When I Hear Anyone Say"Another Muslim Ignorant Of What The Koran Says"I Think"Another Christian Ignorant Of What The Bibel Says"

I believe you haven't read the bible. It clearly says we are all equal & our weapons are not physical.

Have you read one that wasn't cencored? also, quote from the Koran:"you shall not harm the Innocent" argue against that!

A bible that isn't censored? I'm saying that the bible, particularly the New Testament, very clearly says that we are not to discriminate against anyone & to seek peace even with our enemies.

someone once read Koran-texts like "if your woman is not loyal to you, you shall cut her hand of" out loud and then asked people what they thought: the responces were always something along the lines of "that's disgusting and has nothing to do in our mordern world!". then he revealed that it was actually a Bible... look i'm not questioning that the Bibel says alot of good stuff, but sadly it also includes alot of bad stuff and so does the Koran.

I agree, that is shocking to us. I've read that many times & just figured it was some freaky cultural thing at that time. I just looked up commentaries on both sides & am not fully satisfied with the answers. 1) why does it seem to be the only law about cutting off limbs? 2) why was doing that in defense of her husband considered so evil? Perhaps why (I) don't hear your argument used more often is because the passage does seem so bizarre, especially in context with the word of the New Testament. Throughout the whole bible the overview is that people should be treated fairly, even if they are foreigners, women, poor, etc. Consequences for our actions *and* God's forgiveness are overriding principles in both testaments. Jesus died to free us from 'the curse of the law,' not to impose a harsh caste system. The Old Testament illustrates the futility of trying to live a life free from willful or ignorant mistakes. And I see absolutely no evidence of racism, in fact I'm surprised that color is hardly mentioned, although cultures, tribes, and nationalities are. If you are interested you can always ask questions or read--but people do on all sides tend to get defensive & emotional. I suggest you read the gospel of John first, it's really fairly short. Better than having people on either side interfere by trying to explain it to you first.

Good point. 1.) No, i actually didn't read the Bible so i don't know where all the, as i called it, "crap" is... i guess it's the old testament or it's something that The Church doesn't want you to read (hence my previous statement about cencorship) 2.)I think you missunderstood that: it's not the WIFE cutting HER hand off as self-punishment, it's the HUSBAND doing so, in orderto punish her for cheating. 3.)My point about comparring the bible and koran still stands or do you have a bad thing from the koran that is mentioned nowhere in the bible?

It was probably the civil authorities afterwards. I don't know how often it would have happened. I do not know enough to comment much on the Koran, so I'm not making one of those common knee-jerk responses. I guess if we really care, we'll check them out :) My experience is absolutely no censorship in the U. S. , unless it was in a cult , & we are encouraged to read it for ourselves here. Even the Catholic policy I believe has been changed for decades, although I don't think most nominal Catholics read it much. I like to hear European perspectives, btw, but there's a huge range of opinion. I do know that we have nothing even close to Sharia law!!!

1.nice, that is a pretty responce (i recently had a debate with someone who can't tell the difference between a debate and a fight)2.now that i think about it, i guess the bible never directly says anything immoral, but just has some texts that might be easy to missinterpred and that someone who already is xenophobic could use to justify pretty much anything (hence the immoral stuff that christians did throughout history) but that would sound kinda familliar, wouldn't it? 3. Law isn't exactly my specialty, especially not Sharia, so THAT i can't say anything about.

*pretty good responce

Yeah, I like your responses & I think you're an independent thinker. Since I am too, I'm not like how the media portrays American Christians, but they get a lot wrong from my actual life experiences on the west coast (yes, California, now). But I do believe the Bible. Most Americans don't know much about Europe, India, etc. I'm way better educated & more curious than most. Politically moderate.

...didn't expect religion and curiosety mix so well (to me it seems like most religios people are better at accepting what they already have than learning something new, though both might be usefull skills) but nice to see that we have something in common.

You are dumb. You can't spell Bible

I'm german, thats how you spell Bible/Bibel in german. I'm really (not) sorry if my minor mistake offended you Mr. Grammar_Nazi Sir...