whatever info from a biased source tailored to fit a specific agenda. Linda is not a Middle East name, and she wouldn't have this esteemed positon over there either. Blonde/blue is reference to the white messiah phenomen of the movies. Turns out she's an American of Palestinian parents, speaks for the rights and fair treatment of Moslems in the US, slammed by right wing alt news for her criticism of Israel. She has a poitical cause here, is not a spokesperson there.

I speak of Trump's platform and the demographic that he speaks to. People can "MSM lies" all they want, but unless his Tweets are lies - oh wait, they are.

The Florida shooter IS Christian. Hates Islam, hates Jews.
Most Molsems are Caucasion.
More people have been killed by Christians than any other religion, and not just in the way back when. How may Iraqis alone died because of IRRIGATION pipes because the nation with most technologically advanced military was supposedly too stupid to know what they are?
Jesus preached the Torah. It, or rather, God/Jesus calls for killing in several passages.

Sarcasm is fun.

Semi > fully auto is a mere adjustment away. Just like this kid did.

Has anyone who harps on the 2nd Amendment ever read it, and do they know what a regulated militia means? They have my permission to join one then.

Please read what I said about Sunni Arab terrorists vs Shiite Iranians.

Glenn Beck, huh? The guy who was taking the civil rights movement back, "Because we started it"? I'm trying really hard to stop myself from saying something really snide now...

We're supposed to say Muslim because Arabs don't use the letter "o" and Moslem sorta means something else & negative in their language.
When I as a kid, it was Moslem. I don't speak Arabic. And then, as now, their word for America is also spelled slightly different but I don't see them accomodating us. If saying "Moslem" bugs them, I'll throw them one of Beck's used hankies.

Blanket assumptions about women
Blanket assumptions about men
Blanket assumptions about Moslems
Um, no still? Those assumptions aren't facts, those assumptions are assumptions still.

I neither know nor care who Linda Sarsour is. Appeal to authority...
However, given her first name as well as this position you claim, I suspect she is not Middle Eastern. Lemme guess, a Westener who married one (an Irani?) so now she's the blonde/blue self appointed rep. To title her a higher up is a contradiction of Islam/sharia. So she is irrelevent.

No need to explain the hashish smoking hashashim to me.
The Mosque in Munich immans were not assasins. They were used as propaganda agents to stir up religiosity and nationalism to counter the Soviets.

Xenophobia, unabashed bigotry, a thirst for firm autocractic rule, ultra conservative backwardness, anti liberal, anti progress, no equal rights for women nor homosexuals, a rigid moral code as set by an unquestioned religious text, a rejection of science, a rejection of reason, shouting down any opposition, wanting to kill any in opposition, a brash core that rejects education alledging it is a tool to supplant culture with a leftist agenda, a harkening to a glorified mythologized past golden era ..... - guess who?

The koran's similarity to the Old Testament is not accidental. It was derived from it, and born in the same culture. Christians also supposedly believe in it as well, but have deviated since Saul/Paul stole and corrupted it, setting Christianity on a pagan Roman trajectory.

Have you not heard the news? 17 kids just killed by a Christian in the most violent bloodthirsty place on earth? A whites-only Christian gun worshipping cult that claims we need machine guns to shoot squirrels because the Walmart is fresh out of meat? Do you know how many Iraqis were killed just so that Cheney/Halliburton can make billions of dollars? How many American soldiers died there? Spare me the "the they are evil" bs.

{{Dang, where's Octavia & KenJ? Normally THEY argue this position while Natalie & me rip Islamic apologists to shreds.}}

There are two main branches of Islam, Sunni and Shiite. That Shiite happen to be chiefly Persian is no accident, for it is merely Zoroastrianism in disguise. The Islamic terrorism is committed by Sunnis is no accident either. To lump those two together is like saying Catholics and Protestants are exactly the same.

That's why assumptions and facts are two different things.

{{Dang, where's Octavia & KenJ? Normally THEY argue this position while Natalie & me rip Islamic apologists to shreds.}}

So why are you defending islam now brother? I didn't use a gender neutral word. I said what is happening.

If you usually rip islam to shreds you would have had a field day out of the hypocrisies of the Women's march by women like Linda Sarsour as the head. But you brush it off with geographical and racial assumptions as nothing. Judging by her name, blonde hair and blue eyes. Who is making assumptions now? I don't know what color her hair is but her eyes are dark. Brown or green. Anyways who gives a dusty rats ass about her hair color? Does hair color give greater meaning to what one says?

I could say your paragraph about Trump is assumptions, just because I do not like what it says. I can back up my "assumptions" with evidence for believing the way I do. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you can too.

Now here is another racial assumption. That guy was not a Christian. Just because one is white does not mean they are Christian. And since there is no verse in the Bible where Jesus commands people to kill others, Christianity has nothing to do with this. Your assumptions about Christianity is no different than my assumptions about islam. I know the Bible, some, I know enough to tell you that your accusations against it by connecting this killer to Christians is wrong. Can you do the same for islam?

Are these facts or are you being sarcastic with those two paragraphs to prove to me why facts is important?

A semi-auto and a machine gun is hardly the same thing. Although I would love to have a M249, it looks good and it's performance is quite well from what I hear. Accuracy of a rifle with the fire rate/power of a machine gun :D

Seriously, people don't have the 2nd Amendment to hunt squirrels. Is this some more assumptions that you believe as facts with every gun owner, or are you being sarcastic?

Is it Sunnis or Shiites who want to wage Jihad on the world. I have a book that talks about them but I haven't finished it yet. The book is by Glenn Beck, It is about Islam.

Is there a difference with muslim and Moslem?

holy f**k i am not f**king reading that

"I loathe redundancies. So having to repeat to you what you said only for you to deny it and then to continue it do it still is beyond my liking level."

Is it just because I used the word man and woman? Does using a gender neutral word change facts? I fail to see how it matters when I am stating facts but at least I was trying to correct it for you.

"Trump IS sharia, at least that's the role conservatives have cast him in. Does the irony that you stand for the same thing as radical islamists not clang loud enough?"

How? How is Trump Sharia and how am I standing for the same thing as radical islamists?

I just thought I'd throw this out there lol

I take it Ashley Madison is kinda quiet there.

Yea lol.
You seen he shithole Philadelphia? Ppl are crazy.

What are they doin now? Glad Philly won (tho I'm not into sports cuz I wasn't allowed by pops when I was a kid), but still

Just rioting. Stealing and shit. Lol.
Smh

Idiots. What is this? Europe after a soccer, erm, fotboll game?

Yea lol.
I've been saying for awhile how the needed to update this site.
I'm glad they finally did.

Not to sound unapprEciative, but I don't like how the top looks now.
Plus where did Viral go after 3 days?
And bad enough repositioning caption boxes, but now with them going off the template, I can spend another 20 minutes getting them straight.

Great! Now could you look at the rights of women in the United States back then

u are disrespectful

this is a rascist meme