Gump waiting for peace.

Meanwhile you would twist your other arm off to defend the violent passages in the quran. By the way, since you are intent on speaking up for islam, I challenge you to defend islam and sharia with scriptures from their holy text. So that means scapegoats like "Christianity is just as violent" or "Aggressive western foreign policy" or "dumbass islam is peaceful" doesn't count. That is not an argument and therefore it does nothing except prove that you have no solid defense of islam.

And the scrawny little shit in your picture does not represent Christians. Hellsteeth! HE KILLED A CHURCH FULL OF CHRISTIANS!!!

Is that picture true by the way? I didn't know he burned the American flag.

The Bible is full of nasty passages, I am surprised you don't know that. Maybe you skip those pages

Are we talking Old Testament or New Testament? I will not deny that there are messed up passages in the Old Testament. Most will agree with that. I am talking about the New Testament with Jesus. It is through Jesus that we obtain salvation. And Jesus changed all of the old laws. Punishments like stoning is not done anymore. When the Pharisees had a woman caught in the act of adultery and they wanted to stone her, Jesus said let the one without sin cast the first stone. And then Jesus forgave her. So yes, all the "nasty" things is done away with. There is another verse where Jesus says to love your enemies. (Of course not many does that, myself included.) If you are commanded to love your enemies, who then is left for you to hate?

But what has this got to do with defending Islam??

By the way, why is Christianity the only religion brought up when defending islam's violence? What about the human sacrifices of Pagans back in the day?

Because Christians have a midly violent past. Just a little though. (Now you butt-hurt idiots are going to throw a fit, I'm sorry, it's been a long day)

Mildly*

I am a sinner saved by grace, but I refuse to call myself a Christian. There are many things that I fail at in regards to being Christ-like. Which is what a Christian is supposed to be. The part where it says to love your enemies, do you think I love my enemies? No. (When I say enemies I mean the ones who wants us dead, not the little punk who said something bad to you.) I do not want to falsely represent Christianity by taking the title of Christian so I refuse to call myself one. I am aware of the things I do not live up to.

Like others have said, the more devout a Christian becomes, the more loving and forgiving they become. My dad and I argue, often, about dealing with enemies. For example I am the one who says our enemies should be met with force to prevent them from having their way with everyone in my country. Meanwhile my dad says things like "you are supposed to love your enemies". When I see on the news where some guy hacks up a 20 year old mother and leaves her remains floating down a river to get maggots all in it. I want that guy beaten to a bloody pulp! My dad says "vengeance is mine saith the Lord." I use the line from the Punisher movie and say it's not vengeance it's punishment. He says "whatever you call it, it doesn't matter because you're not supposed to overcome evil with evil". I say does violence have to be evil?! And he says something else to rebuke what I said. And on and on. I can not convince him otherwise. And my sister, she said she would die before she killed another person to save herself or others. That is the mentality of what I call hardcore Christians! I am not like that. You know a little about me by now, you know I am not like that. I have to listen to my family talk like that. And then I hear people who don't know anymore about Christianity than they do islam. But they still spout off "Christianity is just as bad as islam". Old Testament, perhaps, but not where Jesus is concerned.

I have heard others, maybe you once, say that Jesus condoned violence. If that is true do show me. I have tried to find passages where Jesus promoted self defense of oneself or one's country and I could not find squat. There is no verse from Jesus that backs up my attitude towards enemies and protecting my country.

I think it's funny when people go on about how evil Christianity is and then quote the Old Testament. Little do they know they're actually criticizing Judaism! I bet they'd keep their mouths shut if they knew they were spouting off anti Semitic arguments!

Yeah, it's been a while since I've been on. I know I have an old comment of yours I need to reply to. I come on occasionally and upvote memes but I haven't made many memes lately.

Anyways in martial arts do you believe someone can put on a black belt, say that they are a black belt, and truly be a black belt? In my opinion such things alone does not make one a black belt. I was in martial arts some years ago and some kids was given a black belt because they had completed all the other forms. But they did not live up to black belt standards. There was beginner white belts who performed better and worked harder than them. Their form was sloppy, they didn't remember half of it, during workouts they would stop doing the exercise when the instructor wasn't watching. They got the belt because they paid the amount to test. Basically they bought it since it was not earned by performance. They may wear the black belt, they may say they are a black belt, the instructor may have even presented them the belt. But that does not make them a true black belt.

It is like that with Christianity. Jest because every Tom Dick and Harry may call themselves a Christian does not mean they are truly one. The verse from Matthew Ch.7:21-23 comes to mind:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Also Luke 13:24
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

I want to think there are other similar passages but those are all I can think of. Even though many proclaims to be Christians, God's decision may be quite different.

I think the word Christian is a generic word that few know the volume of what it is they are proclaiming to be. So many people call themselves Christians yet when you compare them to how Jesus wants one to behave, they appear lost bigger than a whale. I could write pages listing hypocrisies that I see from so called "Christians". For example, it is quite laughable to see someone who has been divorced 5+ times go on about how sinful it is to be gay.

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The difference is that a devout Christian is peaceful and a devout Muslim is violent.

Those aren't devout Christians. Clearly, they don't love their neighbors, and they don't treat others as they want to be treated, the two most important messages Jesus gave to Christians. They're burning the symbol of Christianity, that's about as Christian as an American burning a US flag.

A devout Muslim, on the other hand, would stone your sister to death for having sex before she was married.

You're trying to say that the KKK are good Christians because they believe they are. You can believe you're 100ft tall but that doesn't make it true.

The kkk do not uphold the most basic of Christian principles and are therefore not Christians. They're just a bunch of whack jobs waving a bible around screaming obscenities and committing violence when they can get away with it. Anybody can wave any religious text around and claim to be affiliated with it, but it doesn't make it true.

Real Christians are few and far between. Your problem is with the organized religions that take advantage of Christs sacrifice for personal gain and justifications. Don't lump all Christians into that category.

The difference between that and Islam is that there is no peaceful Islam. It is a real life religion of evil. I know it's not easy to accept, but it's true.

Resorting to a sentence by sentence tear down? I had a higher opinion of you than that.

It's unfortunate that you feel that way about Christianity. It's not true but it's understandable why you feel that way. The organization of Christianity crumbled for a few hundred years and it's leaders exploited the faithful for their own gains. There aren't many Christian organizations that are truly Christian anymore, but there are a lot of Christian organizations so the number of individuals who are Christian is still fairly high.

Real Christianity is about loving one another and striving to be like Christ, which is another way of saying striving to be the best person you can be. This is done by accepting your own failures and repenting. Repentance is basically learning not to make the same mistakes so that you can be a better person. These two things are the core of Christianity.

There are peaceful Muslims, I know that. The point I made is that the religion teaches violence. Be nice to your Muslim neighbors, convert or exterminate every one else. That is at the core of Islam.

A Muslim that isn't trying to convert you or kill you is doing a poor job at being a Muslim, even if they are the nicest person you know. Islam is BAD. It's not bigotry to say so. The religion commands murder! I've already quoted a passage from the Quran, I promise there are many more just like it. This isn't like Old Testament stuff, its current for them and it's practiced devoutly.

The fact is Muslims that live harmoniously in the US aren't devout Muslims. They're 'meh' Muslims, cultural Muslims but not religious Muslims.

I know it's not easy to accept, but it's true."" Its not true, but the comment and feeling by you does show it is true you are bigot, who does not understand Islam.

Do not feel bad, because if you dont speak Arabic, you can not understand it properly, unlike the Bible, it can not and has not been changed or altered, it can not be put in another language, to truly understand its meaning one must speak and read Arabic. - That is how the Taliban fools you and the kids they train to be bombers, the kids cant read either, so they believe whatever nonsense they are told about Islam, like you.,

That's a ridiculous argument. There's nothing special about the Quran. It can be, and has been, translated many many times and they all say the same thing. Convert or kill.

Look, you don't need to lie to build credibility. You didn't graduate from some Ivy League school. It's apparent because your arguments are illogical. You let emotion do the thinking for you and your arguments reflect it. Enciting visions of poor illiterate kids taken advantage of by the taliban doesn't work on every one, certainly not me.

I suggest you read and refrain from participating because you've only been spreading lies and unnecessary emotion.

It sounds ridiculous to you, because you do not know a damn thing about which you speak. - ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ????

That's a lot of Question Marks

Hahaha O rly?

The KKK is about as "Devout" as Christians get. Deny it all you want, does not make it less true. You know who has killed more Americans in the last 5 years? Christians.

You are clearly misguided and full of prejudice towards Christianity.

There is no denying that people commit horrible atrocities in the name of Christ, but they aren't real Christians. They are very sick people that would use whatever religion was most prominent in their region to justify their actions. At best they could use Old Testament teachings to justify themselves, but that is Judaism, not Christianity.

You should seek out real Christianity if you want to learn about it. You ought to let the Mormans in when they knock on your door. Most people don't agree with their beliefs, but they do an outstanding job at upholding Christian principles.

atrocities in the name of Christ, but they aren't real Christians."""" Substitute the word muslim then too... or does bigotry prevent the ability?

Again... unlike Christianity, violence is totally acceptable in Islam. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. You and I are both what is known as an infidel in the Islamic religion. This means we have no rights and any actions against us are not considered sins, even murder.

A real Christian is nonviolent, a real Muslim is very violent at their own discretion. When you piss off a Christian, they're supposed to forgive. When you piss of a Muslim and you aren't Muslim, watch your back.

In reply to your post beginning with "when you are a Muslim", Demogorgon.

It's good of you to assume the goodness in others, but you are wrong in this case. The way Muslims view and respond to non Muslims is very different than how they treat each other (and not really because different sects are considered non Muslim te each other). Peace in Islam only exists when there is only Islam. In other words, when all else has been eradicated. It's kind of like the peace Nazi Germany was looking for, only even more extreme.

I cannot agree with your statement because it is false. Christianity is very different from the other two of the big three: Islam, and Judaism. Judaism and Islam are kind of similar, which is why so many people compare Old Testament verses to the Quran. The are both very violent religions created to keep very violent people from murdering their neighbors in there sleep.

When you are a Muslim and someone does something bad to you. You forgive. But if they are trying to kill you then you can fight back! What your saying is right but like many people in this world your getting islam wrong. Did you know the word Islam litterly means peace. So why can’t we agree that both Christianity and Islam are kind of the same! Just that one is a little different!

The Muslims who kill In the name of allah or god. They aren’t real Muslims. They are very sick people that would use whatever religion was most prominent in their region to justify their actions. At best they could use Old Testament teachings to justify themselves, but that is not Islam.

You should seek out real Islam if you want to learn about it. You ought to let the muslims in when they knock on your door. Most people don't agree with their beliefs, but they do an outstanding job at upholding Islamic principles.

Nice try
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone."

The Quran likes to tell it's readers to go fight and kill people until they give in and worship only Allah, ie are converted.

So yeh, nice try, but you're too ignorant to put up a real argument. Try not to steal other people's arguments without a good background knowledge of what they're talking about.

Wh here ever u found that is wrong. The Quran tells to use no violence when telling people To come to Islam. It says that if you want to tell people to come tell them peacefully. Unlike Christians who yell there are homos on this camp and u should come over to Christianity.

Octavia, when you quote the Old Testament to try and discuss Christianity you're actually talking about Judaism. Judiasm is pretty violent, that's why Jesus came and tried to make all the Jews into peace loving Christians. Try and use the New Testament when you discuss Christianity.

I couldn't reply below so I'll reply here.

I'm sure they are told to approach potential converts peacefully, Demogorgon. The problem arises when the potential converts refuse to be converted.

"EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!"
-Dalek, Dr who.

I spent many years studying religion at an ivy league school, dont need you to tell me what or how to learn about Christianity, or Islam, or Judaism, or Buddhism, or Taoism, or...

I'm sure your professor at your Ivy League school had no biases. Taoism is a philosophy not a religion, btw.

Deuteronomy is in the Old Testament, which is pretty barbaric. Jesus came and said 'hey guys, let's not do it like that anymore' and the New Testament was born. Christians understand this, the people that don't are whack job bible thumpers and people who have a general understanding of a religion they don't practice.

Jesus and god are two different people. You can stop telling people about Christianity now. You truly and honestly don't know what you're talking about, Octavia. It's become clear to me that what you know about Christianity is what Tv and movies would have you believe.

If you want to learn more I suggest letting the Mormans in when they knock. Be nice to them and maybe after a few days you can start having some pretty deep discussions with them.

Iaonsite, again, you're mistaking people who claim to be associated with a religion with the actual religion. There are no Mormans that are part of their very organized church that have more than one spouse. Joseph Smith had one wife, as does every other married Morman man.

There is a reoccurring theme of ignorance and assumptions going on with Christianities critics on this thread. I suggest you educate yourselves properly before trying to denounce the religion.

Also, referring to someone as an infidel isn't in itself wrong. It's how the infidel is treated. Muslims are commanded to convert non believers. Those that do not convert are to be fought and killed (exterminated).

Christians are essentially commanded to try and convert non believers. The end. You should check out Joseph Smith and see how he converted people to his Christianity. That's a good example of how it's supposed to be done.

I'm sorry but Jesus in the Bible makes it very clear all of the laws of the Bible are to be adhered to. You can't just pick and choose the best bits and leave out the nasty stuff

It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17)

Picking and choosing the best bits is exactly what Jesus did. He revised, deleted, and added to the teachings of the Old Testament. The end result is so different it's considered it's own book now called the New Testament.

The people that said: 'Hey you can't pick and choose what we take from the Bible!' became what we currently know as Jews.

all 3000 of them. FBI stats say there are a whopping 3k-6k KKK and neo nazis in the usa. The Tuskegee institute claims that the clan has killed just under 5000 ppl since its inception in 1865 to date . The victims to date were Mostly Black,Catholics,Jews and Republicans. All though 1 person killed by those idiots is 1 too many, their murders pale in comparison to just gangs alone.

Ad Hominem: Using one's personality in order to devaluate their argument

Which parts of the Bible is that? Is it

You can kill a woman if she seizes a man's private parts without his permission: Deuteronomy 25:11-1: If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

or is it this one?

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

Or maybe it's the one about incest

And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father. [Genesis 19:31-36]

Jesus said stop doing that stuff and the New Testament was born. What you're quoting is the Old Testament. Your arguments are towards Judaism, not Christianity. You're anti-Semitic! Congratulations! You can learn something about yourself every day.

Fortunately for us most of their violence is targeted at their own women or is directed at their neighbors of slightly different opinions in the Middle East. However, there are plenty of innocent people around the world who are dead, dumbass.

Multiple times Every Year Muslims commit mass murder against Americans and Europeans in the name of allah. Some of those victims probably stood up and defended Islam, just like you.

Islam is just getting a bad rep right now because those people at ISIS are making it a bad name. Just like how the Swastika wasn't always bad (it was actually a Buddhist symbol if I'm not mistaken) and was made into a bad *thing* by the Nazis during WW2

Black or White: Saying that there is only two answers, when there are many more.

The point I was making is that in its purest form Christianity is a religion of peace. Islam, in its purest form, is still extremely violent. There is no other way to interpret that, and I'm not calling anyone my enemy.

I know. I'm not attacking your argument. Sorry... but I just wanted to point out a fallacy. And hey, if your opponent says that you're wrong because I pointed out a fallacy, that in itself is a fallacy.
Call me the FALLACY TROLL!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, you obviously ignore the whole history of Christianity!

There have been a lot of unchristian things done in the name of Christ. These acts were not committed by religious Christians, but rather cultural Christians.

The main difference between a religious Christian and a religious Muslim is that the Christian is peaceful while the Muslim is violent.

You should let the Mormans in the next time they knock.